Have you noticed that top 5 teams have at least one member from China or Japan, if not all members? This is impressive.
\n\nI hope this is not a trend, being from Europe ;)
\n\nEdited title from 'Far East ' to 'East Asia'.
", "messages": [ { "id": 326472, "postDate": "2018-05-09T19:32:38.740Z", "content": "Well, I also observed that Chinese and Russian names pop-up in the top of the LB. Might this be related to the STEM (and especially mathematics) high standards in high school and university in these countries? As well as the recent high attention given to AI and ML by Government both in Russia and China ?
\n\nhttp://fortune.com/2017/09/04/ai-artificial-intelligence-putin-rule-world/
\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/business/china-artificial-intelligence.html
", "rawMarkdown": "Well, I also observed that Chinese and Russian names pop-up in the top of the LB. Might this be related to the STEM (and especially mathematics) high standards in high school and university in these countries? As well as the recent high attention given to AI and ML by Government both in Russia and China ?\n\nhttp://fortune.com/2017/09/04/ai-artificial-intelligence-putin-rule-world/\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/business/china-artificial-intelligence.html\n\n", "votes": 9 }, { "id": 328571, "postDate": "2018-05-14T16:20:22.650Z", "content": "Though I’ve lived a really long time in Canada, I started out in Russia. I’m not hundred percent sure what the education there is like now, but I do remember that the academic rigour in subjects related to math was leaps ahead of anything I’ve seen in Canadian (or American) schools. By grade 5 we covered a lot of material that in Canada I’ve only encountered in grade 10. When I went to school in Canada, immigrants from Eastern Europe and Asia found Canadian math curriculum pretty much a joke. People with ‘C’ averages in their original countries were suddenly ‘A’ students in math. The advantages translated to university and so on.
\n\nEssentially Asia and Russia follow a ‘learn-by-drilling-and-practicing-a-lot’ math curriculums. By the time the kids grow up, they have a pretty solid grasp of basic mathematical concepts and can build on them. While, at least in North America, general public education has shifted to a ‘learn-by-discovery-homework-is-bad’ kind of attitude. For instance, elementary school students here are not exposed to multi-step word problems, they learn multiplication by endlessly adding things up (no memorization of the table is expected), in grade 5 are still literally doing questions like 22 + 10. Unless kids go to special schools or have really focused parents who supplement public education, they really don’t learn that much and tend to fall off the math-oriented paths. The really driven ones have to do a lot of catching up on their own. And the ones with special schools/programs/supplementary books are unsurprisingly also more likely to have parents from Asian and Eastern European backgrounds.
\n\nAdd that up to China actively promoting machine learning, and it's no surprise that they have a lot of people both interested and capable of figuring out this field, compared to North America.
", "rawMarkdown": "Though I’ve lived a really long time in Canada, I started out in Russia. I’m not hundred percent sure what the education there is like now, but I do remember that the academic rigour in subjects related to math was leaps ahead of anything I’ve seen in Canadian (or American) schools. By grade 5 we covered a lot of material that in Canada I’ve only encountered in grade 10. When I went to school in Canada, immigrants from Eastern Europe and Asia found Canadian math curriculum pretty much a joke. People with ‘C’ averages in their original countries were suddenly ‘A’ students in math. The advantages translated to university and so on. \n\nEssentially Asia and Russia follow a ‘learn-by-drilling-and-practicing-a-lot’ math curriculums. By the time the kids grow up, they have a pretty solid grasp of basic mathematical concepts and can build on them. While, at least in North America, general public education has shifted to a ‘learn-by-discovery-homework-is-bad’ kind of attitude. For instance, elementary school students here are not exposed to multi-step word problems, they learn multiplication by endlessly adding things up (no memorization of the table is expected), in grade 5 are still literally doing questions like 22 + 10. Unless kids go to special schools or have really focused parents who supplement public education, they really don’t learn that much and tend to fall off the math-oriented paths. The really driven ones have to do a lot of catching up on their own. And the ones with special schools/programs/supplementary books are unsurprisingly also more likely to have parents from Asian and Eastern European backgrounds.\n\nAdd that up to China actively promoting machine learning, and it's no surprise that they have a lot of people both interested and capable of figuring out this field, compared to North America.\n", "votes": 10 }, { "id": 326329, "postDate": "2018-05-09T15:18:27.560Z", "content": "Have you noticed that top 5 teams have at least one member from China or Japan, if not all members? This is impressive.
\n\nI hope this is not a trend, being from Europe ;)
\n\nEdited title from 'Far East ' to 'East Asia'.
", "rawMarkdown": "Have you noticed that top 5 teams have at least one member from China or Japan, if not all members? This is impressive.\n\nI hope this is not a trend, being from Europe ;) \n\n*Edited title from 'Far East ' to 'East Asia'.*", "votes": 11 }, { "id": 326909, "postDate": "2018-05-10T13:55:02.023Z", "content": "It was a Golden Week(The National Holiday) in Japan from April 28th to May 6th.\nSo this competition which ends on May 8th was very good timing for many Japanese including me. :)
", "rawMarkdown": "It was a [Golden Week](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Week_(Japan))(The National Holiday) in Japan from April 28th to May 6th.\nSo this competition which ends on May 8th was very good timing for many Japanese including me. :)", "votes": 8, "replies": [ { "id": 326926, "postDate": "2018-05-10T14:17:09.973Z", "content": "I like this explanation! Thanks.
