{
  "id": 56201,
  "title": "Is there any way that .9811 csv file can be traced and ignored ?",
  "url": "/competitions/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/56201",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2018-05-07T17:16:50.421697500Z",
  "votes": 16,
  "comment_count": 16,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Is there any way that .9811 csv file can be traced and ignored ? Just curious. It is disheartening for first timers like me, who has no access to high computational power systems and has worked throughout to reach .9810</p>\n\n<p>A kind request to kaggle adminstrators. And now in frustration, i am also going to submit the same file and in the process, going to waste my \"1 submission\" for  the day,</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "324410",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 17:16:50",
      "content": "<p>Is there any way that .9811 csv file can be traced and ignored ? Just curious. It is disheartening for first timers like me, who has no access to high computational power systems and has worked throughout to reach .9810</p>\n\n<p>A kind request to kaggle adminstrators. And now in frustration, i am also going to submit the same file and in the process, going to waste my \"1 submission\" for  the day,</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Is there any way that .9811 csv file can be traced and ignored ? Just curious. It is disheartening for first timers like me, who has no access to high computational power systems and has worked throughout to reach .9810\n\nA kind request to kaggle adminstrators. And now in frustration, i am also going to submit the same file and in the process, going to waste my \"1 submission\" for  the day,",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324449",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 17:55:24",
      "content": "<p>I may have no choice but to average that kernel's data with mine when I get home (which will be at 5 pm EST).  So not sure if I will have the time.  I was ranked 225 yesterday evening.  Basically dropped like a rock.\nActually, I just realized that I don't have any more submissions.  </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I may have no choice but to average that kernel's data with mine when I get home (which will be at 5 pm EST).  So not sure if I will have the time.  I was ranked 225 yesterday evening.  Basically dropped like a rock.\nActually, I just realized that I don't have any more submissions.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324466",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 18:13:31",
      "content": "<p>It was a steep learning curve, till now. Unfortunately, i never wanted this to be a part of my learning, but !\nNo worries, if this is how it is, be it! I'll see what i can do. I have 2 submissions left for the day.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It was a steep learning curve, till now. Unfortunately, i never wanted this to be a part of my learning, but !\nNo worries, if this is how it is, be it! I'll see what i can do. I have 2 submissions left for the day.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324480",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 18:27:19",
      "content": "<p>@ Akarsh Raj </p>\n\n<p>Suggest you dontt submit the 0.9811 file.  I am raising this issue with the Kaggle administrators and I expect more people to share my opinion. This was a discussion I had with an administrator a few days ago <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/51142#324464\">NO SHARING OF CSV's</a></p>\n\n<p>He clearly mentioned that files cannot be shared outside the team. Ideally Kaggle should disqualify teams having the exact same output file as a single file or in the data file for a blend. </p>\n\n<p>Regards\nShanth</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Akarsh Raj \n\nSuggest you dontt submit the 0.9811 file.  I am raising this issue with the Kaggle administrators and I expect more people to share my opinion. This was a discussion I had with an administrator a few days ago [NO SHARING OF CSV's][1]\n\nHe clearly mentioned that files cannot be shared outside the team. Ideally Kaggle should disqualify teams having the exact same output file as a single file or in the data file for a blend. \n\n  [1]: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/51142#324464\n\nRegards\nShanth",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324482",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 18:28:48",
      "content": "<p>I understand the feeling, I worked my way up to top 10% and I have dropped drastically since then.  It is disheartening.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I understand the feeling, I worked my way up to top 10% and I have dropped drastically since then.  It is disheartening.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324494",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 18:43:24",
      "content": "<p>just noticed i dropped 300+ ranks in the last three days because of this...</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "just noticed i dropped 300+ ranks in the last three days because of this...",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324637",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 21:41:52",
