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Okay, I'll ask straight to the point questions. Why these deleted accounts don't get removed from the medal tier and leaderboard. I've seen this in previous competitions too, these deleted accounts which are to be precise secondary accounts of another competitor which help them to get more subs and tpu usage are don't being kicked even after the release of private leaderboard. \nAlso, there are lots of novice in medal tiers, I am not judging that all of them are secondary accounts and should be removed. But, there are 2-3 novice in silver zone who've joined kaggle a few days back and are just participating in this competition only.I believe some of them are cheating. \n*I've posted this just because those medals are getting into wrong hands instead of a deserving competitor. *
\n\n@ipythonx added: \"I've asked in ALASKA2 competition on this issue, and got replied that the user themselves delete their account, so kaggle didn't remove those position on the lb. And the reply sounds weird, I know.\" \nI have rarely seen anyone deleting their accounts on kaggle, and if he is doing so, that completely means that he doesn't even care about the ongoing competition or he is involved in some kind of malpractices. I think kaggle team should remove them too while cleaning up the private Leaderboard.
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Okay, I'll ask straight to the point questions. Why these deleted accounts don't get removed from the medal tier and leaderboard. I've seen this in previous competitions too, these deleted accounts which are to be precise secondary accounts of another competitor which help them to get more subs and tpu usage are don't being kicked even after the release of private leaderboard. \nAlso, there are lots of novice in medal tiers, I am not judging that all of them are secondary accounts and should be removed. But, there are 2-3 novice in silver zone who've joined kaggle a few days back and are just participating in this competition only.I believe some of them are cheating. \n*I've posted this just because those medals are getting into wrong hands instead of a deserving competitor. *
\n\n@ipythonx added: \"I've asked in ALASKA2 competition on this issue, and got replied that the user themselves delete their account, so kaggle didn't remove those position on the lb. And the reply sounds weird, I know.\" \nI have rarely seen anyone deleting their accounts on kaggle, and if he is doing so, that completely means that he doesn't even care about the ongoing competition or he is involved in some kind of malpractices. I think kaggle team should remove them too while cleaning up the private Leaderboard.
", "rawMarkdown": ".png?generation=1596385143454287&alt=media)\n.png?generation=1596385149569174&alt=media)\n\nOkay, I'll ask straight to the point questions. Why these deleted accounts don't get removed from the medal tier and leaderboard. I've seen this in previous competitions too, these deleted accounts which are to be precise secondary accounts of another competitor which help them to get more subs and tpu usage are don't being kicked even after the release of private leaderboard. \nAlso, there are lots of novice in medal tiers, I am not judging that all of them are secondary accounts and should be removed. But, there are 2-3 novice in silver zone who've joined kaggle a few days back and are just participating in this competition only.I believe some of them are cheating. \n*I've posted this just because those medals are getting into wrong hands instead of a deserving competitor. *\n\n@ipythonx added: \"I've asked in ALASKA2 competition on this issue, and got replied that the user themselves delete their account, so kaggle didn't remove those position on the lb. And the reply sounds weird, I know.\" \nI have rarely seen anyone deleting their accounts on kaggle, and if he is doing so, that completely means that he doesn't even care about the ongoing competition or he is involved in some kind of malpractices. I think kaggle team should remove them too while cleaning up the private Leaderboard. ", "votes": 22 }, { "id": 956943, "postDate": "2020-08-04T00:43:29.040Z", "content": "Thanks for raising this. As a standard, we don't do mid-stream removals, in order to preserve traceability and mitigate against the same offenders re-creating new accounts. So, as someone else observed, we clean the leaderboard at the end of the competition. Depending on the circumstances, deleted accounts may be retained, especially if the deletion happens after the end of the competition, as we do not constantly refresh standings based on newly deleted accounts into perpetuity. You've raised valid concerns, and we'll continue to keep a close eye to ensuring that this cleanup happens as consistently as possible.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for raising this. As a standard, we don't do mid-stream removals, in order to preserve traceability and mitigate against the same offenders re-creating new accounts. So, as someone else observed, we clean the leaderboard at the end of the competition. Depending on the circumstances, deleted accounts may be retained, especially if the deletion happens after the end of the competition, as we do not constantly refresh standings based on newly deleted accounts into perpetuity. You've raised valid concerns, and we'll continue to keep a close eye to ensuring that this cleanup happens as consistently as possible.", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 961814, "postDate": "2020-08-07T14:17:28.913Z", "content": "@juliaelliott
\nso, are you saying it'll be totally removed after cleaning the leaderboard? If so, I've raised an issue on this, but got different reply!