", "rawMarkdown": "I like this explanation! Thanks." }, { "id": 327143, "postDate": "2018-05-10T22:35:07.367Z", "content": "Well well, I wasn't working either that week but didn't get a medal. So kudos to all of you deserved medalists! You inspire to do a better job next time!
", "rawMarkdown": "Well well, I wasn't working either that week but didn't get a medal. So kudos to all of you deserved medalists! You inspire to do a better job next time!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 329004, "postDate": "2018-05-15T14:03:46.007Z", "content": "Interesting, I hope I can enjoy the many Brazilian holidays!
", "rawMarkdown": "Interesting, I hope I can enjoy the many Brazilian holidays!" } ] }, { "id": 326900, "postDate": "2018-05-10T13:31:07.120Z", "content": "I have had a look at some of these chinese platforms, the competition topics themselves are quite interesting, but the activity on the forum, and the sharing facilities were a lot more limited compare to Kaggle. There is also the perception that folks on Kaggle are a lot more open at sharing their solutions.
\n\nPersonally, after many years living in Europe, I have probably become a bit too liberal than I care to admit and I found the registration of most of these chinese platform asking way too many personal questions! :p
", "rawMarkdown": "I have had a look at some of these chinese platforms, the competition topics themselves are quite interesting, but the activity on the forum, and the sharing facilities were a lot more limited compare to Kaggle. There is also the perception that folks on Kaggle are a lot more open at sharing their solutions.\n\nPersonally, after many years living in Europe, I have probably become a bit too liberal than I care to admit and I found the registration of most of these chinese platform asking way too many personal questions! :p ", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 326908, "postDate": "2018-05-10T13:53:54.050Z", "content": "In some ways, competitions in China are more competitive than Kaggle. More prize money and REAL job offers attract a lot of researchers.
", "rawMarkdown": "In some ways, competitions in China are more competitive than Kaggle. More prize money and REAL job offers attract a lot of researchers.", "votes": 7 }, { "id": 328032, "postDate": "2018-05-13T07:36:46.050Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 4, "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 328081, "postDate": "2018-05-13T09:54:07.123Z", "content": "that's how I feel as well.
", "rawMarkdown": "that's how I feel as well. ", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 326473, "postDate": "2018-05-09T19:34:17.850Z", "content": "It is funny to be downvoted for stating a true and verifiable fact.
\n\nIt is because I wrote 'I hope this is not a trend, being from Europe' ? I though the Smiley would show I'm not serious about it.
\n\nI also thought we are data scientists here, and that looking at data would not trigger any dispute. I merely looked at data here, everyone can check that I stated a true fact.
\n\nAnyway, if people want to downvote for whatever reason, then I hope they feel better after it.
", "rawMarkdown": "It is funny to be downvoted for stating a true and verifiable fact. \n\n It is because I wrote 'I hope this is not a trend, being from Europe' ? I though the Smiley would show I'm not serious about it.\n\nI also thought we are data scientists here, and that looking at data would not trigger any dispute. I merely looked at data here, everyone can check that I stated a true fact.\n\nAnyway, if people want to downvote for whatever reason, then I hope they feel better after it.", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 327331, "postDate": "2018-05-11T09:52:42.993Z", "content": "So... Welcome to China!
", "rawMarkdown": "So... Welcome to China!", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 327353, "postDate": "2018-05-11T10:56:19.940Z", "content": "I've been to China several times, I like it.
", "rawMarkdown": "I've been to China several times, I like it.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 327369, "postDate": "2018-05-11T11:41:40.553Z", "content": "Wow... Feel free to contact us next time you come!
", "rawMarkdown": "Wow... Feel free to contact us next time you come!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 327372, "postDate": "2018-05-11T11:44:51.380Z", "content": "Will do!
", "rawMarkdown": "Will do!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 327373, "postDate": "2018-05-11T11:47:17.470Z", "content": "Last time I was there I presented on Zhihu Live: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/26586181
", "rawMarkdown": "Last time I was there I presented on Zhihu Live: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/26586181", "votes": 5 }, { "id": 327719, "postDate": "2018-05-12T09:13:35.500Z", "content": "Woo! Zhihu Live from you! Awesome!
