{
  "id": 258449,
  "title": "Train Outliers",
  "url": "/competitions/seti-breakthrough-listen/discussion/258449",
  "author_name": "Volodymyr",
  "post_date": "2021-08-03T10:13:03.975000",
  "votes": 2,
  "comment_count": 2,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Dear Hosts,<br>\nI have visually observed some train samples and find out some strange samples. <br>\nSmall clarification: If we look at snippets of certain sample of <code>ON TARGET</code> part, we assume to get 3 images which looks pretty similar. <br>\nBut I have found out some strange samples:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy : first <code>ON TARGET</code> differs from second and third <code>ON TARGET</code></li>\n<li>train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy: first and second <code>ON TARGET</code> completely differs from third <code>ON TARGET</code></li>\n<li>train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy: all <code>ON TARGET</code> snippets are really different </li>\n</ul>",
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      "id": 1441837,
      "postDate": "2021-08-03T21:07:24.687Z",
      "content": "<p>Assuming I didn't make any typos while visualizing (unfortunately, it seems that Kaggle won't allow me to make any file uploads at the moment), here's a description for others' convenience…</p>\n<ol>\n<li>In <code>train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy</code>, the first <code>ON TARGET</code> snippet has some more Gaussian noise than the other two</li>\n<li>In <code>train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy</code>, the first three snippets (incl. the first two <code>ON TARGET</code> ones) have a strong but not-narrow band of signal while the others have a lot of noise everywhere (with a squiggle of a signal in the third <code>ON TARGET</code></li>\n<li>In <code>train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy</code>, there's a strong, wide-band of \"signal\" in the latter half of <code>ON TARGET</code> 1 and the very beginning of <code>OFF TARGET</code> 1, then nothing for the remainder of <code>OFF TARGET</code> 1, then a weak continuation of the wide-band signal in <code>ON TARGET</code> 2, then a strong wide-band for <code>OFF TARGET</code> 2<code>and the first half of</code>ON TARGET 3<code>, and then no such signal in the second half of</code>ON TARGET<code>3 and</code>OFF TARGET 3`.</li>\n</ol>\n<p>Why might these snippets be anomalous? Setting aside the possibility of some unintentional error in data generation, it could well be intended to model some of the real-world inconveniences that thwart radio astronomers, esp. SETI ones. I've read anecdotes about mundane sources of interference ranging from someone microwaving their lunch during some of the snippets to a nearby clock or wristwatch (I think the latter was responsible for the candidate signal associated with Proxima Centauri that got some media coverage lately, BLC-1. Sofia Sheikh presented on it at the Breakthrough Discuss 2021 event, but I'm not sure if any paper has been posted yet.)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Assuming I didn't make any typos while visualizing (unfortunately, it seems that Kaggle won't allow me to make any file uploads at the moment), here's a description for others' convenience...\n\n1. In `train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy`, the first `ON TARGET` snippet has some more Gaussian noise than the other two\n2. In `train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy`, the first three snippets (incl. the first two `ON TARGET` ones) have a strong but not-narrow band of signal while the others have a lot of noise everywhere (with a squiggle of a signal in the third `ON TARGET`\n3. In `train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy`, there's a strong, wide-band of \"signal\" in the latter half of `ON TARGET` 1 and the very beginning of `OFF TARGET` 1, then nothing for the remainder of `OFF TARGET` 1, then a weak continuation of the wide-band signal in `ON TARGET` 2, then a strong wide-band for `OFF TARGET` 2` and the first half of `ON TARGET 3`, and then no such signal in the second half of `ON TARGET` 3 and `OFF TARGET 3`.\n\nWhy might these snippets be anomalous? Setting aside the possibility of some unintentional error in data generation, it could well be intended to model some of the real-world inconveniences that thwart radio astronomers, esp. SETI ones. I've read anecdotes about mundane sources of interference ranging from someone microwaving their lunch during some of the snippets to a nearby clock or wristwatch (I think the latter was responsible for the candidate signal associated with Proxima Centauri that got some media coverage lately, BLC-1. Sofia Sheikh presented on it at the Breakthrough Discuss 2021 event, but I'm not sure if any paper has been posted yet.)",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1449841,
