I have some thoughts regarding this, believe it or not... very common practice, which is \"private sharing outside teams and late merging\".
\n\nWhile is true that at the end they will not have more submissions, it is also true that there is a very specific reason to prefer breaking the rules to later merge and \"comply\" as getting an advantage at first to explore and validate many things at once.
\n\nI saw some weird things going on in this competition, I really don't care about it as I did nothing, and while I do understand that honest mistakes happen, it does not change a thing.
\n\nSo, hopefully, rules would be enforced for the sake of community standards.
", "messages": [ { "id": 269528, "postDate": "2018-01-17T00:49:46.560Z", "content": "I have some thoughts regarding this, believe it or not... very common practice, which is \"private sharing outside teams and late merging\".
\n\nWhile is true that at the end they will not have more submissions, it is also true that there is a very specific reason to prefer breaking the rules to later merge and \"comply\" as getting an advantage at first to explore and validate many things at once.
\n\nI saw some weird things going on in this competition, I really don't care about it as I did nothing, and while I do understand that honest mistakes happen, it does not change a thing.
\n\nSo, hopefully, rules would be enforced for the sake of community standards.
", "rawMarkdown": "I have some thoughts regarding this, believe it or not... very common practice, which is \"private sharing outside teams and late merging\".\n\nWhile is true that at the end they will not have more submissions, it is also true that there is a very specific reason to prefer breaking the rules to later merge and \"comply\" as getting an advantage at first to explore and validate many things at once.\n\nI saw some weird things going on in this competition, I really don't care about it as I did nothing, and while I do understand that honest mistakes happen, it does not change a thing.\n\nSo, hopefully, rules would be enforced for the sake of community standards.", "votes": 8 }, { "id": 269550, "postDate": "2018-01-17T01:31:34.230Z", "content": "Hi NxGTR - We always remove teams when we have evidence of them breaking the rules. It's not a perfect science, though; we do our best to keep on top of things. We do appreciate when our community members point out anomalies (e.g., a brand new user gets into the top 50 less than an hour after creating an account).
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi NxGTR - We always remove teams when we have evidence of them breaking the rules. It's not a perfect science, though; we do our best to keep on top of things. We do appreciate when our community members point out anomalies (e.g., a brand new user gets into the top 50 less than an hour after creating an account).", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 269603, "postDate": "2018-01-17T02:51:13.550Z", "content": "Thanks, I do understand it is hard, my concern was more about obvious situations. Thanks a lot.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks, I do understand it is hard, my concern was more about obvious situations. Thanks a lot.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 269621, "postDate": "2018-01-17T03:14:53.730Z", "content": "Hi inversion, I am one of the members of (Eureka!) we were 4th place and we are removed from the LB
\n\nWe tried to contact you guys a few days back about our error on team merge: \nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/tensorflow-speech-recognition-challenge/discussion/47162
\n\nWe tried everything to avoid considered cheater:\n1. We let our other teammate who cannot merge into our team stop any sort of submit immediately.\n2. We let the teammate select three very low LB point file as final submission to avoid affecting final LB.
\n\nI think what make us get removed is this rule:
\n\n> This prohibition includes code sharing between separate Teams, unless a Team merger occurs, and sharing on public sites such as github.
\n\nWe are considered cheater because we (Eureka!) and one of our teammate (zonghua) cannot merge together, and we have submitted very similar answers.
\n\nThe problem is, it's our first competition in kaggle and we understand this rule as \"if we are going to team up, then the code sharing between us is ok\". And obviously our understanding is wrong. However the rule itself is ambiguous.
\n\n> Any such code sharing is a breach of these Competition Rules and may result in disqualification.
\n\nNow I understand that we are disqualification because of this. However we didn't do anything other than a failed late merge(and many, many other team does the same ), so is it really fair to say we are disqualified just because we failed to merge?