https://www.kaggle.com/c/alaska2-image-steganalysis/discussion/170537
", "rawMarkdown": "@juliaelliott\nso, are you saying it'll be totally removed after cleaning the leaderboard? If so, I've raised an issue on this, but got different reply!\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/alaska2-image-steganalysis/discussion/170537", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 974476, "postDate": "2020-08-18T00:42:03.213Z", "content": "![\"\"](\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F1738095%2F50704f2824389e80fcbc5e6c05439f0b%2Fdeleted_users.png?generation=1597711164198348&alt=media\")
There seems to be quite a number of deleted users in the private leaderboard medal zone, especially in the silver range! It will be great if this issue can be investigated alongside the issue of medal farms and private sharing in recent threads @juliaelliott Kaggle Team et. al.
\nAnd @ipythonx glad that you have (somewhat) survived the shakeup as well! :)
", "rawMarkdown": "\n\nThere seems to be quite a number of deleted users in the **private leaderboard medal zone**, especially in the silver range! It will be great if this issue can be investigated alongside the issue of medal farms and private sharing in recent threads @juliaelliott Kaggle Team et. al.\n\nAnd @ipythonx glad that you have (somewhat) survived the shakeup as well! :)", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 1076948, "postDate": "2020-11-13T04:15:07.393Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true } ] }, { "id": 957589, "postDate": "2020-08-04T12:29:24.447Z", "content": "oh...that's a serious issue. Think about persons who are just a rank below medal tier.
", "rawMarkdown": "oh...that's a serious issue. Think about persons who are just a rank below medal tier.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 956618, "postDate": "2020-08-03T16:20:47.503Z", "content": "Thanks for bringing this up. I have seen this a few times but didn't check in detail.
\n\nIt certainly doesn't make sense to keep a user on the private LB if the user deleted the account before the competition end time. Is there any merit in it? It is also a very simple check / filter for Kaggle to include as part of the finalizing process of competitions.
\n\nIf the user deleted the account after the competition end time, I think it is still debatable.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for bringing this up. I have seen this a few times but didn't check in detail.\n\nIt certainly doesn't make sense to keep a user on the private LB if the user deleted the account before the competition end time. Is there any merit in it? It is also a very simple check / filter for Kaggle to include as part of the finalizing process of competitions.\n\nIf the user deleted the account after the competition end time, I think it is still debatable.", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 956641, "postDate": "2020-08-03T16:52:12.583Z", "content": "Thank you for your support.😃
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for your support.😃 " } ] }, { "id": 955688, "postDate": "2020-08-02T20:23:45.567Z", "content": "It is frustrating, when you try hard reach medal but someone create clones and take 2 or 3 medals in one hands.
", "rawMarkdown": "It is frustrating, when you try hard reach medal but someone create clones and take 2 or 3 medals in one hands.", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 961801, "postDate": "2020-08-07T14:11:10.523Z", "content": "Maybe only people that verified their Kaggle account with their phone number should be able to participate in competitions.
", "rawMarkdown": "Maybe only people that verified their Kaggle account with their phone number should be able to participate in competitions." } ] }, { "id": 955470, "postDate": "2020-08-02T16:43:46.777Z", "content": "I believe that the organizers usually cleanup the leaderboard at the end of the competition, at the time of revealing the private LB.
", "rawMarkdown": "I believe that the organizers usually cleanup the leaderboard at the end of the competition, at the time of revealing the private LB.", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 955478, "postDate": "2020-08-02T16:47:00.833Z", "content": "Yes, I know they do. for ex. In alaska2 competition, they removed around 10-15 cheaters from leaderboard but didn't removed deleted accounts. 3-4 medals were wasted. \nAnd also some new novice accounts remains unnoticed.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, I know they do. for ex. In alaska2 competition, they removed around 10-15 cheaters from leaderboard but didn't removed deleted accounts. 3-4 medals were wasted. \nAnd also some new novice accounts remains unnoticed.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 955736, "postDate": "2020-08-02T21:44:43.713Z", "content": "@nischaydnk just add some point on it, I've asked in ALASKA2 competition on this issue, and got replied that the user themself delete their account, so kaggle didn't remove those position on the lb. And the reply sounds weird, I know.