      "content": "<p>I feel it should be hard to track, as many people use it to blend with their own model...</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I feel it should be hard to track, as many people use it to blend with their own model...",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324653",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 21:58:56",
      "content": "<p>I want to opt out of this competition !!\nI m really pissed about this last minute kernel and I also pissed that my participation is benefiting other competitor given the situation ! </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I want to opt out of this competition !!\nI m really pissed about this last minute kernel and I also pissed that my participation is benefiting other competitor given the situation !",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324660",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 22:02:23",
      "content": "<p>@shanth ...I see you followed up on this in a different thread but perhaps Akarsh Raj is not aware.  Their file sharing was technically legal, just really hurtful to the competition.  I could see them eliminating anyone who reused his file as their own.  Hopefully they will deal with this before Avito and TrackML come to a close.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "shanth ...I see you followed up on this in a different thread but perhaps Akarsh Raj is not aware.  Their file sharing was technically legal, just really hurtful to the competition.  I could see them eliminating anyone who reused his file as their own.  Hopefully they will deal with this before Avito and TrackML come to a close.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324661",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 22:02:36",
      "content": "<p>While you may be able to eliminate the people who just directly copy and pasted the file (this would be good), it would be almost impossible to trace the people who blended it into their own model.  It is totally disheartening.  My model is finishing up now and I'm eager to see if it will beat 0.9811 or not.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "While you may be able to eliminate the people who just directly copy and pasted the file (this would be good), it would be almost impossible to trace the people who blended it into their own model.  It is totally disheartening.  My model is finishing up now and I'm eager to see if it will beat 0.9811 or not.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324712",
      "postDate": "05/07/2018 22:44:35",
      "content": "<p>It is so \"the word you know\" disappointed, at this moment I still try to reach 0.98 (0.9799 now). I tried to use the whole dataset to run, and the features should be removed a lot, I tried to remove them one by one and finally find the best combination of them, one more will lead kernel dead, and it is still working! But an easiest way is blend with a 0.9811 answer, what a joke here.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It is so \"the word you know\" disappointed, at this moment I still try to reach 0.98 (0.9799 now). I tried to use the whole dataset to run, and the features should be removed a lot, I tried to remove them one by one and finally find the best combination of them, one more will lead kernel dead, and it is still working! But an easiest way is blend with a 0.9811 answer, what a joke here.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324817",
      "postDate": "05/08/2018 00:19:17",
      "content": "<p>Is it possible to eliminate any submissions after that 0.9811 csv file was released (basically this morning)? Since there is no way to tell if people used that file to blend with their own model or not. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Is it possible to eliminate any submissions after that 0.9811 csv file was released (basically this morning)? Since there is no way to tell if people used that file to blend with their own model or not.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324820",
      "postDate": "05/08/2018 00:23:12",
      "content": "<p>It's not against the rules to post or use the 0.9811 submission. I think it's pretty clear that the rules need an update.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It's not against the rules to post or use the 0.9811 submission. I think it's pretty clear that the rules need an update.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324887",
      "postDate": "05/08/2018 01:14:31",
      "content": "<p>it ruins this competition. sad.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "it ruins this competition. sad.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "324950",
      "postDate": "05/08/2018 02:07:44",
      "content": "<p>at the last moment,I try to get to 0.9803. I was so happy ，When I get the score. but When I get up from bed this morning，I was so upset to see other submit the same 09811 file.... sad </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "at the last moment,I try to get to 0.9803. I was so happy ，When I get the score. but When I get up from bed this morning，I was so upset to see other submit the same 09811 file.... sad",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "326037",
      "postDate": "05/09/2018 07:14:11",
      "content": "<p>Me too.  F word to this file....</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Me too.  F word to this file....",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "326051",
      "postDate": "05/09/2018 07:37:19",
