I have read in wiki about Starfishes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish)
\n\"Starfish sometimes have negative effects on ecosystems. Outbreaks of crown-of-thorns starfish have caused damage to coral reefs\"
\nSo the project will help to find Crown-of-thorns Starfishes and detected Starfishes will be killed?
\nHow ethical is this topic, what is your opinion?
", "messages": [ { "id": "1597278", "postDate": "11/27/2021 11:28:44", "content": "I have read in wiki about Starfishes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish)
\n\"Starfish sometimes have negative effects on ecosystems. Outbreaks of crown-of-thorns starfish have caused damage to coral reefs\"
\nSo the project will help to find Crown-of-thorns Starfishes and detected Starfishes will be killed?
\nHow ethical is this topic, what is your opinion?
", "rawMarkdown": "I have read in wiki about Starfishes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish) \n\n\"Starfish sometimes have negative effects on ecosystems. Outbreaks of crown-of-thorns starfish have caused damage to coral reefs\"\n\nSo the project will help to find Crown-of-thorns Starfishes and detected Starfishes will be killed? \n\nHow ethical is this topic, what is your opinion?", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597285", "postDate": "11/27/2021 11:33:03", "content": "I remember reading about a robot that injects a poisonous substance into COTS. So yes, we are training COTS terminators
\nhttps://reefbuilders.com/2021/05/13/killer-robot-hunts-down-crown-of-thorns-starfish/
", "rawMarkdown": "I remember reading about a robot that injects a poisonous substance into COTS. So yes, we are training COTS terminators\n\nhttps://reefbuilders.com/2021/05/13/killer-robot-hunts-down-crown-of-thorns-starfish/", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597294", "postDate": "11/27/2021 12:02:08", "content": "You need to see this video. it shows the 2 methods to deal with them.
\n", "rawMarkdown": "You need to see this video. it shows the 2 methods to deal with them.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/wMQMqjqNzP8", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597353", "postDate": "11/27/2021 12:44:03", "content": "i think if they use our tensorflow code, than some kind of UnderWater DroneRobot is used in the future or already used
", "rawMarkdown": "i think if they use our tensorflow code, than some kind of UnderWater DroneRobot is used in the future or already used", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597376", "postDate": "11/27/2021 13:04:32", "content": "Everything we do in this competition will be useful to apply to other projects like cleaning oceans.
", "rawMarkdown": "Everything we do in this competition will be useful to apply to other projects like cleaning oceans.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597409", "postDate": "11/27/2021 13:36:25", "content": "The Great Barrier Reef is one of the most important parts of Australian biodiversity, no ethical conundrum there.
", "rawMarkdown": "The Great Barrier Reef is one of the most important parts of Australian biodiversity, no ethical conundrum there.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597528", "postDate": "11/27/2021 15:55:02", "content": "I think that if they use my TF code any fish will be maximally in jeopardy of \"laughing to death\"!😃
", "rawMarkdown": "I think that if they use **my TF code** any fish will be maximally in jeopardy of \"laughing to death\"!😃", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597568", "postDate": "11/27/2021 16:40:25", "content": "May be :)
", "rawMarkdown": "May be :)", "votes": null }, { "id": "1597798", "postDate": "11/27/2021 22:58:36", "content": "Both coral and starfish is same life. In this point of view, there is no difference. But the Great Barrier Reef is national heritage.
", "rawMarkdown": "Both coral and starfish is same life. In this point of view, there is no difference. But the Great Barrier Reef is national heritage.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1601416", "postDate": "12/01/2021 09:02:17", "content": "@akmalmir, thank you for such an insightful question. Is there a way to deal with COTS without killing them, I wonder? I would not want to harm COTS. Perhaps, we could move them to a different coral reef that is not as critical as the Great Barrier Reef. Hence, they can live. Or maybe we do have to kill them.