", "rawMarkdown": "Woo! Zhihu Live from you! Awesome!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 327720, "postDate": "2018-05-12T09:14:42.240Z", "content": "Thanks, I was very honored to be able to present there.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks, I was very honored to be able to present there." }, { "id": 328211, "postDate": "2018-05-13T17:19:43.477Z", "content": "holy shit, as a zhihu / kaggle user on both sides I missed this, really thanks for mentioning
", "rawMarkdown": "holy shit, as a zhihu / kaggle user on both sides I missed this, really thanks for mentioning", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 326341, "postDate": "2018-05-09T15:30:06.040Z", "content": "Is this analysis based on residence or citizenship? And how do you know about @bestfitting? Since he has no info on his profile and he is very successful, i was thinking he is an AI:)
", "rawMarkdown": "Is this analysis based on residence or citizenship? And how do you know about @bestfitting? Since he has no info on his profile and he is very successful, i was thinking he is an AI:)", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 326346, "postDate": "2018-05-09T15:38:10.877Z", "content": "whether he is AI or not, @divrikwicky, he is based in the chinese city of Changsha, according to this: \nhttps://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/12/12/how-a-bike-trip-led-to-a-win-for-rainforest-protection/
", "rawMarkdown": "whether he is AI or not, @divrikwicky, he is based in the chinese city of Changsha, according to this: \nhttps://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/12/12/how-a-bike-trip-led-to-a-win-for-rainforest-protection/ ", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326348, "postDate": "2018-05-09T15:39:16.310Z", "content": "@Yifan Xie, thanks.
\n\nSame info is also available on Kaggle: http://blog.kaggle.com/2018/05/07/profiling-top-kagglers-bestfitting-currently-1-in-the-world/
", "rawMarkdown": "@Yifan Xie, thanks. \n\nSame info is also available on Kaggle: http://blog.kaggle.com/2018/05/07/profiling-top-kagglers-bestfitting-currently-1-in-the-world/", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326351, "postDate": "2018-05-09T15:40:41.320Z", "content": "@Ahmet, I looked at Kaggle profiles, except for @bestfitting. I guess it is about location more than citizenship.
", "rawMarkdown": "@Ahmet, I looked at Kaggle profiles, except for @bestfitting. I guess it is about location more than citizenship." }, { "id": 326399, "postDate": "2018-05-09T16:30:52.270Z", "content": "Changsha is a city, my hometown is nearby there.
", "rawMarkdown": "Changsha is a city, my hometown is nearby there." } ] }, { "id": 327991, "postDate": "2018-05-13T05:17:02.703Z", "content": "You did the recruit competition, right?
\nYou must remember the golden week effect
I remember the effect but not when it would occur in 2018 ;)
", "rawMarkdown": "I remember the effect but not when it would occur in 2018 ;)" } ] }, { "id": 326890, "postDate": "2018-05-10T13:15:54.910Z", "content": "I think there are many reasons for that, but the most important could be that machine learning(or AI) is becoming popular in China, many big companies and universities focus on this field. And Kaggle is a good place to learn and to do something in this field.
", "rawMarkdown": "I think there are many reasons for that, but the most important could be that machine learning(or AI) is becoming popular in China, many big companies and universities focus on this field. And Kaggle is a good place to learn and to do something in this field. ", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326758, "postDate": "2018-05-10T09:26:14.800Z", "content": "some of Chinese people just work harder
", "rawMarkdown": "some of Chinese people just work harder", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326763, "postDate": "2018-05-10T09:32:52.377Z", "content": "There are many AI Competitions in China in the last two years.As I know,There are 15+ AI Competitions( Active Competitions) in China now. We have experience.
", "rawMarkdown": "There are many AI Competitions in China in the last two years.As I know,There are 15+ AI Competitions( Active Competitions) in China now. We have experience.", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 326767, "postDate": "2018-05-10T09:42:25.683Z", "content": "Thanks, that's what I was thinking. It explains how people from China can get a gold in their first Kaggle competition so often.
\n\nI am aware of Tianchi. Are there other popular competition platforms in China?
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks, that's what I was thinking. It explains how people from China can get a gold in their first Kaggle competition so often. \n\nI am aware of Tianchi. Are there other popular competition platforms in China?", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 326792, "postDate": "2018-05-10T10:50:56.070Z", "content": "competition platforms ：tianchi，DataCastle，DataFountain，BdRace，biendata，Kesci ... and many big companys have their independent AI Competitions ：Tencent,Alibaba , ant financial ,baidu, kuaishou, mobai,meituan,didi,huawei,sohu...
", "rawMarkdown": "competition platforms ：tianchi，DataCastle，DataFountain，BdRace，biendata，Kesci ... and many big companys have their independent AI Competitions ：Tencent,Alibaba , ant financial ,baidu, kuaishou, mobai,meituan,didi,huawei,sohu...", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 326794, "postDate": "2018-05-10T10:56:25.373Z", "content": "You can have a check here: https://dc.cloud.alipay.com/index#/compet/topics https://challenger.ai/competitions?lan=en http://algo.qq.com/home/home/index.html https://jdata.jd.com/html/detail.html?tab=myteam&id=2 ， some of which don't provide English version.
", "rawMarkdown": "You can have a check here: https://dc.cloud.alipay.com/index#/compet/topics https://challenger.ai/competitions?lan=en http://algo.qq.com/home/home/index.html https://jdata.jd.com/html/detail.html?tab=myteam&id=2 ， some of which don't provide English version.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326846, "postDate": "2018-05-10T12:25:34.853Z", "content": "@xuan, @LastRocky, many thanks. Maybe learning Mandarin is worth it for me now!
