This is my understanding of the if the data is publicly available from the official rules that i firstly overlooked and spotted later. What's gonna be?
\n\nHowever, you will post any External Data used and the provenance of the data to the official competition forum prior to the Entry Deadline, and if the data is publicly available, include the link to such access.
UPDATE: see Julia's comment\n> you may remain in the competition by using non-Public external data, but you cannot win any prizes.
\n\nUPDATE 2020-06-17: changed title\nExternal data DOES NOT need to be public to get ranking point and medals
This is my understanding of the if the data is publicly available from the official rules that i firstly overlooked and spotted later. What's gonna be?
\n\nHowever, you will post any External Data used and the provenance of the data to the official competition forum prior to the Entry Deadline, and if the data is publicly available, include the link to such access.
UPDATE: see Julia's comment\n> you may remain in the competition by using non-Public external data, but you cannot win any prizes.
\n\nUPDATE 2020-06-17: changed title\nExternal data DOES NOT need to be public to get ranking point and medals
@juliaelliott can you please help us clarify whether external data needs or not to be public. I find this sentence confusing.
", "rawMarkdown": "juliaelliott can you please help us clarify whether external data needs or not to be public. I find this sentence confusing.", "votes": null }, { "id": "888752", "postDate": "06/16/2020 14:41:43", "content": "I think it means:
\n\nAll External data must be posted to the forum.
\n\nIf you created the data (or it is otherwise not on the Internet somewhere, but you have access to it and the right to distribute it), you must post it. So if you are a dermatologist and want to contribute your data (and it meets all the HIPAA rules), you must post it.
\n\nIf it is already on the Internet (\"Public\"), you must post a link to it. Sounds like you also need to post a copy of the data in Kaggle, although if it is readily downloadable from the source, maybe that isn't too important.
\n\nMy 2 cents
\n\n-Rich
", "rawMarkdown": "I think it means:\n\nAll External data must be posted to the forum.\n\nIf you created the data (or it is otherwise not on the Internet somewhere, but you have access to it and the right to distribute it), you must post it. So if you are a dermatologist and want to contribute your data (and it meets all the HIPAA rules), you must post it.\n\nIf it is already on the Internet (\"Public\"), you must post a link to it. Sounds like you also need to post a copy of the data in Kaggle, although if it is readily downloadable from the source, maybe that isn't too important.\n\nMy 2 cents\n\n-Rich", "votes": null }, { "id": "889406", "postDate": "06/17/2020 00:25:21", "content": "First, I must emphasize that it is not required to use external data.
\n\nBut, if you do use external data and wish to be eligible for prizes, the dataset must be publicly and freely available for use that includes academic/research use (\"Public External Data\") with a link to and provenance of the data clearly posted to the official external data thread.
\n\nIf you do use external data and it does not meet these requirements to be considered \"Public External Data\" then it will not be prize-eligible. In the case of using non-Public external data, its provenance should still be posted to the official external data thread. So, you may remain in the competition by using non-Public external data, but you cannot win any prizes.
", "rawMarkdown": "First, I must emphasize that it is not required to use external data. \n\nBut, if you do use external data and wish to be eligible for prizes, the dataset must be publicly and freely available for use that includes academic/research use (\"Public External Data\") with a link to and provenance of the data clearly posted to the [official external data thread](https://www.kaggle.com/c/siim-isic-melanoma-classification/discussion/154296). \n\nIf you do use external data and it does not meet these requirements to be considered \"Public External Data\" then it will not be prize-eligible. In the case of using non-Public external data, its provenance should still be posted to the official external data thread. So, you may remain in the competition by using non-Public external data, but you cannot win any prizes.", "votes": null }, { "id": "890053", "postDate": "06/17/2020 09:26:02", "content": "thank you
", "rawMarkdown": "thank you", "votes": null }, { "id": "890109", "postDate": "06/17/2020 10:06:32", "content": "i think you need to change your your title:\n\"External data DOES NOT need to be PUBLIC if you DO NOT wish to win a PRIZE\"
\n\n(dnp -->dnp)
", "rawMarkdown": "i think you need to change your your title:\n\"External data DOES NOT need to be PUBLIC if you DO NOT wish to win a PRIZE\"\n\n(dnp -->dnp)", "votes": null }, { "id": "890281", "postDate": "06/17/2020 12:28:19", "content": "thanks for the input - i added extra info to the title
", "rawMarkdown": "thanks for the input - i added extra info to the title", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 888679, "author_name": "valanm", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/16/2020 13:55:16", "content": "@juliaelliott can you please help us clarify whether external data needs or not to be public. I find this sentence confusing.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 888752, "author_name": "richardepstein", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/16/2020 14:41:43", "content": "I think it means:
\n\nAll External data must be posted to the forum.