", "rawMarkdown": "akmalmir, thank you for such an insightful question. Is there a way to deal with COTS without killing them, I wonder? I would not want to harm COTS. Perhaps, we could move them to a different coral reef that is not as critical as the Great Barrier Reef. Hence, they can live. Or maybe we do have to kill them.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1601449", "postDate": "12/01/2021 09:36:10", "content": "Dear @anhnguyen811 i believe there are some other ways(solutions) of COTS Management but i feel in terms on investment into ecology, governments choose most inexpensive and effective solution. So that in my opinion further research needed.
\nFound here are two interesting articles:
This is an important question. However at the moment, like many other decisions made by humans, we have to prioritize between an uncontrolled COTS outbreak and saving an already dying coral population. The answer is not without demerits, but at the moment, it is what is needed.
", "rawMarkdown": "This is an important question. However at the moment, like many other decisions made by humans, we have to prioritize between an uncontrolled COTS outbreak and saving an already dying coral population. The answer is not without demerits, but at the moment, it is what is needed.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1607079", "postDate": "12/05/2021 14:47:56", "content": "Don't overthink guys. The universe is absurd and cruel.
", "rawMarkdown": "Don't overthink guys. The universe is absurd and cruel.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1608901", "postDate": "12/06/2021 19:00:39", "content": "I have a different sentiment. I think it behooves all of us to consider the ethical ramifications of our work. The universe may be absurd and cruel, that doesn't imply that we should be, too. In the case of COTS, we're worried about population estimates and, almost certainly, the idea of targeted population control. I don't have a problem with that, particularly as I suspect echinoderms aren't sentient, but I think we should all reflect on the tools we're building and the uses to which they may be put.
", "rawMarkdown": "I have a different sentiment. I think it behooves all of us to consider the ethical ramifications of our work. The universe may be absurd and cruel, that doesn't imply that we should be, too. In the case of COTS, we're worried about population estimates and, almost certainly, the idea of targeted population control. I don't have a problem with that, particularly as I suspect echinoderms aren't sentient, but I think we should all reflect on the tools we're building and the uses to which they may be put.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1610210", "postDate": "12/07/2021 03:23:06", "content": "There is already an effort to build a robot that will give them lethal injections. For context, I believe these starfish are invasive to the Great Barrier Reef, but if not, they are at least detrimental for other reasons. It seems there is something of a consensus among the relevant ecologists about their negative effects.
", "rawMarkdown": "There is already an effort to build a robot that will [give them lethal injections](https://youtu.be/WXmvOjiYdvo). For context, I believe these starfish are invasive to the Great Barrier Reef, but if not, they are at least detrimental for other reasons. It seems there is something of a consensus among the relevant ecologists about their negative effects.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1610496", "postDate": "12/07/2021 09:18:59", "content": "@akmalmir Thank you for the resources that you have shared. I will give them a read.
", "rawMarkdown": "akmalmir Thank you for the resources that you have shared. I will give them a read.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1610558", "postDate": "12/07/2021 10:11:41", "content": "You are welcome, with best wishes!
", "rawMarkdown": "You are welcome, with best wishes!", "votes": null }, { "id": "1630443", "postDate": "12/27/2021 10:25:13", "content": "I doubt they will even use my codes. 😁
", "rawMarkdown": "I doubt they will even use my codes. 😁", "votes": null }, { "id": "1642277", "postDate": "01/08/2022 08:34:22", "content": "poor starfish
", "rawMarkdown": "poor starfish", "votes": null }, { "id": "1654043", "postDate": "01/18/2022 05:04:47", "content": "They are not edible for us human, but some fish can eat them according to this.
\nhttps://www.sciencenews.org/article/fish-poop-exposes-what-eats-destructive-crown-thorns-starfish
I remember reading about a robot that injects a poisonous substance into COTS. So yes, we are training COTS terminators
\nhttps://reefbuilders.com/2021/05/13/killer-robot-hunts-down-crown-of-thorns-starfish/
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1597294, "author_name": "faisalalsrheed", "author_url": "", "post_date": "11/27/2021 12:02:08", "content": "You need to see this video. it shows the 2 methods to deal with them.
