{
  "id": 19303,
  "title": "Playing the devil's advocate",
  "url": "/competitions/second-annual-data-science-bowl/discussion/19303",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2016-03-03T23:29:15.867Z",
  "votes": null,
  "comment_count": 4,
  "views": 623,
  "content": "<p>I think it's safe to assume that most teams with above average scores will submit their source codes, in order to enter the pot.</p>\n\n<p>The rules leave no hiding place for secret sauce, the submitted code must reproduce the final submission.</p>\n\n<p>Only the top 3 ranking teams will receive compensation. But I'm guessing at least 100 teams will upload their code base, stark naked. Again I'm guessing, a sizable portion of these will have competitive scores.</p>\n\n<p>My question is, in case it isn't already obvious&#8212;what will prevent the sponsors or Kaggle from going through all the promising models, building a super ensemble from all the submitted source code, and claiming ownership?</p>\n\n<p>I'm not excessively worried that this could happen. But this competition has a fairly large prize, and somewhat unique rules about uploading code in advance.</p>\n\n<p>So I'm playing the devil's advocate, and I'd be glad to hear why this can't happen.</p>\n\n<p>Thanks!</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "110229",
      "postDate": "03/03/2016 23:29:15",
      "content": "<p>I think it's safe to assume that most teams with above average scores will submit their source codes, in order to enter the pot.</p>\n\n<p>The rules leave no hiding place for secret sauce, the submitted code must reproduce the final submission.</p>\n\n<p>Only the top 3 ranking teams will receive compensation. But I'm guessing at least 100 teams will upload their code base, stark naked. Again I'm guessing, a sizable portion of these will have competitive scores.</p>\n\n<p>My question is, in case it isn't already obvious&#8212;what will prevent the sponsors or Kaggle from going through all the promising models, building a super ensemble from all the submitted source code, and claiming ownership?</p>\n\n<p>I'm not excessively worried that this could happen. But this competition has a fairly large prize, and somewhat unique rules about uploading code in advance.</p>\n\n<p>So I'm playing the devil's advocate, and I'd be glad to hear why this can't happen.</p>\n\n<p>Thanks!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I think it's safe to assume that most teams with above average scores will submit their source codes, in order to enter the pot.\r\n\r\nThe rules leave no hiding place for secret sauce, the submitted code must reproduce the final submission.\r\n\r\nOnly the top 3 ranking teams will receive compensation. But I'm guessing at least 100 teams will upload their code base, stark naked. Again I'm guessing, a sizable portion of these will have competitive scores.\r\n\r\nMy question is, in case it isn't already obvious—what will prevent the sponsors or Kaggle from going through all the promising models, building a super ensemble from all the submitted source code, and claiming ownership?\r\n\r\nI'm not excessively worried that this could happen. But this competition has a fairly large prize, and somewhat unique rules about uploading code in advance.\r\n\r\nSo I'm playing the devil's advocate, and I'd be glad to hear why this can't happen.\r\n\r\nThanks!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "110231",
      "postDate": "03/03/2016 23:49:58",
      "content": "<p>Putting aside our own moral and legal integrity, I'm not sure I understand who you are implying would claim ownership of such a model? None of the admins are prize eligible.</p>\n\n<p>You may encrypt your model upload and tell us the key in the event you win. If you don't win, your secret sauce is safe with you. If you go this route, be sure to test that your encrypted archive is not corrupt and works with your password!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Putting aside our own moral and legal integrity, I'm not sure I understand who you are implying would claim ownership of such a model? None of the admins are prize eligible.\r\n\r\nYou may encrypt your model upload and tell us the key in the event you win. If you don't win, your secret sauce is safe with you. If you go this route, be sure to test that your encrypted archive is not corrupt and works with your password!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "110232",
      "postDate": "03/03/2016 23:59:09",
      "content": "<p>If @William buys a new sports car mid March, I'm definitely going to call him out.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "If @William buys a new sports car mid March, I'm definitely going to call him out.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "110239",
      "postDate": "03/04/2016 00:29:45",