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi inversion, I am one of the members of (Eureka!) we were 4th place and we are removed from the LB\n\nWe tried to contact you guys a few days back about our error on team merge: \nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/tensorflow-speech-recognition-challenge/discussion/47162\n\nWe tried everything to avoid considered cheater:\n1. We let our other teammate who cannot merge into our team stop any sort of submit immediately.\n2. We let the teammate select three very low LB point file as final submission to avoid affecting final LB.\n\nI think what make us get removed is this rule:\n\n> This prohibition includes code sharing between separate Teams, unless a Team merger occurs, and sharing on public sites such as github. \n\nWe are considered cheater because we (Eureka!) and one of our teammate (zonghua) cannot merge together, and we have submitted very similar answers.\n\nThe problem is, it's our first competition in kaggle and we understand this rule as \"if we are going to team up, then the code sharing between us is ok\". And obviously our understanding is wrong. However the rule itself is ambiguous.\n\n> Any such code sharing is a breach of these Competition Rules and may result in disqualification.\n\nNow I understand that we are disqualification because of this. However we didn't do anything other than a failed late merge(and many, many other team does the same ), so is it really fair to say we are disqualified just because we failed to merge? ", "votes": -3 }, { "id": 269637, "postDate": "2018-01-17T03:42:14.193Z", "content": "Hi @icybee -
\n\nAs always, our Compliance team is willing to hear your case. You can have each of your 3 team members fill out this form and certify that no rules were violated. (An example of a violation would be, for example, having someone create a second account in order to merge with a team, to bypass the total team submission restriction.)
\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/compliance
\n\nPlease note - the compliance team does reserve the right to remove the account of team members who protest in the case of clear evidence. So, please check with all team members to ensure none have circumvented the rules before submitting.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi @icybee -\n\nAs always, our Compliance team is willing to hear your case. You can have each of your 3 team members fill out this form and certify that no rules were violated. (An example of a violation would be, for example, having someone create a _second_ account in order to merge with a team, to bypass the total team submission restriction.)\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/compliance\n\nPlease note - the compliance team does reserve the right to remove the account of team members who protest in the case of clear evidence. So, please check with all team members to ensure none have circumvented the rules before submitting.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 269649, "postDate": "2018-01-17T04:05:22.537Z", "content": "Thank you so much
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you so much" }, { "id": 269653, "postDate": "2018-01-17T04:15:23.227Z", "content": "Another question, before we teamed up, we have submitted similar answers, is that a clear violation of the rule? Another word, we are not sure why we are removed, is it because we submitted similar answers before team up, or considered create an account to bypass the team submission restriction?
", "rawMarkdown": "Another question, before we teamed up, we have submitted similar answers, is that a clear violation of the rule? Another word, we are not sure why we are removed, is it because we submitted similar answers before team up, or considered create an account to bypass the team submission restriction?", "votes": -5 }, { "id": 270013, "postDate": "2018-01-17T16:48:25.607Z", "content": "@icybee - because of the last thing you mentioned.
", "rawMarkdown": "@icybee - because of the last thing you mentioned.", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 269681, "postDate": "2018-01-17T05:20:10.420Z", "content": "In this competition, removal is abnormal... Even you got removed, why?
", "rawMarkdown": "In this competition, removal is abnormal... Even you got removed, why?", "replies": [ { "id": 269929, "postDate": "2018-01-17T14:41:38.403Z", "content": "I pulled a Hawaii and pushed the wrong button, causing a rescore of all submissions, rather than the mere recalculation required to restore full precision to the leader board. I'm currently completing the work needed to verify that everything is in order. In total, only 24 teams were removed due to compliance issues.
", "rawMarkdown": "I pulled a Hawaii and pushed the wrong button, causing a rescore of all submissions, rather than the mere recalculation required to restore full precision to the leader board. I'm currently completing the work needed to verify that everything is in order. In total, only 24 teams were removed due to compliance issues.", "votes": 4 } ] }, { "id": 269601, "postDate": "2018-01-17T02:49:56.530Z", "content": "Wait... can anyone share me the link to the complaint form? How can I get deleted...
", "rawMarkdown": "Wait... can anyone share me the link to the complaint form? How can I get deleted... ", "replies": [ { "id": 269618, "postDate": "2018-01-17T03:09:44.400Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 1, "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 269629, "postDate": "2018-01-17T03:20:03.783Z", "content": "I get deleted too...
", "rawMarkdown": "I get deleted too...", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 269679, "postDate": "2018-01-17T05:17:48.407Z", "content": "Thanks, @Kinkaku!
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks, @Kinkaku!" } ] }, { "id": 269559, "postDate": "2018-01-17T01:50:23.707Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true } ], "comments": [ { "id": 269550, "author_name": "inversion", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T01:31:34.230000", "content": "Hi NxGTR - We always remove teams when we have evidence of them breaking the rules. It's not a perfect science, though; we do our best to keep on top of things. We do appreciate when our community members point out anomalies (e.g., a brand new user gets into the top 50 less than an hour after creating an account).
", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 269603, "author_name": "NxGTR", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T02:51:13.550000", "content": "Thanks, I do understand it is hard, my concern was more about obvious situations. Thanks a lot.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 269621, "author_name": "icybee", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T03:14:53.730000", "content": "Hi inversion, I am one of the members of (Eureka!) we were 4th place and we are removed from the LB
\n\nWe tried to contact you guys a few days back about our error on team merge: \nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/tensorflow-speech-recognition-challenge/discussion/47162
\n\nWe tried everything to avoid considered cheater:\n1. We let our other teammate who cannot merge into our team stop any sort of submit immediately.\n2. We let the teammate select three very low LB point file as final submission to avoid affecting final LB.
\n\nI think what make us get removed is this rule:
\n\n> This prohibition includes code sharing between separate Teams, unless a Team merger occurs, and sharing on public sites such as github.
\n\nWe are considered cheater because we (Eureka!) and one of our teammate (zonghua) cannot merge together, and we have submitted very similar answers.
\n\nThe problem is, it's our first competition in kaggle and we understand this rule as \"if we are going to team up, then the code sharing between us is ok\". And obviously our understanding is wrong. However the rule itself is ambiguous.
\n\n> Any such code sharing is a breach of these Competition Rules and may result in disqualification.
\n\nNow I understand that we are disqualification because of this. However we didn't do anything other than a failed late merge(and many, many other team does the same ), so is it really fair to say we are disqualified just because we failed to merge?
", "votes": -3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 269637, "author_name": "inversion", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T03:42:14.193000", "content": "Hi @icybee -
\n\nAs always, our Compliance team is willing to hear your case. You can have each of your 3 team members fill out this form and certify that no rules were violated. (An example of a violation would be, for example, having someone create a second account in order to merge with a team, to bypass the total team submission restriction.)
\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/compliance
\n\nPlease note - the compliance team does reserve the right to remove the account of team members who protest in the case of clear evidence. So, please check with all team members to ensure none have circumvented the rules before submitting.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 269649, "author_name": "icybee", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T04:05:22.537000", "content": "Thank you so much
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 269653, "author_name": "icybee", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T04:15:23.227000", "content": "Another question, before we teamed up, we have submitted similar answers, is that a clear violation of the rule? Another word, we are not sure why we are removed, is it because we submitted similar answers before team up, or considered create an account to bypass the team submission restriction?
", "votes": -5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 270013, "author_name": "inversion", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T16:48:25.607000", "content": "@icybee - because of the last thing you mentioned.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 269681, "author_name": "KALE", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T05:20:10.420000", "content": "In this competition, removal is abnormal... Even you got removed, why?
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 269929, "author_name": "inversion", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T14:41:38.403000", "content": "I pulled a Hawaii and pushed the wrong button, causing a rescore of all submissions, rather than the mere recalculation required to restore full precision to the leader board. I'm currently completing the work needed to verify that everything is in order. In total, only 24 teams were removed due to compliance issues.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 269601, "author_name": "Shujian Liu", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T02:49:56.530000", "content": "Wait... can anyone share me the link to the complaint form? How can I get deleted...
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 269618, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T03:09:44.400000", "content": "", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 269629, "author_name": "icybee", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T03:20:03.783000", "content": "I get deleted too...
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 269679, "author_name": "Shujian Liu", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T05:17:48.407000", "content": "Thanks, @Kinkaku!
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 269559, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-01-17T01:50:23.707000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "269528": "I have some thoughts regarding this, believe it or not... very common practice, which is \"private sharing outside teams and late merging\".\n\nWhile is true that at the end they will not have more submissions, it is also true that there is a very specific reason to prefer breaking the rules to later merge and \"comply\" as getting an advantage at first to explore and validate many things at once.\n\nI saw some weird things going on in this competition, I really don't care about it as I did nothing, and while I do understand that honest mistakes happen, it does not change a thing.\n\nSo, hopefully, rules would be enforced for the sake of community standards.", "269550": "Hi NxGTR - We always remove teams when we have evidence of them breaking the rules. It's not a perfect science, though; we do our best to keep on top of things. We do appreciate when our community members point out anomalies (e.g., a brand new user gets into the top 50 less than an hour after creating an account).", "269681": "In this competition, removal is abnormal... Even you got removed, why?", "269601": "Wait... can anyone share me the link to the complaint form? How can I get deleted... ", "269559": "" } }