{
  "id": 274476,
  "title": "If LB Probing receive MEDAL?",
  "url": "/competitions/rsna-miccai-brain-tumor-radiogenomic-classification/discussion/274476",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2021-09-26T09:52:29.867855200Z",
  "votes": 4,
  "comment_count": 10,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Hi guys,</p>\n<p>I wonder if you use LB Probing, will you be able to receive MEDAL (Bronze, Silver, Gold). If not, then these people will be removed from leaderboard or what?</p>\n<p>Thanks in advance. </p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "1524255",
      "postDate": "09/26/2021 09:52:29",
      "content": "<p>Hi guys,</p>\n<p>I wonder if you use LB Probing, will you be able to receive MEDAL (Bronze, Silver, Gold). If not, then these people will be removed from leaderboard or what?</p>\n<p>Thanks in advance. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi guys,\n\nI wonder if you use LB Probing, will you be able to receive MEDAL (Bronze, Silver, Gold). If not, then these people will be removed from leaderboard or what?\n\nThanks in advance.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1524267",
      "postDate": "09/26/2021 10:15:58",
      "content": "<p>I think that submission based on probing will be removed from LB, since Kaggle additionally checks all prize winners solutions.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I think that submission based on probing will be removed from LB, since Kaggle additionally checks all prize winners solutions.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1524307",
      "postDate": "09/26/2021 11:31:29",
      "content": "<p>Yeah, but I don’t think they will check bronze, silver participant.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Yeah, but I don’t think they will check bronze, silver participant.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1524367",
      "postDate": "09/26/2021 13:27:06",
      "content": "<p>they probed only 87 test specimens, and the rest ~ 500 did not. it turns out that even if they found out 87 correct answers, the rest are not known to them and they still need to be guessed. it is unlikely that they will succeed.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "they probed only 87 test specimens, and the rest ~ 500 did not. it turns out that even if they found out 87 correct answers, the rest are not known to them and they still need to be guessed. it is unlikely that they will succeed.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1524388",
      "postDate": "09/26/2021 13:51:54",
      "content": "<p>Ikr, but 87 more data could be used for validation or training, will make some advantages.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Ikr, but 87 more data could be used for validation or training, will make some advantages.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1524404",
      "postDate": "09/26/2021 14:09:44",
      "content": "<p>then it is no longer an accident, and if such training leads to a medal, then most likely no one will take it = I think so.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "then it is no longer an accident, and if such training leads to a medal, then most likely no one will take it = I think so.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1525588",
      "postDate": "09/27/2021 14:08:35",
      "content": "<p>lb probing is strictly forbidden on rules page<br>\n<code>3) not to attempt to probe the test set's labels</code></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "lb probing is strictly forbidden on rules page\n```3) not to attempt to probe the test set's labels```",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1525811",
      "postDate": "09/27/2021 16:36:07",
      "content": "<p>According to <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/rsna-miccai-brain-tumor-radiogenomic-classification/discussion/256706#1482510\" target=\"_blank\">this discussion</a>, they are not planning to take any action.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "According to [this discussion](https://www.kaggle.com/c/rsna-miccai-brain-tumor-radiogenomic-classification/discussion/256706#1482510), they are not planning to take any action.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1525817",
      "postDate": "09/27/2021 16:43:51",
      "content": "<p>Wow! Thanks for this information. So if you are not planning to be in top 10, you could use LB probing 👀</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Wow! Thanks for this information. So if you are not planning to be in top 10, you could use LB probing 👀",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1525840",
      "postDate": "09/27/2021 17:13:20",
      "content": "<p>Furthermore, I think if the organizers really want to prevent us from probing, they could have done it simply by just not disclosing the public test images to us.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Furthermore, I think if the organizers really want to prevent us from probing, they could have done it simply by just not disclosing the public test images to us.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1527268",
      "postDate": "09/28/2021 16:24:18",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/NaN\" target=\"_blank\">@NaN</a> kaggle does not provide such system it has a specific inference type , i think so </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "NaN kaggle does not provide such system it has a specific inference type , i think so",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1524267,
      "author_name": "atamazian",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "09/26/2021 10:15:58",
      "content": "<p>I think that submission based on probing will be removed from LB, since Kaggle additionally checks all prize winners solutions.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1524307,
          "author_name": "",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/26/2021 11:31:29",
          "content": "<p>Yeah, but I don’t think they will check bronze, silver participant.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1524367,
      "author_name": "zaakciiru",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "09/26/2021 13:27:06",
      "content": "<p>they probed only 87 test specimens, and the rest ~ 500 did not. it turns out that even if they found out 87 correct answers, the rest are not known to them and they still need to be guessed. it is unlikely that they will succeed.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1524388,
          "author_name": "",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/26/2021 13:51:54",
          "content": "<p>Ikr, but 87 more data could be used for validation or training, will make some advantages.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1524404,
          "author_name": "zaakciiru",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/26/2021 14:09:44",
          "content": "<p>then it is no longer an accident, and if such training leads to a medal, then most likely no one will take it = I think so.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1525588,
      "author_name": "swaralipibose",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "09/27/2021 14:08:35",
      "content": "<p>lb probing is strictly forbidden on rules page<br>\n<code>3) not to attempt to probe the test set's labels</code></p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1525811,
      "author_name": "nanguyen",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "09/27/2021 16:36:07",
      "content": "<p>According to <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/rsna-miccai-brain-tumor-radiogenomic-classification/discussion/256706#1482510\" target=\"_blank\">this discussion</a>, they are not planning to take any action.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1525817,
          "author_name": "",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/27/2021 16:43:51",
          "content": "<p>Wow! Thanks for this information. So if you are not planning to be in top 10, you could use LB probing 👀</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1525840,
          "author_name": "nanguyen",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/27/2021 17:13:20",
          "content": "<p>Furthermore, I think if the organizers really want to prevent us from probing, they could have done it simply by just not disclosing the public test images to us.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1527268,
          "author_name": "swaralipibose",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/28/2021 16:24:18",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/NaN\" target=\"_blank\">@NaN</a> kaggle does not provide such system it has a specific inference type , i think so </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
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    "1524255": "Hi guys,\n\nI wonder if you use LB Probing, will you be able to receive MEDAL (Bronze, Silver, Gold). If not, then these people will be removed from leaderboard or what?\n\nThanks in advance.",
    "1524267": "I think that submission based on probing will be removed from LB, since Kaggle additionally checks all prize winners solutions.",
    "1524307": "Yeah, but I don’t think they will check bronze, silver participant.",
    "1524367": "they probed only 87 test specimens, and the rest ~ 500 did not. it turns out that even if they found out 87 correct answers, the rest are not known to them and they still need to be guessed. it is unlikely that they will succeed.",
    "1524388": "Ikr, but 87 more data could be used for validation or training, will make some advantages.",
    "1524404": "then it is no longer an accident, and if such training leads to a medal, then most likely no one will take it = I think so.",
    "1525588": "lb probing is strictly forbidden on rules page\n```3) not to attempt to probe the test set's labels```",
    "1525811": "According to [this discussion](https://www.kaggle.com/c/rsna-miccai-brain-tumor-radiogenomic-classification/discussion/256706#1482510), they are not planning to take any action.",
    "1525817": "Wow! Thanks for this information. So if you are not planning to be in top 10, you could use LB probing 👀",
    "1525840": "Furthermore, I think if the organizers really want to prevent us from probing, they could have done it simply by just not disclosing the public test images to us.",
    "1527268": "NaN kaggle does not provide such system it has a specific inference type , i think so"
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