", "rawMarkdown": "@xuan, @LastRocky, many thanks. Maybe learning Mandarin is worth it for me now!", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 326395, "postDate": "2018-05-09T16:26:26.230Z", "content": "Have you noticed the \"Far East\" contains countries that are the most populated?
", "rawMarkdown": "Have you noticed the \"Far East\" contains countries that are the most populated?", "replies": [ { "id": 326405, "postDate": "2018-05-09T16:35:54.290Z", "content": "This could be an explanation, but if that was it then we should see more US people.
", "rawMarkdown": "This could be an explanation, but if that was it then we should see more US people.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 326461, "postDate": "2018-05-09T19:09:42.787Z", "content": "The logic of this statement eludes me.
", "rawMarkdown": "The logic of this statement eludes me. ", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 326471, "postDate": "2018-05-09T19:31:52.943Z", "content": "\n\n\nThe logic of this statement eludes me.
\n
Let me try to spell it. You wrote:
\n\n\n\n\nHave you noticed the \"Far East\" contains countries that are the most populated?
\n
I understood it as: a more populated country has more chance to get people in the top.
\n\nEquivalently, the ratio of people at the top is proportional to the population in their country. Given USA is far more populated than Japan, I would expect more US people at the top that Japanese.
\n\nIs that clearer now?
", "rawMarkdown": "> The logic of this statement eludes me. \n\nLet me try to spell it. You wrote:\n\n> Have you noticed the \"Far East\" contains countries that are the most populated?\n\nI understood it as: a more populated country has more chance to get people in the top. \n\nEquivalently, the ratio of people at the top is proportional to the population in their country. Given USA is far more populated than Japan, I would expect more US people at the top that Japanese.\n\nIs that clearer now?" }, { "id": 326479, "postDate": "2018-05-09T19:45:30.587Z", "content": "Ah, I get it now. So you are not considering any possible confounding factors or accounting for statistical fluctuations before concluding that you've zeroed in on a meaningful trend.
", "rawMarkdown": "Ah, I get it now. So you are not considering any possible confounding factors or accounting for statistical fluctuations before concluding that you've zeroed in on a meaningful trend.", "votes": -2 }, { "id": 326501, "postDate": "2018-05-09T20:27:20.160Z", "content": "I'm not concluding anything, I stated a fact. You can interpret the way you wish.
\n\nYou're the one who tried to give a statistical meaning to that fact, not me.
", "rawMarkdown": "I'm not concluding anything, I stated a fact. You can interpret the way you wish.\n\nYou're the one who tried to give a statistical meaning to that fact, not me.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 326504, "postDate": "2018-05-09T20:46:11.337Z", "content": "I simply asked if you noticed something that I noticed... just like you did.
\n\nHere's some other things I noticed: you came in sixth, this post is about the top 5 teams, no one from the \"Far East\" has made comments about people from other parts of the world winning competitions, the top 5 teams are composed of 13 people who list their locations (which may or may not correspond to their place of birth, their parents' place or birth, where they were raised/educated) 1 USA, 1 Greece, 1 Netherlands, 2 Austria, this quote from the \"Far East\" wikipedia entry ['Concerning the term, John K. Fairbank and Edwin O. Reischauer, professors of East Asian Studies at Harvard University, wrote (in East Asia: The Great Tradition): \"When Europeans traveled far to the east to reach Cathay, Japan and the Indies, they naturally gave those distant regions the general name 'Far East.' Americans who reached China, Japan and Southeast Asia by sail and steam across the Pacific could, with equal logic, have called that area the 'Far West.' For the people who live in that part of the world, however, it is neither 'East' nor 'West' and certainly not 'Far.' A more generally acceptable term for the area is 'East Asia,' which is geographically more precise and does not imply the outdated notion that Europe is the center of the civilized world.\"[4]'] + more
", "rawMarkdown": "I simply asked if you noticed something that I noticed... just like you did.\n\nHere's some other things I noticed: you came in sixth, this post is about the top 5 teams, no one from the \"Far East\" has made comments about people from other parts of the world winning competitions, the top 5 teams are composed of 13 people who list their locations (which may or may not correspond to their place of birth, their parents' place or birth, where they were raised/educated) 1 USA, 1 Greece, 1 Netherlands, 2 Austria, this quote from the \"Far East\" wikipedia entry ['Concerning the term, John K. Fairbank and Edwin O. Reischauer, professors of East Asian Studies at Harvard University, wrote (in East Asia: The Great Tradition): \"When Europeans traveled far to the east to reach Cathay, Japan and the Indies, they naturally gave those distant regions the general name 'Far East.' Americans who reached China, Japan and Southeast Asia by sail and steam across the Pacific could, with equal logic, have called that area the 'Far West.' For the people who live in that part of the world, however, it is neither 'East' nor 'West' and certainly not 'Far.' A more generally acceptable term for the area is 'East Asia,' which is geographically more precise and does not imply the outdated notion that Europe is the center of the civilized world.\"[4]'] + more", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 326507, "postDate": "2018-05-09T20:57:17.740Z", "content": "I don't understand the discussion here exactly. None of you has bad intentions, you just misunderstand each other. As a side note, if Dutch in this list is me, I am Turkish so West Asian:)
", "rawMarkdown": "I don't understand the discussion here exactly. None of you has bad intentions, you just misunderstand each other. As a side note, if Dutch in this list is me, I am Turkish so West Asian:)", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 326508, "postDate": "2018-05-09T21:00:47.750Z", "content": "\n\nFair enough. It's a bit late here ;)
", "rawMarkdown": "@aeevrubin\n\nFair enough. It's a bit late here ;)", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326512, "postDate": "2018-05-09T21:04:46.550Z", "content": "@AhmetErdem, I was discussing location actually, but if we look at citizenship i think we have an even larger proportion of people from Asia, based on the pseudo they selected. Your are an example of this.