      "content": "<p>Will, I'm really sorry if my conjecture was offending. I never meant to question the integrity of admins, and certainly not yourself.</p>\n\n<p>I was just concerned about everyone uploading their source code all at once, and hail corporate.</p>\n\n<p>But I'm glad I asked, because now anyone can upload their code encrypted.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Will, I'm really sorry if my conjecture was offending. I never meant to question the integrity of admins, and certainly not yourself.\r\n\r\nI was just concerned about everyone uploading their source code all at once, and hail corporate.\r\n\r\nBut I'm glad I asked, because now anyone can upload their code encrypted.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "110240",
      "postDate": "03/04/2016 00:31:08",
      "content": "<p>I had to write this :-)  What if it was this car\n<img src=\"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Bobbycar.jpg\" alt=\"enter image description here\" title></p>\n\n<p>Sorry :-) </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I had to write this :-)  What if it was this car\r\n![enter image description here][1]\r\n\r\n\r\n  [1]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Bobbycar.jpg\r\n\r\nSorry :-)",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 110231,
      "author_name": "wcukierski",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/03/2016 23:49:58",
      "content": "<p>Putting aside our own moral and legal integrity, I'm not sure I understand who you are implying would claim ownership of such a model? None of the admins are prize eligible.</p>\n\n<p>You may encrypt your model upload and tell us the key in the event you win. If you don't win, your secret sauce is safe with you. If you go this route, be sure to test that your encrypted archive is not corrupt and works with your password!</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 110232,
      "author_name": "inversion",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/03/2016 23:59:09",
      "content": "<p>If @William buys a new sports car mid March, I'm definitely going to call him out.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 110239,
      "author_name": "barisumog",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/04/2016 00:29:45",
      "content": "<p>Will, I'm really sorry if my conjecture was offending. I never meant to question the integrity of admins, and certainly not yourself.</p>\n\n<p>I was just concerned about everyone uploading their source code all at once, and hail corporate.</p>\n\n<p>But I'm glad I asked, because now anyone can upload their code encrypted.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 110240,
      "author_name": "osamaamaso",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/04/2016 00:31:08",
      "content": "<p>I had to write this :-)  What if it was this car\n<img src=\"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Bobbycar.jpg\" alt=\"enter image description here\" title></p>\n\n<p>Sorry :-) </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    }
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    "110229": "I think it's safe to assume that most teams with above average scores will submit their source codes, in order to enter the pot.\r\n\r\nThe rules leave no hiding place for secret sauce, the submitted code must reproduce the final submission.\r\n\r\nOnly the top 3 ranking teams will receive compensation. But I'm guessing at least 100 teams will upload their code base, stark naked. Again I'm guessing, a sizable portion of these will have competitive scores.\r\n\r\nMy question is, in case it isn't already obvious—what will prevent the sponsors or Kaggle from going through all the promising models, building a super ensemble from all the submitted source code, and claiming ownership?\r\n\r\nI'm not excessively worried that this could happen. But this competition has a fairly large prize, and somewhat unique rules about uploading code in advance.\r\n\r\nSo I'm playing the devil's advocate, and I'd be glad to hear why this can't happen.\r\n\r\nThanks!",
    "110231": "Putting aside our own moral and legal integrity, I'm not sure I understand who you are implying would claim ownership of such a model? None of the admins are prize eligible.\r\n\r\nYou may encrypt your model upload and tell us the key in the event you win. If you don't win, your secret sauce is safe with you. If you go this route, be sure to test that your encrypted archive is not corrupt and works with your password!",
    "110232": "If @William buys a new sports car mid March, I'm definitely going to call him out.",
    "110239": "Will, I'm really sorry if my conjecture was offending. I never meant to question the integrity of admins, and certainly not yourself.\r\n\r\nI was just concerned about everyone uploading their source code all at once, and hail corporate.\r\n\r\nBut I'm glad I asked, because now anyone can upload their code encrypted.",
    "110240": "I had to write this :-)  What if it was this car\r\n![enter image description here][1]\r\n\r\n\r\n  [1]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Bobbycar.jpg\r\n\r\nSorry :-)"
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