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  "id": 449084,
  "title": "Out of ideas",
  "url": "/competitions/stanford-ribonanza-rna-folding/discussion/449084",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2023-10-23T03:22:38.219862500Z",
  "votes": 6,
  "comment_count": 8,
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  "content": "<p>Could you guys share and discuss some new ideas? (Without compromising the competition's and Kaggle's rules of course). I have been stuck for a couple of weeks now and none of my new ideas have been able to improve the performance - how can one use features like the signal to noise, etc?</p>",
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    {
      "id": "2492926",
      "postDate": "10/23/2023 03:22:38",
      "content": "<p>Could you guys share and discuss some new ideas? (Without compromising the competition's and Kaggle's rules of course). I have been stuck for a couple of weeks now and none of my new ideas have been able to improve the performance - how can one use features like the signal to noise, etc?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Could you guys share and discuss some new ideas? (Without compromising the competition's and Kaggle's rules of course). I have been stuck for a couple of weeks now and none of my new ideas have been able to improve the performance - how can one use features like the signal to noise, etc?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2492980",
      "postDate": "10/23/2023 04:53:53",
      "content": "<p>No free lunch theorem! Keep grinding :)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "No free lunch theorem! Keep grinding :)",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2493074",
      "postDate": "10/23/2023 06:28:58",
      "content": "<p>I tried to use conv but my training stuck at some point not improve i dont know why have you face this i wonder that if conv layers are effective or not here?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I tried to use conv but my training stuck at some point not improve i dont know why have you face this i wonder that if conv layers are effective or not here?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2493733",
      "postDate": "10/23/2023 14:41:50",
      "content": "<p>Yes I faced the same issue</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Yes I faced the same issue",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2494015",
      "postDate": "10/23/2023 17:08:37",
      "content": "<p>You could try pulling in more training data from <a href=\"https://rmdb.stanford.edu/\" target=\"_blank\">RMDB</a> or <a href=\"https://github.com/eternagame/EternaBench\" target=\"_blank\">EternaBench</a> or any other sources of RNA structure data you can find.</p>\n<p>A really good model needs to understand 3D structure, which is a tall challenge. Has anyone explored AlphaFold style Evoformer modules?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "You could try pulling in more training data from [RMDB](https://rmdb.stanford.edu/) or [EternaBench](https://github.com/eternagame/EternaBench) or any other sources of RNA structure data you can find.\n\nA really good model needs to understand 3D structure, which is a tall challenge. Has anyone explored AlphaFold style Evoformer modules?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2494024",
      "postDate": "10/23/2023 17:16:15",
      "content": "<p>How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No,How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No I have not tried AF style models</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No,How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No I have not tried AF style models",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2496303",
      "postDate": "10/24/2023 00:05:25",
      "content": "<p>Are you talking about the <a href=\"https://rmdb.stanford.edu/\" target=\"_blank\">RMDB</a>? The data are freely available, no registration required. If you go to <a href=\"https://rmdb.stanford.edu/browse/\" target=\"_blank\">https://rmdb.stanford.edu/browse/</a>, there's a sidebar on the left title \"Categories\" which includes a button to download selected files (by default, all the rdats published on the RMDB).</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Are you talking about the [RMDB](https://rmdb.stanford.edu/)? The data are freely available, no registration required. If you go to https://rmdb.stanford.edu/browse/, there's a sidebar on the left title \"Categories\" which includes a button to download selected files (by default, all the rdats published on the RMDB).",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2496315",
      "postDate": "10/24/2023 00:43:40",
      "content": "<p>Thanks - Yes I was talking about RMDB. I also tried the Eterna github but no luck</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks - Yes I was talking about RMDB. I also tried the Eterna github but no luck",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2503924",
      "postDate": "10/29/2023 14:46:47",
      "content": "<p>Thanks Tomas! Do you by chance have pointers on how to process that data?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks Tomas! Do you by chance have pointers on how to process that data?",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2492980,
      "author_name": "callmeb",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "10/23/2023 04:53:53",
      "content": "<p>No free lunch theorem! Keep grinding :)</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2493074,
      "author_name": "kirtirajsinhparmar",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "10/23/2023 06:28:58",
      "content": "<p>I tried to use conv but my training stuck at some point not improve i dont know why have you face this i wonder that if conv layers are effective or not here?</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2493733,
          "author_name": "bonaventurefpdossou",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "10/23/2023 14:41:50",
          "content": "<p>Yes I faced the same issue</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2494015,
      "author_name": "digitalembrace",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "10/23/2023 17:08:37",
      "content": "<p>You could try pulling in more training data from <a href=\"https://rmdb.stanford.edu/\" target=\"_blank\">RMDB</a> or <a href=\"https://github.com/eternagame/EternaBench\" target=\"_blank\">EternaBench</a> or any other sources of RNA structure data you can find.</p>\n<p>A really good model needs to understand 3D structure, which is a tall challenge. Has anyone explored AlphaFold style Evoformer modules?</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2494024,
          "author_name": "bonaventurefpdossou",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "10/23/2023 17:16:15",
          "content": "<p>How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No,How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No I have not tried AF style models</p>",
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          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2496303,
              "author_name": "brainbowrna",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "10/24/2023 00:05:25",
              "content": "<p>Are you talking about the <a href=\"https://rmdb.stanford.edu/\" target=\"_blank\">RMDB</a>? The data are freely available, no registration required. If you go to <a href=\"https://rmdb.stanford.edu/browse/\" target=\"_blank\">https://rmdb.stanford.edu/browse/</a>, there's a sidebar on the left title \"Categories\" which includes a button to download selected files (by default, all the rdats published on the RMDB).</p>",
              "votes": null,
              "replies": [
                {
                  "id": 2496315,
                  "author_name": "bonaventurefpdossou",
                  "author_url": "",
                  "post_date": "10/24/2023 00:43:40",
                  "content": "<p>Thanks - Yes I was talking about RMDB. I also tried the Eterna github but no luck</p>",
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                },
                {
                  "id": 2503924,
                  "author_name": "marianig82",
                  "author_url": "",
                  "post_date": "10/29/2023 14:46:47",
                  "content": "<p>Thanks Tomas! Do you by chance have pointers on how to process that data?</p>",
                  "votes": null,
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    "2492926": "Could you guys share and discuss some new ideas? (Without compromising the competition's and Kaggle's rules of course). I have been stuck for a couple of weeks now and none of my new ideas have been able to improve the performance - how can one use features like the signal to noise, etc?",
    "2492980": "No free lunch theorem! Keep grinding :)",
    "2493074": "I tried to use conv but my training stuck at some point not improve i dont know why have you face this i wonder that if conv layers are effective or not here?",
    "2493733": "Yes I faced the same issue",
    "2494015": "You could try pulling in more training data from [RMDB](https://rmdb.stanford.edu/) or [EternaBench](https://github.com/eternagame/EternaBench) or any other sources of RNA structure data you can find.\n\nA really good model needs to understand 3D structure, which is a tall challenge. Has anyone explored AlphaFold style Evoformer modules?",
    "2494024": "How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No,How to access the data? I signed up but could not get access to it. No I have not tried AF style models",
    "2496303": "Are you talking about the [RMDB](https://rmdb.stanford.edu/)? The data are freely available, no registration required. If you go to https://rmdb.stanford.edu/browse/, there's a sidebar on the left title \"Categories\" which includes a button to download selected files (by default, all the rdats published on the RMDB).",
    "2496315": "Thanks - Yes I was talking about RMDB. I also tried the Eterna github but no luck",
    "2503924": "Thanks Tomas! Do you by chance have pointers on how to process that data?"
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