\n\nIf you created the data (or it is otherwise not on the Internet somewhere, but you have access to it and the right to distribute it), you must post it. So if you are a dermatologist and want to contribute your data (and it meets all the HIPAA rules), you must post it.
\n\nIf it is already on the Internet (\"Public\"), you must post a link to it. Sounds like you also need to post a copy of the data in Kaggle, although if it is readily downloadable from the source, maybe that isn't too important.
\n\nMy 2 cents
\n\n-Rich
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 889406, "author_name": "juliaelliott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/17/2020 00:25:21", "content": "First, I must emphasize that it is not required to use external data.
\n\nBut, if you do use external data and wish to be eligible for prizes, the dataset must be publicly and freely available for use that includes academic/research use (\"Public External Data\") with a link to and provenance of the data clearly posted to the official external data thread.
\n\nIf you do use external data and it does not meet these requirements to be considered \"Public External Data\" then it will not be prize-eligible. In the case of using non-Public external data, its provenance should still be posted to the official external data thread. So, you may remain in the competition by using non-Public external data, but you cannot win any prizes.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 890053, "author_name": "valanm", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/17/2020 09:26:02", "content": "thank you
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 890109, "author_name": "hengck23", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/17/2020 10:06:32", "content": "i think you need to change your your title:\n\"External data DOES NOT need to be PUBLIC if you DO NOT wish to win a PRIZE\"
\n\n(dnp -->dnp)
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 890281, "author_name": "valanm", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/17/2020 12:28:19", "content": "thanks for the input - i added extra info to the title
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "887052": "This is my understanding of the **if the data is publicly available** from the official rules that i firstly overlooked and spotted later. What's gonna be?\n \n`However, you will post any External Data used and the provenance of the data to the official competition forum prior to the Entry Deadline, and if the data is publicly available, include the link to such access.`\n\n\nUPDATE: see Julia's comment\n> you may remain in the competition by using non-Public external data, but you cannot win any prizes.\n\n\nUPDATE 2020-06-17: changed title\nExternal data DOES NOT need to be public `to get ranking point and medals`", "888679": "juliaelliott can you please help us clarify whether external data needs or not to be public. I find this sentence confusing.", "888752": "I think it means:\n\nAll External data must be posted to the forum.\n\nIf you created the data (or it is otherwise not on the Internet somewhere, but you have access to it and the right to distribute it), you must post it. So if you are a dermatologist and want to contribute your data (and it meets all the HIPAA rules), you must post it.\n\nIf it is already on the Internet (\"Public\"), you must post a link to it. Sounds like you also need to post a copy of the data in Kaggle, although if it is readily downloadable from the source, maybe that isn't too important.\n\nMy 2 cents\n\n-Rich", "889406": "First, I must emphasize that it is not required to use external data. \n\nBut, if you do use external data and wish to be eligible for prizes, the dataset must be publicly and freely available for use that includes academic/research use (\"Public External Data\") with a link to and provenance of the data clearly posted to the [official external data thread](https://www.kaggle.com/c/siim-isic-melanoma-classification/discussion/154296). \n\nIf you do use external data and it does not meet these requirements to be considered \"Public External Data\" then it will not be prize-eligible. In the case of using non-Public external data, its provenance should still be posted to the official external data thread. So, you may remain in the competition by using non-Public external data, but you cannot win any prizes.", "890053": "thank you", "890109": "i think you need to change your your title:\n\"External data DOES NOT need to be PUBLIC if you DO NOT wish to win a PRIZE\"\n\n(dnp -->dnp)", "890281": "thanks for the input - i added extra info to the title" }, "source": "meta" }