          "postDate": "2021-08-05T01:21:20.287Z",
          "content": "<pre><code> I've read anecdotes about mundane sources of interference ranging from someone microwaving their lunch during some of the snippets to a nearby clock or wristwatch (I think the latter was responsible for the candidate signal associated with Proxima Centauri that got some media coverage lately, BLC-1. Sofia Sheikh presented on it at the Breakthrough Discuss 2021 event, but I'm not sure if any paper has been posted yet.)\n</code></pre>\n<p>Emerges from rabbit hole… A video of the conference can be found here.<br>\n<a href=\"https://twitter.com/brkthroughprize/status/1381691086821810179\" target=\"_blank\">https://twitter.com/brkthroughprize/status/1381691086821810179</a><br>\nSofia Sheikh's 20 minute talk starts at the 4 hour, 32 minute mark.  She mentioned this Kaggle contest. I thought it was interesting.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "```\n I've read anecdotes about mundane sources of interference ranging from someone microwaving their lunch during some of the snippets to a nearby clock or wristwatch (I think the latter was responsible for the candidate signal associated with Proxima Centauri that got some media coverage lately, BLC-1. Sofia Sheikh presented on it at the Breakthrough Discuss 2021 event, but I'm not sure if any paper has been posted yet.)\n\n\n```\nEmerges from rabbit hole... A video of the conference can be found here.\nhttps://twitter.com/brkthroughprize/status/1381691086821810179\nSofia Sheikh's 20 minute talk starts at the 4 hour, 32 minute mark.  She mentioned this Kaggle contest. I thought it was interesting.\n",
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    },
    {
      "id": 1428918,
      "postDate": "2021-08-03T10:13:03.977Z",
      "content": "<p>Dear Hosts,<br>\nI have visually observed some train samples and find out some strange samples. <br>\nSmall clarification: If we look at snippets of certain sample of <code>ON TARGET</code> part, we assume to get 3 images which looks pretty similar. <br>\nBut I have found out some strange samples:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy : first <code>ON TARGET</code> differs from second and third <code>ON TARGET</code></li>\n<li>train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy: first and second <code>ON TARGET</code> completely differs from third <code>ON TARGET</code></li>\n<li>train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy: all <code>ON TARGET</code> snippets are really different </li>\n</ul>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Dear Hosts,\nI have visually observed some train samples and find out some strange samples. \nSmall clarification: If we look at snippets of certain sample of `ON TARGET` part, we assume to get 3 images which looks pretty similar. \nBut I have found out some strange samples:\n- train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy : first `ON TARGET` differs from second and third `ON TARGET`\n- train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy: first and second `ON TARGET` completely differs from third `ON TARGET`\n- train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy: all `ON TARGET` snippets are really different ",
      "votes": 2
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1441837,
      "author_name": "sf",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2021-08-03T21:07:24.687000",
      "content": "<p>Assuming I didn't make any typos while visualizing (unfortunately, it seems that Kaggle won't allow me to make any file uploads at the moment), here's a description for others' convenience…</p>\n<ol>\n<li>In <code>train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy</code>, the first <code>ON TARGET</code> snippet has some more Gaussian noise than the other two</li>\n<li>In <code>train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy</code>, the first three snippets (incl. the first two <code>ON TARGET</code> ones) have a strong but not-narrow band of signal while the others have a lot of noise everywhere (with a squiggle of a signal in the third <code>ON TARGET</code></li>\n<li>In <code>train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy</code>, there's a strong, wide-band of \"signal\" in the latter half of <code>ON TARGET</code> 1 and the very beginning of <code>OFF TARGET</code> 1, then nothing for the remainder of <code>OFF TARGET</code> 1, then a weak continuation of the wide-band signal in <code>ON TARGET</code> 2, then a strong wide-band for <code>OFF TARGET</code> 2<code>and the first half of</code>ON TARGET 3<code>, and then no such signal in the second half of</code>ON TARGET<code>3 and</code>OFF TARGET 3`.