      "content": "<p>suggest no kernel and no discussions last week before deadline. \nactually, in last 7 days,   discussion and kernels decreased a lot and  give little nutrition, but give a chance for these spoilers. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "suggest no kernel and no discussions last week before deadline. \nactually, in last 7 days,   discussion and kernels decreased a lot and  give little nutrition, but give a chance for these spoilers.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 324449,
      "author_name": "darin59",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2018 17:55:24",
      "content": "<p>I may have no choice but to average that kernel's data with mine when I get home (which will be at 5 pm EST).  So not sure if I will have the time.  I was ranked 225 yesterday evening.  Basically dropped like a rock.\nActually, I just realized that I don't have any more submissions.  </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 324466,
          "author_name": "akarshrajsingh",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/07/2018 18:13:31",
          "content": "<p>It was a steep learning curve, till now. Unfortunately, i never wanted this to be a part of my learning, but !\nNo worries, if this is how it is, be it! I'll see what i can do. I have 2 submissions left for the day.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 324480,
          "author_name": "shanth84",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/07/2018 18:27:19",
          "content": "<p>@ Akarsh Raj </p>\n\n<p>Suggest you dontt submit the 0.9811 file.  I am raising this issue with the Kaggle administrators and I expect more people to share my opinion. This was a discussion I had with an administrator a few days ago <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/51142#324464\">NO SHARING OF CSV's</a></p>\n\n<p>He clearly mentioned that files cannot be shared outside the team. Ideally Kaggle should disqualify teams having the exact same output file as a single file or in the data file for a blend. </p>\n\n<p>Regards\nShanth</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 324660,
          "author_name": "matthewa313",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/07/2018 22:02:23",
          "content": "<p>@shanth ...I see you followed up on this in a different thread but perhaps Akarsh Raj is not aware.  Their file sharing was technically legal, just really hurtful to the competition.  I could see them eliminating anyone who reused his file as their own.  Hopefully they will deal with this before Avito and TrackML come to a close.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 324482,
      "author_name": "cgundlach",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2018 18:28:48",
      "content": "<p>I understand the feeling, I worked my way up to top 10% and I have dropped drastically since then.  It is disheartening.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324494,
      "author_name": "yimacs",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2018 18:43:24",
      "content": "<p>just noticed i dropped 300+ ranks in the last three days because of this...</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324637,
      "author_name": "chengju",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2018 21:41:52",
      "content": "<p>I feel it should be hard to track, as many people use it to blend with their own model...</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324653,
      "author_name": "chabir",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2018 21:58:56",
      "content": "<p>I want to opt out of this competition !!\nI m really pissed about this last minute kernel and I also pissed that my participation is benefiting other competitor given the situation ! </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324661,
      "author_name": "matthewa313",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2018 22:02:36",
      "content": "<p>While you may be able to eliminate the people who just directly copy and pasted the file (this would be good), it would be almost impossible to trace the people who blended it into their own model.  It is totally disheartening.  My model is finishing up now and I'm eager to see if it will beat 0.9811 or not.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324712,
      "author_name": "creamiracle",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2018 22:44:35",
      "content": "<p>It is so \"the word you know\" disappointed, at this moment I still try to reach 0.98 (0.9799 now). I tried to use the whole dataset to run, and the features should be removed a lot, I tried to remove them one by one and finally find the best combination of them, one more will lead kernel dead, and it is still working! But an easiest way is blend with a 0.9811 answer, what a joke here.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324817,
      "author_name": "liyinxiao",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/08/2018 00:19:17",
      "content": "<p>Is it possible to eliminate any submissions after that 0.9811 csv file was released (basically this morning)? Since there is no way to tell if people used that file to blend with their own model or not. </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324820,
      "author_name": "danieljbrooks",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/08/2018 00:23:12",
