Thanks for such a cool competition, I had a good time and learned a lot, the work of the organizers left a positive impression. However, recently, a new problem has come to light, and the organizers are responsible for solving it as well. These are a lot of suspicious accounts that likely have been created for additional submit or, that even worse, for selling.
\nI've already seen the corresponding discussion from the hosts. It seems like hosts promised to remove them. However, usually when hosts say like this they mean only gold medal zone cleaning. And it's really upset. There are a lot of suspicious accounts on the leaderboard, not only in the gold zone and not even only in the medal zone.
\nFrom what I can see, Kaggle's community has long been used to checking only gold medal winners. And no one follows what happens outside the gold or silver medal zone and it is not customary to talk about it. However, after the Global Wheat Detection competition experience community really trusts you, organizers. In that competition, hosts have shown us that they have a real interest in absolutely all participants, not only gold medal owners.
\nFor example, my case. I'm not far from the bronze medal zone but I can see that there are a few dozens of suspicious empty accounts which, as I already said above, have been likely created for additional submits or selling. If they were removed, I could get my first medal. Yes, I do not claim gold, the maximum that I can get is bronze. But I am the same person as the people in the Golden Zone. And there are a lot of people like me.
\nBased on all of the above, I demand that you delete suspicious accounts across the entire leaderboard, not just in the gold zone. We are willing to wait for this. The rules should apply to everyone.
\nP.S. If you don't understand what it is about, check out this discussion.
\nUPD: It seems like cleaning has started. I went up to 50 places. But there are still many suspects. I think it's in process. Please, keep it up.
", "messages": [ { "id": 975732, "postDate": "2020-08-18T12:50:04.923Z", "content": "Thanks for such a cool competition, I had a good time and learned a lot, the work of the organizers left a positive impression. However, recently, a new problem has come to light, and the organizers are responsible for solving it as well. These are a lot of suspicious accounts that likely have been created for additional submit or, that even worse, for selling.
\nI've already seen the corresponding discussion from the hosts. It seems like hosts promised to remove them. However, usually when hosts say like this they mean only gold medal zone cleaning. And it's really upset. There are a lot of suspicious accounts on the leaderboard, not only in the gold zone and not even only in the medal zone.
\nFrom what I can see, Kaggle's community has long been used to checking only gold medal winners. And no one follows what happens outside the gold or silver medal zone and it is not customary to talk about it. However, after the Global Wheat Detection competition experience community really trusts you, organizers. In that competition, hosts have shown us that they have a real interest in absolutely all participants, not only gold medal owners.
\nFor example, my case. I'm not far from the bronze medal zone but I can see that there are a few dozens of suspicious empty accounts which, as I already said above, have been likely created for additional submits or selling. If they were removed, I could get my first medal. Yes, I do not claim gold, the maximum that I can get is bronze. But I am the same person as the people in the Golden Zone. And there are a lot of people like me.
\nBased on all of the above, I demand that you delete suspicious accounts across the entire leaderboard, not just in the gold zone. We are willing to wait for this. The rules should apply to everyone.
\nP.S. If you don't understand what it is about, check out this discussion.
\nUPD: It seems like cleaning has started. I went up to 50 places. But there are still many suspects. I think it's in process. Please, keep it up.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for such a cool competition, I had a good time and learned a lot, the work of the organizers left a positive impression. However, recently, a new problem has come to light, and the organizers are responsible for solving it as well. These are a lot of suspicious accounts that likely have been created for additional submit or, that even worse, for selling.\n\nI've already seen the corresponding discussion from the hosts. It seems like hosts promised to remove them. However, usually when hosts say like this they mean only gold medal zone cleaning. And it's really upset. There are a lot of suspicious accounts on the leaderboard, not only in the gold zone and not even only in the medal zone. \n\nFrom what I can see, Kaggle's community has long been used to checking only gold medal winners. And no one follows what happens outside the gold or silver medal zone and it is not customary to talk about it. However, after the Global Wheat Detection competition experience community really trusts you, organizers. In that competition, hosts have shown us that they have a real interest in absolutely all participants, not only gold medal owners.\n\nFor example, my case. I'm not far from the bronze medal zone but I can see that there are a few dozens of suspicious empty accounts which, as I already said above, have been likely created for additional submits or selling. If they were removed, I could get my first medal. Yes, I do not claim gold, the maximum that I can get is bronze. But I am the same person as the people in the Golden Zone. And there are a lot of people like me.\n\nBased on all of the above, I demand that you delete suspicious accounts across the entire leaderboard, not just in the gold zone. We are willing to wait for this. The rules should apply to everyone. \n\nP.S. If you don't understand what it is about, check out [this discussion] (https://www.kaggle.com/c/siim-isic-melanoma-classification/discussion/175156).\n\nUPD: It seems like cleaning has started. I went up to 50 places. But there are still many suspects. I think it's in process. Please, keep it up.", "votes": 20 }, { "id": 977009, "postDate": "2020-08-19T08:23:16.080Z", "content": "I think what you are saying is true to a point. But in this comp Kaggle has definitely cleaned beyond Gold/Silver.
\nIn the past Kaggle has been accused of giving a pass to Masters/GM's. Probably because removing them calls all their medals into question, and those can be many comps, with many consequences. I say do it. They should not be so conservative. yes, it will change many leaderboards but should be done.
\nTake for example team yikououbao. She has several medals already. So removing her has potential cascading effects. I say just do it, because she is set to medal in Wheat, and has provisional medals in others like Landmark.
\nIt's straight-up fraud, and no one should be able to hide from accountability, not GM's, not anyone.
", "rawMarkdown": "I think what you are saying is true to a point. But in this comp Kaggle has definitely cleaned beyond Gold/Silver.\n\nIn the past Kaggle has been accused of giving a pass to Masters/GM's. Probably because removing them calls all their medals into question, and those can be many comps, with many consequences. I say do it. They should not be so conservative. yes, it will change many leaderboards but should be done.\n\nTake for example team yikououbao. She has several medals already. So removing her has potential cascading effects. I say just do it, because she is set to medal in Wheat, and has provisional medals in others like Landmark.\n\nIt's straight-up fraud, and no one should be able to hide from accountability, not GM's, not anyone.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 976101, "postDate": "2020-08-18T16:29:28.227Z", "content": "That is true. May be next Kaggle competition should be about suspicious accounts detection?
", "rawMarkdown": "That is true. May be next Kaggle competition should be about suspicious accounts detection?", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 975901, "postDate": "2020-08-18T14:12:41.067Z", "content": "I too agree with you and I believe that kaggle team will make sure that medals goes to deserved ones.
\nBy seeing you, I think I still some hope for my first medal.
I think what you are saying is true to a point. But in this comp Kaggle has definitely cleaned beyond Gold/Silver.
\nIn the past Kaggle has been accused of giving a pass to Masters/GM's. Probably because removing them calls all their medals into question, and those can be many comps, with many consequences. I say do it. They should not be so conservative. yes, it will change many leaderboards but should be done.
\nTake for example team yikououbao. She has several medals already. So removing her has potential cascading effects. I say just do it, because she is set to medal in Wheat, and has provisional medals in others like Landmark.
\nIt's straight-up fraud, and no one should be able to hide from accountability, not GM's, not anyone.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 976101, "author_name": "Nickolay Safronov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-18T16:29:28.227000", "content": "That is true. May be next Kaggle competition should be about suspicious accounts detection?
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 975901, "author_name": "Prateek Mishra", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-18T14:12:41.067000", "content": "I too agree with you and I believe that kaggle team will make sure that medals goes to deserved ones.
\nBy seeing you, I think I still some hope for my first medal.