</li>\n</ol>\n<p>Why might these snippets be anomalous? Setting aside the possibility of some unintentional error in data generation, it could well be intended to model some of the real-world inconveniences that thwart radio astronomers, esp. SETI ones. I've read anecdotes about mundane sources of interference ranging from someone microwaving their lunch during some of the snippets to a nearby clock or wristwatch (I think the latter was responsible for the candidate signal associated with Proxima Centauri that got some media coverage lately, BLC-1. Sofia Sheikh presented on it at the Breakthrough Discuss 2021 event, but I'm not sure if any paper has been posted yet.)</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1449841,
          "author_name": "glazed",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2021-08-05T01:21:20.287000",
          "content": "<pre><code> I've read anecdotes about mundane sources of interference ranging from someone microwaving their lunch during some of the snippets to a nearby clock or wristwatch (I think the latter was responsible for the candidate signal associated with Proxima Centauri that got some media coverage lately, BLC-1. Sofia Sheikh presented on it at the Breakthrough Discuss 2021 event, but I'm not sure if any paper has been posted yet.)\n</code></pre>\n<p>Emerges from rabbit hole… A video of the conference can be found here.<br>\n<a href=\"https://twitter.com/brkthroughprize/status/1381691086821810179\" target=\"_blank\">https://twitter.com/brkthroughprize/status/1381691086821810179</a><br>\nSofia Sheikh's 20 minute talk starts at the 4 hour, 32 minute mark.  She mentioned this Kaggle contest. I thought it was interesting.</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": []
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    "1441837": "Assuming I didn't make any typos while visualizing (unfortunately, it seems that Kaggle won't allow me to make any file uploads at the moment), here's a description for others' convenience...\n\n1. In `train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy`, the first `ON TARGET` snippet has some more Gaussian noise than the other two\n2. In `train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy`, the first three snippets (incl. the first two `ON TARGET` ones) have a strong but not-narrow band of signal while the others have a lot of noise everywhere (with a squiggle of a signal in the third `ON TARGET`\n3. In `train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy`, there's a strong, wide-band of \"signal\" in the latter half of `ON TARGET` 1 and the very beginning of `OFF TARGET` 1, then nothing for the remainder of `OFF TARGET` 1, then a weak continuation of the wide-band signal in `ON TARGET` 2, then a strong wide-band for `OFF TARGET` 2` and the first half of `ON TARGET 3`, and then no such signal in the second half of `ON TARGET` 3 and `OFF TARGET 3`.\n\nWhy might these snippets be anomalous? Setting aside the possibility of some unintentional error in data generation, it could well be intended to model some of the real-world inconveniences that thwart radio astronomers, esp. SETI ones. I've read anecdotes about mundane sources of interference ranging from someone microwaving their lunch during some of the snippets to a nearby clock or wristwatch (I think the latter was responsible for the candidate signal associated with Proxima Centauri that got some media coverage lately, BLC-1. Sofia Sheikh presented on it at the Breakthrough Discuss 2021 event, but I'm not sure if any paper has been posted yet.)",
    "1428918": "Dear Hosts,\nI have visually observed some train samples and find out some strange samples. \nSmall clarification: If we look at snippets of certain sample of `ON TARGET` part, we assume to get 3 images which looks pretty similar. \nBut I have found out some strange samples:\n- train/0/00973367d6481e2.npy : first `ON TARGET` differs from second and third `ON TARGET`\n- train/0/00f129775fd7792.npy: first and second `ON TARGET` completely differs from third `ON TARGET`\n- train/0/010b8dc237f2d74.npy: all `ON TARGET` snippets are really different "
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