\n\nMore details, here.
", "rawMarkdown": "@nischaydnk just add some point on it, I've asked in ALASKA2 competition on this issue, and got replied that the user themself delete their account, so kaggle didn't remove those position on the lb. And the reply sounds weird, I know.\n\nMore details, [here](https://www.kaggle.com/c/alaska2-image-steganalysis/discussion/170537). ", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 955849, "postDate": "2020-08-03T02:18:41.020Z", "content": "Yeah, this seems quite unfair. Thank you for letting us know. 👍
", "rawMarkdown": "Yeah, this seems quite unfair. Thank you for letting us know. 👍 " }, { "id": 955992, "postDate": "2020-08-03T06:18:44.770Z", "content": "How's that fair if someone using multiple accounts for submission and then near to end of the competition delete the new accounts. why don't kaggle remove all his accounts including the main one ? (I don't know if kaggle removes the main account or not including his deleted new accounts.)
", "rawMarkdown": "How's that fair if someone using multiple accounts for submission and then near to end of the competition delete the new accounts. why don't kaggle remove all his accounts including the main one ? (I don't know if kaggle removes the main account or not including his deleted new accounts.)", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 956009, "postDate": "2020-08-03T06:45:01.853Z", "content": "Do you think that Kaggle actually could determine the main account? \nIt would be interesting to launch competition to find fake accounts and the main account
", "rawMarkdown": "Do you think that Kaggle actually could determine the main account? \nIt would be interesting to launch competition to find fake accounts and the main account" } ] } ] }, { "id": 956855, "postDate": "2020-08-03T20:54:47.367Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true } ], "comments": [ { "id": 956943, "author_name": "Julia Elliott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-04T00:43:29.040000", "content": "Thanks for raising this. As a standard, we don't do mid-stream removals, in order to preserve traceability and mitigate against the same offenders re-creating new accounts. So, as someone else observed, we clean the leaderboard at the end of the competition. Depending on the circumstances, deleted accounts may be retained, especially if the deletion happens after the end of the competition, as we do not constantly refresh standings based on newly deleted accounts into perpetuity. You've raised valid concerns, and we'll continue to keep a close eye to ensuring that this cleanup happens as consistently as possible.
", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 961814, "author_name": "Innat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-07T14:17:28.913000", "content": "@juliaelliott
\nso, are you saying it'll be totally removed after cleaning the leaderboard? If so, I've raised an issue on this, but got different reply!
https://www.kaggle.com/c/alaska2-image-steganalysis/discussion/170537
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 974476, "author_name": "Wei Hao Khoong", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-18T00:42:03.213000", "content": "
There seems to be quite a number of deleted users in the private leaderboard medal zone, especially in the silver range! It will be great if this issue can be investigated alongside the issue of medal farms and private sharing in recent threads @juliaelliott Kaggle Team et. al.
\nAnd @ipythonx glad that you have (somewhat) survived the shakeup as well! :)
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1076948, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-11-13T04:15:07.393000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 957589, "author_name": "Jaseem C K", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-04T12:29:24.447000", "content": "oh...that's a serious issue. Think about persons who are just a rank below medal tier.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 956618, "author_name": "Vopani", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-03T16:20:47.503000", "content": "Thanks for bringing this up. I have seen this a few times but didn't check in detail.
\n\nIt certainly doesn't make sense to keep a user on the private LB if the user deleted the account before the competition end time. Is there any merit in it? It is also a very simple check / filter for Kaggle to include as part of the finalizing process of competitions.