", "rawMarkdown": "@AhmetErdem, I was discussing location actually, but if we look at citizenship i think we have an even larger proportion of people from Asia, based on the pseudo they selected. Your are an example of this. ", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326516, "postDate": "2018-05-09T21:11:18.940Z", "content": "That's interesting. A location listed in a profile might not even represent how a person identifies.\nI have edited my comment to reflect that information.
", "rawMarkdown": "That's interesting. A location listed in a profile might not even represent how a person identifies.\nI have edited my comment to reflect that information.", "votes": -2 }, { "id": 326834, "postDate": "2018-05-10T12:00:24.147Z", "content": "Dutch people are hard to find on Kaggle anyway. I have only seen a few typical Dutch names. I guess we are better at traveling and stuff like that ;-)
", "rawMarkdown": "Dutch people are hard to find on Kaggle anyway. I have only seen a few typical Dutch names. I guess we are better at traveling and stuff like that ;-)", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 326386, "postDate": "2018-05-09T16:13:57.477Z", "content": "Maybe because the TalkingData is a Chinese company. (I'm also a Chinese, even my rank is far away from top)
", "rawMarkdown": "Maybe because the TalkingData is a Chinese company. (I'm also a Chinese, even my rank is far away from top)", "replies": [ { "id": 326404, "postDate": "2018-05-09T16:34:35.367Z", "content": "I am not sure culture played a role. @Yifan Xie shared a very interesting article on click farms that helped understanding what we deal with here: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/55054
", "rawMarkdown": "I am not sure culture played a role. @Yifan Xie shared a very interesting article on click farms that helped understanding what we deal with here: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/55054" } ] }, { "id": 327109, "postDate": "2018-05-10T20:40:13.413Z", "content": "Have you noticed that top 5 teams have at least one member that is a Competitions Master/Grandmaster if not all members?
\n\nI hope this is not a trend ;)
\n\nP.S. Despite the fact I insinuated this could be a trend, I'm not concluding anything, I stated a fact. You can interpret the way you wish.
", "rawMarkdown": "Have you noticed that top 5 teams have at least one member that is a Competitions Master/Grandmaster if not all members? \n\nI hope this is not a trend ;)\n\nP.S. Despite the fact I insinuated this could be a trend, I'm not concluding anything, I stated a fact. You can interpret the way you wish.", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 326475, "postDate": "2018-05-09T19:41:24.530Z", "content": "Note that 7th team is all from Russia, could be seen as part of Asia, and 8th team is from Far East too.
", "rawMarkdown": "Note that 7th team is all from Russia, could be seen as part of Asia, and 8th team is from Far East too.", "votes": -2, "replies": [ { "id": 326482, "postDate": "2018-05-09T19:53:31.407Z", "content": "And rank 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 are from Asia too.
", "rawMarkdown": "And rank 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 are from Asia too.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 326920, "postDate": "2018-05-10T14:10:04.593Z", "content": "one guy in 18 from Asia 😂
", "rawMarkdown": "one guy in 18 from Asia 😂", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 326520, "postDate": "2018-05-09T21:28:34.020Z", "content": "China has huge population.
", "rawMarkdown": "China has huge population. ", "replies": [ { "id": 326720, "postDate": "2018-05-10T08:24:40.837Z", "content": "Sure.
\n\nIs that relevant?
\n\nIf it is relevant, then see this discussion: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/56420#326395
", "rawMarkdown": "Sure. \n\nIs that relevant? \n\nIf it is relevant, then see this discussion: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/56420#326395", "votes": 1 } ] } ], "comments": [ { "id": 326472, "author_name": "Gabriel Preda", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T19:32:38.740000", "content": "Well, I also observed that Chinese and Russian names pop-up in the top of the LB. Might this be related to the STEM (and especially mathematics) high standards in high school and university in these countries? As well as the recent high attention given to AI and ML by Government both in Russia and China ?
\n\nhttp://fortune.com/2017/09/04/ai-artificial-intelligence-putin-rule-world/
\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/business/china-artificial-intelligence.html
", "votes": 9, "replies": [] }, { "id": 328571, "author_name": "yulia", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-14T16:20:22.650000", "content": "Though I’ve lived a really long time in Canada, I started out in Russia. I’m not hundred percent sure what the education there is like now, but I do remember that the academic rigour in subjects related to math was leaps ahead of anything I’ve seen in Canadian (or American) schools. By grade 5 we covered a lot of material that in Canada I’ve only encountered in grade 10. When I went to school in Canada, immigrants from Eastern Europe and Asia found Canadian math curriculum pretty much a joke. People with ‘C’ averages in their original countries were suddenly ‘A’ students in math. The advantages translated to university and so on.
