{
  "id": 245745,
  "title": "Common Pitfalls in Covid-19 detection [Nature paper]",
  "url": "/competitions/siim-covid19-detection/discussion/245745",
  "author_name": "navneeth subramanian",
  "post_date": "2021-06-12T07:11:34.131000",
  "votes": 7,
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  "content": "<p>Came upon a recently published paper [1] in nature on Covid-19 detection in CXR and CT images.<br>\nThe authors reviewed 62 ML detection models (papers) for Covid-19 detection. They make a bold conclusion that </p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>\"<em>Our review finds that none of the models identified are of potential clinical use due to methodological flaws and/or underlying biases</em> \".</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>This definitely got my attention I started reading the paper. However I found no constructive advice on how such a bias can be corrected. </p>\n<p>Though the authors claim</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>\" <em>We also give detailed recommendations in five domains: (1) considerations when collating COVID-19 imaging datasets that are to be made public; (2) <strong>methodological considerations for algorithm developers;</strong> (3) specific issues about reproducibility of the results in the literature; (4) considerations for authors to ensure sufficient documentation of methodologies in manuscripts; and (5) considerations for reviewers performing peer review of manuscripts</em>.\"</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>The only piece of constructive advice I found was that - many studies combined multiple datasets without realizing that the studies within them may be duplicated. <br>\nHence there was data leakage: Train data -&gt; Test data. </p>\n<ul>\n<li>Do you see any constructive advice from this paper that we could utilize in our solutions ?</li>\n</ul>\n<p>[1]  Common pitfalls and recommendations for using machine learning to detect and prognosticate for COVID-19 using chest radiographs and CT scans</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-021-00307-0\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-021-00307-0</a></p>",
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      "content": "<p>Came upon a recently published paper [1] in nature on Covid-19 detection in CXR and CT images.<br>\nThe authors reviewed 62 ML detection models (papers) for Covid-19 detection. They make a bold conclusion that </p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>\"<em>Our review finds that none of the models identified are of potential clinical use due to methodological flaws and/or underlying biases</em> \".</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>This definitely got my attention I started reading the paper. However I found no constructive advice on how such a bias can be corrected. </p>\n<p>Though the authors claim</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>\" <em>We also give detailed recommendations in five domains: (1) considerations when collating COVID-19 imaging datasets that are to be made public; (2) <strong>methodological considerations for algorithm developers;</strong> (3) specific issues about reproducibility of the results in the literature; (4) considerations for authors to ensure sufficient documentation of methodologies in manuscripts; and (5) considerations for reviewers performing peer review of manuscripts</em>.\"</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>The only piece of constructive advice I found was that - many studies combined multiple datasets without realizing that the studies within them may be duplicated. <br>\nHence there was data leakage: Train data -&gt; Test data. </p>\n<ul>\n<li>Do you see any constructive advice from this paper that we could utilize in our solutions ?</li>\n</ul>\n<p>[1]  Common pitfalls and recommendations for using machine learning to detect and prognosticate for COVID-19 using chest radiographs and CT scans</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-021-00307-0\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-021-00307-0</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Came upon a recently published paper [1] in nature on Covid-19 detection in CXR and CT images.\nThe authors reviewed 62 ML detection models (papers) for Covid-19 detection. They make a bold conclusion that \n> \"*Our review finds that none of the models identified are of potential clinical use due to methodological flaws and/or underlying biases* \".\n\nThis definitely got my attention I started reading the paper. However I found no constructive advice on how such a bias can be corrected. \n\nThough the authors claim\n> \" *We also give detailed recommendations in five domains: (1) considerations when collating COVID-19 imaging datasets that are to be made public; (2) **methodological considerations for algorithm developers;** (3) specific issues about reproducibility of the results in the literature; (4) considerations for authors to ensure sufficient documentation of methodologies in manuscripts; and (5) considerations for reviewers performing peer review of manuscripts*.\"\n\nThe only piece of constructive advice I found was that - many studies combined multiple datasets without realizing that the studies within them may be duplicated. \nHence there was data leakage: Train data -> Test data. \n\n- Do you see any constructive advice from this paper that we could utilize in our solutions ?\n\n\n[1]  Common pitfalls and recommendations for using machine learning to detect and prognosticate for COVID-19 using chest radiographs and CT scans\n\nhttps://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-021-00307-0",
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    "1346178": "Came upon a recently published paper [1] in nature on Covid-19 detection in CXR and CT images.\nThe authors reviewed 62 ML detection models (papers) for Covid-19 detection. They make a bold conclusion that \n> \"*Our review finds that none of the models identified are of potential clinical use due to methodological flaws and/or underlying biases* \".\n\nThis definitely got my attention I started reading the paper. However I found no constructive advice on how such a bias can be corrected. \n\nThough the authors claim\n> \" *We also give detailed recommendations in five domains: (1) considerations when collating COVID-19 imaging datasets that are to be made public; (2) **methodological considerations for algorithm developers;** (3) specific issues about reproducibility of the results in the literature; (4) considerations for authors to ensure sufficient documentation of methodologies in manuscripts; and (5) considerations for reviewers performing peer review of manuscripts*.\"\n\nThe only piece of constructive advice I found was that - many studies combined multiple datasets without realizing that the studies within them may be duplicated. \nHence there was data leakage: Train data -> Test data. \n\n- Do you see any constructive advice from this paper that we could utilize in our solutions ?\n\n\n[1]  Common pitfalls and recommendations for using machine learning to detect and prognosticate for COVID-19 using chest radiographs and CT scans\n\nhttps://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-021-00307-0"
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