      "content": "<p>It's not against the rules to post or use the 0.9811 submission. I think it's pretty clear that the rules need an update.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324887,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/08/2018 01:14:31",
      "content": "<p>it ruins this competition. sad.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 324950,
      "author_name": "liuhdsgoal",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/08/2018 02:07:44",
      "content": "<p>at the last moment,I try to get to 0.9803. I was so happy ，When I get the score. but When I get up from bed this morning，I was so upset to see other submit the same 09811 file.... sad </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 326037,
          "author_name": "yulinguo",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/09/2018 07:14:11",
          "content": "<p>Me too.  F word to this file....</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 326051,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/09/2018 07:37:19",
      "content": "<p>suggest no kernel and no discussions last week before deadline. \nactually, in last 7 days,   discussion and kernels decreased a lot and  give little nutrition, but give a chance for these spoilers. </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    }
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    "324410": "Is there any way that .9811 csv file can be traced and ignored ? Just curious. It is disheartening for first timers like me, who has no access to high computational power systems and has worked throughout to reach .9810\n\nA kind request to kaggle adminstrators. And now in frustration, i am also going to submit the same file and in the process, going to waste my \"1 submission\" for  the day,",
    "324449": "I may have no choice but to average that kernel's data with mine when I get home (which will be at 5 pm EST).  So not sure if I will have the time.  I was ranked 225 yesterday evening.  Basically dropped like a rock.\nActually, I just realized that I don't have any more submissions.",
    "324466": "It was a steep learning curve, till now. Unfortunately, i never wanted this to be a part of my learning, but !\nNo worries, if this is how it is, be it! I'll see what i can do. I have 2 submissions left for the day.",
    "324480": "Akarsh Raj \n\nSuggest you dontt submit the 0.9811 file.  I am raising this issue with the Kaggle administrators and I expect more people to share my opinion. This was a discussion I had with an administrator a few days ago [NO SHARING OF CSV's][1]\n\nHe clearly mentioned that files cannot be shared outside the team. Ideally Kaggle should disqualify teams having the exact same output file as a single file or in the data file for a blend. \n\n  [1]: https://www.kaggle.com/c/talkingdata-adtracking-fraud-detection/discussion/51142#324464\n\nRegards\nShanth",
    "324482": "I understand the feeling, I worked my way up to top 10% and I have dropped drastically since then.  It is disheartening.",
    "324494": "just noticed i dropped 300+ ranks in the last three days because of this...",
    "324637": "I feel it should be hard to track, as many people use it to blend with their own model...",
    "324653": "I want to opt out of this competition !!\nI m really pissed about this last minute kernel and I also pissed that my participation is benefiting other competitor given the situation !",
    "324660": "shanth ...I see you followed up on this in a different thread but perhaps Akarsh Raj is not aware.  Their file sharing was technically legal, just really hurtful to the competition.  I could see them eliminating anyone who reused his file as their own.  Hopefully they will deal with this before Avito and TrackML come to a close.",
    "324661": "While you may be able to eliminate the people who just directly copy and pasted the file (this would be good), it would be almost impossible to trace the people who blended it into their own model.  It is totally disheartening.  My model is finishing up now and I'm eager to see if it will beat 0.9811 or not.",
    "324712": "It is so \"the word you know\" disappointed, at this moment I still try to reach 0.98 (0.9799 now). I tried to use the whole dataset to run, and the features should be removed a lot, I tried to remove them one by one and finally find the best combination of them, one more will lead kernel dead, and it is still working! But an easiest way is blend with a 0.9811 answer, what a joke here.",
    "324817": "Is it possible to eliminate any submissions after that 0.9811 csv file was released (basically this morning)? Since there is no way to tell if people used that file to blend with their own model or not.",
    "324820": "It's not against the rules to post or use the 0.9811 submission. I think it's pretty clear that the rules need an update.",
    "324887": "it ruins this competition. sad.",
    "324950": "at the last moment,I try to get to 0.9803. I was so happy ，When I get the score. but When I get up from bed this morning，I was so upset to see other submit the same 09811 file.... sad",
    "326037": "Me too.  F word to this file....",
    "326051": "suggest no kernel and no discussions last week before deadline. \nactually, in last 7 days,   discussion and kernels decreased a lot and  give little nutrition, but give a chance for these spoilers."
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