\n\nEssentially Asia and Russia follow a ‘learn-by-drilling-and-practicing-a-lot’ math curriculums. By the time the kids grow up, they have a pretty solid grasp of basic mathematical concepts and can build on them. While, at least in North America, general public education has shifted to a ‘learn-by-discovery-homework-is-bad’ kind of attitude. For instance, elementary school students here are not exposed to multi-step word problems, they learn multiplication by endlessly adding things up (no memorization of the table is expected), in grade 5 are still literally doing questions like 22 + 10. Unless kids go to special schools or have really focused parents who supplement public education, they really don’t learn that much and tend to fall off the math-oriented paths. The really driven ones have to do a lot of catching up on their own. And the ones with special schools/programs/supplementary books are unsurprisingly also more likely to have parents from Asian and Eastern European backgrounds.
\n\nAdd that up to China actively promoting machine learning, and it's no surprise that they have a lot of people both interested and capable of figuring out this field, compared to North America.
", "votes": 10, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326909, "author_name": "tito", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T13:55:02.023000", "content": "It was a Golden Week(The National Holiday) in Japan from April 28th to May 6th.\nSo this competition which ends on May 8th was very good timing for many Japanese including me. :)
", "votes": 8, "replies": [ { "id": 326926, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T14:17:09.973000", "content": "I like this explanation! Thanks.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 327143, "author_name": "Araks Stepanyan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T22:35:07.367000", "content": "Well well, I wasn't working either that week but didn't get a medal. So kudos to all of you deserved medalists! You inspire to do a better job next time!
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 329004, "author_name": "Gledson Picharski", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-15T14:03:46.007000", "content": "Interesting, I hope I can enjoy the many Brazilian holidays!
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 326900, "author_name": "Yifan Xie", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T13:31:07.120000", "content": "I have had a look at some of these chinese platforms, the competition topics themselves are quite interesting, but the activity on the forum, and the sharing facilities were a lot more limited compare to Kaggle. There is also the perception that folks on Kaggle are a lot more open at sharing their solutions.
\n\nPersonally, after many years living in Europe, I have probably become a bit too liberal than I care to admit and I found the registration of most of these chinese platform asking way too many personal questions! :p
", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 326908, "author_name": "KALE", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T13:53:54.050000", "content": "In some ways, competitions in China are more competitive than Kaggle. More prize money and REAL job offers attract a lot of researchers.
", "votes": 7, "replies": [] }, { "id": 328032, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-13T07:36:46.050000", "content": "", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 328081, "author_name": "yimacs", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-13T09:54:07.123000", "content": "that's how I feel as well.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 326473, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T19:34:17.850000", "content": "It is funny to be downvoted for stating a true and verifiable fact.
\n\nIt is because I wrote 'I hope this is not a trend, being from Europe' ? I though the Smiley would show I'm not serious about it.
\n\nI also thought we are data scientists here, and that looking at data would not trigger any dispute. I merely looked at data here, everyone can check that I stated a true fact.
\n\nAnyway, if people want to downvote for whatever reason, then I hope they feel better after it.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 327331, "author_name": "Feiyang Pan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-11T09:52:42.993000", "content": "So... Welcome to China!
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 327353, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-11T10:56:19.940000", "content": "I've been to China several times, I like it.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 327369, "author_name": "Feiyang Pan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-11T11:41:40.553000", "content": "Wow... Feel free to contact us next time you come!
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 327372, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-11T11:44:51.380000", "content": "Will do!
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 327373, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-11T11:47:17.470000", "content": "Last time I was there I presented on Zhihu Live: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/26586181
", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 327719, "author_name": "yyqing", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-12T09:13:35.500000", "content": "Woo! Zhihu Live from you! Awesome!
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 327720, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-12T09:14:42.240000", "content": "Thanks, I was very honored to be able to present there.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 328211, "author_name": "xuan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-13T17:19:43.477000", "content": "holy shit, as a zhihu / kaggle user on both sides I missed this, really thanks for mentioning
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 326341, "author_name": "Ahmet Erdem", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T15:30:06.040000", "content": "Is this analysis based on residence or citizenship? And how do you know about @bestfitting? Since he has no info on his profile and he is very successful, i was thinking he is an AI:)
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 326346, "author_name": "Yifan Xie", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T15:38:10.877000", "content": "whether he is AI or not, @divrikwicky, he is based in the chinese city of Changsha, according to this: \nhttps://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/12/12/how-a-bike-trip-led-to-a-win-for-rainforest-protection/
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326348, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T15:39:16.310000", "content": "@Yifan Xie, thanks.
\n\nSame info is also available on Kaggle: http://blog.kaggle.com/2018/05/07/profiling-top-kagglers-bestfitting-currently-1-in-the-world/
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326351, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T15:40:41.320000", "content": "@Ahmet, I looked at Kaggle profiles, except for @bestfitting. I guess it is about location more than citizenship.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326399, "author_name": "yyqing", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T16:30:52.270000", "content": "Changsha is a city, my hometown is nearby there.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 327991, "author_name": "pocket", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-13T05:17:02.703000", "content": "You did the recruit competition, right?