\n\nIf the user deleted the account after the competition end time, I think it is still debatable.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 956641, "author_name": "Nischay Dhankhar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-03T16:52:12.583000", "content": "Thank you for your support.😃
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 955688, "author_name": "Sxwat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-02T20:23:45.567000", "content": "It is frustrating, when you try hard reach medal but someone create clones and take 2 or 3 medals in one hands.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 961801, "author_name": "Alin Cijov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-07T14:11:10.523000", "content": "Maybe only people that verified their Kaggle account with their phone number should be able to participate in competitions.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 955470, "author_name": "Sirish Somanchi", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-02T16:43:46.777000", "content": "I believe that the organizers usually cleanup the leaderboard at the end of the competition, at the time of revealing the private LB.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 955478, "author_name": "Nischay Dhankhar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-02T16:47:00.833000", "content": "Yes, I know they do. for ex. In alaska2 competition, they removed around 10-15 cheaters from leaderboard but didn't removed deleted accounts. 3-4 medals were wasted. \nAnd also some new novice accounts remains unnoticed.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 955736, "author_name": "Innat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-02T21:44:43.713000", "content": "@nischaydnk just add some point on it, I've asked in ALASKA2 competition on this issue, and got replied that the user themself delete their account, so kaggle didn't remove those position on the lb. And the reply sounds weird, I know.
\n\nMore details, here.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 955849, "author_name": "Nischay Dhankhar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-03T02:18:41.020000", "content": "Yeah, this seems quite unfair. Thank you for letting us know. 👍
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 955992, "author_name": "Prateek Mishra", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-03T06:18:44.770000", "content": "How's that fair if someone using multiple accounts for submission and then near to end of the competition delete the new accounts. why don't kaggle remove all his accounts including the main one ? (I don't know if kaggle removes the main account or not including his deleted new accounts.)
", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 956009, "author_name": "Sxwat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-03T06:45:01.853000", "content": "Do you think that Kaggle actually could determine the main account? \nIt would be interesting to launch competition to find fake accounts and the main account
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] } ] }, { "id": 956855, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-08-03T20:54:47.367000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "955451": ".png?generation=1596385143454287&alt=media)\n.png?generation=1596385149569174&alt=media)\n\nOkay, I'll ask straight to the point questions. Why these deleted accounts don't get removed from the medal tier and leaderboard. I've seen this in previous competitions too, these deleted accounts which are to be precise secondary accounts of another competitor which help them to get more subs and tpu usage are don't being kicked even after the release of private leaderboard. \nAlso, there are lots of novice in medal tiers, I am not judging that all of them are secondary accounts and should be removed. But, there are 2-3 novice in silver zone who've joined kaggle a few days back and are just participating in this competition only.I believe some of them are cheating. \n*I've posted this just because those medals are getting into wrong hands instead of a deserving competitor. *\n\n@ipythonx added: \"I've asked in ALASKA2 competition on this issue, and got replied that the user themselves delete their account, so kaggle didn't remove those position on the lb. And the reply sounds weird, I know.\" \nI have rarely seen anyone deleting their accounts on kaggle, and if he is doing so, that completely means that he doesn't even care about the ongoing competition or he is involved in some kind of malpractices. I think kaggle team should remove them too while cleaning up the private Leaderboard. ", "956943": "Thanks for raising this. As a standard, we don't do mid-stream removals, in order to preserve traceability and mitigate against the same offenders re-creating new accounts. So, as someone else observed, we clean the leaderboard at the end of the competition. Depending on the circumstances, deleted accounts may be retained, especially if the deletion happens after the end of the competition, as we do not constantly refresh standings based on newly deleted accounts into perpetuity. You've raised valid concerns, and we'll continue to keep a close eye to ensuring that this cleanup happens as consistently as possible.", "957589": "oh...that's a serious issue. Think about persons who are just a rank below medal tier.", "956618": "Thanks for bringing this up. I have seen this a few times but didn't check in detail.\n\nIt certainly doesn't make sense to keep a user on the private LB if the user deleted the account before the competition end time. Is there any merit in it? It is also a very simple check / filter for Kaggle to include as part of the finalizing process of competitions.\n\nIf the user deleted the account after the competition end time, I think it is still debatable.", "955688": "It is frustrating, when you try hard reach medal but someone create clones and take 2 or 3 medals in one hands.", "955470": "I believe that the organizers usually cleanup the leaderboard at the end of the competition, at the time of revealing the private LB.", "956855": "" } }