\n", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1597353, "author_name": "akmalmir", "author_url": "", "post_date": "11/27/2021 12:44:03", "content": "i think if they use our tensorflow code, than some kind of UnderWater DroneRobot is used in the future or already used
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1597376, "author_name": "faisalalsrheed", "author_url": "", "post_date": "11/27/2021 13:04:32", "content": "Everything we do in this competition will be useful to apply to other projects like cleaning oceans.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1597528, "author_name": "blankaf", "author_url": "", "post_date": "11/27/2021 15:55:02", "content": "I think that if they use my TF code any fish will be maximally in jeopardy of \"laughing to death\"!😃
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1597568, "author_name": "akmalmir", "author_url": "", "post_date": "11/27/2021 16:40:25", "content": "May be :)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1597409, "author_name": "shtrausslearning", "author_url": "", "post_date": "11/27/2021 13:36:25", "content": "The Great Barrier Reef is one of the most important parts of Australian biodiversity, no ethical conundrum there.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1597798, "author_name": "osamurai", "author_url": "", "post_date": "11/27/2021 22:58:36", "content": "Both coral and starfish is same life. In this point of view, there is no difference. But the Great Barrier Reef is national heritage.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1601416, "author_name": "anhnguyen811", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/01/2021 09:02:17", "content": "@akmalmir, thank you for such an insightful question. Is there a way to deal with COTS without killing them, I wonder? I would not want to harm COTS. Perhaps, we could move them to a different coral reef that is not as critical as the Great Barrier Reef. Hence, they can live. Or maybe we do have to kill them.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1601449, "author_name": "akmalmir", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/01/2021 09:36:10", "content": "Dear @anhnguyen811 i believe there are some other ways(solutions) of COTS Management but i feel in terms on investment into ecology, governments choose most inexpensive and effective solution. So that in my opinion further research needed.
\nFound here are two interesting articles:
@akmalmir Thank you for the resources that you have shared. I will give them a read.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1610558, "author_name": "akmalmir", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/07/2021 10:11:41", "content": "You are welcome, with best wishes!
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1605781, "author_name": "inarticulatus", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/04/2021 14:59:57", "content": "This is an important question. However at the moment, like many other decisions made by humans, we have to prioritize between an uncontrolled COTS outbreak and saving an already dying coral population. The answer is not without demerits, but at the moment, it is what is needed.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1607079, "author_name": "aerdem4", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/05/2021 14:47:56", "content": "Don't overthink guys. The universe is absurd and cruel.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1608901, "author_name": "lobrien", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/06/2021 19:00:39", "content": "I have a different sentiment. I think it behooves all of us to consider the ethical ramifications of our work. The universe may be absurd and cruel, that doesn't imply that we should be, too. In the case of COTS, we're worried about population estimates and, almost certainly, the idea of targeted population control. I don't have a problem with that, particularly as I suspect echinoderms aren't sentient, but I think we should all reflect on the tools we're building and the uses to which they may be put.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1610210, "author_name": "reedmerrill", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/07/2021 03:23:06", "content": "There is already an effort to build a robot that will give them lethal injections. For context, I believe these starfish are invasive to the Great Barrier Reef, but if not, they are at least detrimental for other reasons. It seems there is something of a consensus among the relevant ecologists about their negative effects.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1630443, "author_name": "lightmk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/27/2021 10:25:13", "content": "I doubt they will even use my codes. 😁
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1642277, "author_name": "drzhuzhe", "author_url": "", "post_date": "01/08/2022 08:34:22", "content": "poor starfish
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1654043, "author_name": "drtausamaru", "author_url": "", "post_date": "01/18/2022 05:04:47", "content": "They are not edible for us human, but some fish can eat them according to this.
\nhttps://www.sciencenews.org/article/fish-poop-exposes-what-eats-destructive-crown-thorns-starfish