\nYou must remember the golden week effect
I remember the effect but not when it would occur in 2018 ;)
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 326890, "author_name": "Perfect Is Shit", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T13:15:54.910000", "content": "I think there are many reasons for that, but the most important could be that machine learning(or AI) is becoming popular in China, many big companies and universities focus on this field. And Kaggle is a good place to learn and to do something in this field.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326758, "author_name": "superz", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T09:26:14.800000", "content": "some of Chinese people just work harder
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326763, "author_name": "xuan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T09:32:52.377000", "content": "There are many AI Competitions in China in the last two years.As I know,There are 15+ AI Competitions( Active Competitions) in China now. We have experience.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 326767, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T09:42:25.683000", "content": "Thanks, that's what I was thinking. It explains how people from China can get a gold in their first Kaggle competition so often.
\n\nI am aware of Tianchi. Are there other popular competition platforms in China?
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326792, "author_name": "xuan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T10:50:56.070000", "content": "competition platforms ：tianchi，DataCastle，DataFountain，BdRace，biendata，Kesci ... and many big companys have their independent AI Competitions ：Tencent,Alibaba , ant financial ,baidu, kuaishou, mobai,meituan,didi,huawei,sohu...
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326794, "author_name": "HAO", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T10:56:25.373000", "content": "You can have a check here: https://dc.cloud.alipay.com/index#/compet/topics https://challenger.ai/competitions?lan=en http://algo.qq.com/home/home/index.html https://jdata.jd.com/html/detail.html?tab=myteam&id=2 ， some of which don't provide English version.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326846, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T12:25:34.853000", "content": "@xuan, @LastRocky, many thanks. Maybe learning Mandarin is worth it for me now!
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 326395, "author_name": "aeevrubin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T16:26:26.230000", "content": "Have you noticed the \"Far East\" contains countries that are the most populated?
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 326405, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T16:35:54.290000", "content": "This could be an explanation, but if that was it then we should see more US people.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326461, "author_name": "aeevrubin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T19:09:42.787000", "content": "The logic of this statement eludes me.
", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326471, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T19:31:52.943000", "content": "\n\n\nThe logic of this statement eludes me.
\n
Let me try to spell it. You wrote:
\n\n\n\n\nHave you noticed the \"Far East\" contains countries that are the most populated?
\n
I understood it as: a more populated country has more chance to get people in the top.
\n\nEquivalently, the ratio of people at the top is proportional to the population in their country. Given USA is far more populated than Japan, I would expect more US people at the top that Japanese.
\n\nIs that clearer now?
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326479, "author_name": "aeevrubin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T19:45:30.587000", "content": "Ah, I get it now. So you are not considering any possible confounding factors or accounting for statistical fluctuations before concluding that you've zeroed in on a meaningful trend.
", "votes": -2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326501, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T20:27:20.160000", "content": "I'm not concluding anything, I stated a fact. You can interpret the way you wish.
\n\nYou're the one who tried to give a statistical meaning to that fact, not me.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326504, "author_name": "aeevrubin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T20:46:11.337000", "content": "I simply asked if you noticed something that I noticed... just like you did.
\n\nHere's some other things I noticed: you came in sixth, this post is about the top 5 teams, no one from the \"Far East\" has made comments about people from other parts of the world winning competitions, the top 5 teams are composed of 13 people who list their locations (which may or may not correspond to their place of birth, their parents' place or birth, where they were raised/educated) 1 USA, 1 Greece, 1 Netherlands, 2 Austria, this quote from the \"Far East\" wikipedia entry ['Concerning the term, John K. Fairbank and Edwin O. Reischauer, professors of East Asian Studies at Harvard University, wrote (in East Asia: The Great Tradition): \"When Europeans traveled far to the east to reach Cathay, Japan and the Indies, they naturally gave those distant regions the general name 'Far East.' Americans who reached China, Japan and Southeast Asia by sail and steam across the Pacific could, with equal logic, have called that area the 'Far West.' For the people who live in that part of the world, however, it is neither 'East' nor 'West' and certainly not 'Far.' A more generally acceptable term for the area is 'East Asia,' which is geographically more precise and does not imply the outdated notion that Europe is the center of the civilized world.\"[4]'] + more
", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326507, "author_name": "Ahmet Erdem", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T20:57:17.740000", "content": "I don't understand the discussion here exactly. None of you has bad intentions, you just misunderstand each other. As a side note, if Dutch in this list is me, I am Turkish so West Asian:)
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326508, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T21:00:47.750000", "content": "\n\nFair enough. It's a bit late here ;)
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326512, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T21:04:46.550000", "content": "@AhmetErdem, I was discussing location actually, but if we look at citizenship i think we have an even larger proportion of people from Asia, based on the pseudo they selected. Your are an example of this.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326516, "author_name": "aeevrubin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T21:11:18.940000", "content": "That's interesting. A location listed in a profile might not even represent how a person identifies.\nI have edited my comment to reflect that information.
", "votes": -2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326834, "author_name": "Erik Bruin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T12:00:24.147000", "content": "Dutch people are hard to find on Kaggle anyway. I have only seen a few typical Dutch names. I guess we are better at traveling and stuff like that ;-)
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 326386, "author_name": "yyqing", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T16:13:57.477000", "content": "Maybe because the TalkingData is a Chinese company. (I'm also a Chinese, even my rank is far away from top)
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 326404, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T16:34:35.367000", "content": "I am not sure culture played a role. @Yifan Xie shared a very interesting article on click farms that helped understanding what we deal with here: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/55054
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 327109, "author_name": "aeevrubin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T20:40:13.413000", "content": "Have you noticed that top 5 teams have at least one member that is a Competitions Master/Grandmaster if not all members?
\n\nI hope this is not a trend ;)
\n\nP.S. Despite the fact I insinuated this could be a trend, I'm not concluding anything, I stated a fact. You can interpret the way you wish.
", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326475, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T19:41:24.530000", "content": "Note that 7th team is all from Russia, could be seen as part of Asia, and 8th team is from Far East too.
", "votes": -2, "replies": [ { "id": 326482, "author_name": "KALE", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T19:53:31.407000", "content": "And rank 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 are from Asia too.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326920, "author_name": "Ee Kin Chin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T14:10:04.593000", "content": "one guy in 18 from Asia 😂
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 326520, "author_name": "Jihye Sofia Seo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T21:28:34.020000", "content": "China has huge population.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 326720, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-10T08:24:40.837000", "content": "Sure.
\n\nIs that relevant?
\n\nIf it is relevant, then see this discussion: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/56420#326395
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "326472": "Well, I also observed that Chinese and Russian names pop-up in the top of the LB. Might this be related to the STEM (and especially mathematics) high standards in high school and university in these countries? As well as the recent high attention given to AI and ML by Government both in Russia and China ?\n\nhttp://fortune.com/2017/09/04/ai-artificial-intelligence-putin-rule-world/\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/business/china-artificial-intelligence.html\n\n", "328571": "Though I’ve lived a really long time in Canada, I started out in Russia. I’m not hundred percent sure what the education there is like now, but I do remember that the academic rigour in subjects related to math was leaps ahead of anything I’ve seen in Canadian (or American) schools. By grade 5 we covered a lot of material that in Canada I’ve only encountered in grade 10. When I went to school in Canada, immigrants from Eastern Europe and Asia found Canadian math curriculum pretty much a joke. People with ‘C’ averages in their original countries were suddenly ‘A’ students in math. The advantages translated to university and so on. \n\nEssentially Asia and Russia follow a ‘learn-by-drilling-and-practicing-a-lot’ math curriculums. By the time the kids grow up, they have a pretty solid grasp of basic mathematical concepts and can build on them. While, at least in North America, general public education has shifted to a ‘learn-by-discovery-homework-is-bad’ kind of attitude. For instance, elementary school students here are not exposed to multi-step word problems, they learn multiplication by endlessly adding things up (no memorization of the table is expected), in grade 5 are still literally doing questions like 22 + 10. Unless kids go to special schools or have really focused parents who supplement public education, they really don’t learn that much and tend to fall off the math-oriented paths. The really driven ones have to do a lot of catching up on their own. And the ones with special schools/programs/supplementary books are unsurprisingly also more likely to have parents from Asian and Eastern European backgrounds.\n\nAdd that up to China actively promoting machine learning, and it's no surprise that they have a lot of people both interested and capable of figuring out this field, compared to North America.\n", "326329": "Have you noticed that top 5 teams have at least one member from China or Japan, if not all members? This is impressive.\n\nI hope this is not a trend, being from Europe ;) \n\n*Edited title from 'Far East ' to 'East Asia'.*", "326909": "It was a [Golden Week](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Week_(Japan))(The National Holiday) in Japan from April 28th to May 6th.\nSo this competition which ends on May 8th was very good timing for many Japanese including me. :)", "326900": "I have had a look at some of these chinese platforms, the competition topics themselves are quite interesting, but the activity on the forum, and the sharing facilities were a lot more limited compare to Kaggle. There is also the perception that folks on Kaggle are a lot more open at sharing their solutions.\n\nPersonally, after many years living in Europe, I have probably become a bit too liberal than I care to admit and I found the registration of most of these chinese platform asking way too many personal questions! :p ", "326473": "It is funny to be downvoted for stating a true and verifiable fact. \n\n It is because I wrote 'I hope this is not a trend, being from Europe' ? I though the Smiley would show I'm not serious about it.\n\nI also thought we are data scientists here, and that looking at data would not trigger any dispute. I merely looked at data here, everyone can check that I stated a true fact.\n\nAnyway, if people want to downvote for whatever reason, then I hope they feel better after it.", "327331": "So... Welcome to China!", "326341": "Is this analysis based on residence or citizenship? And how do you know about @bestfitting? Since he has no info on his profile and he is very successful, i was thinking he is an AI:)", "327991": "You did the recruit competition, right?