{
  "id": 529805,
  "title": "Label Misplacement in Sagittal T2/STIR Series Data",
  "url": "/competitions/rsna-2024-lumbar-spine-degenerative-classification/discussion/529805",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2024-08-23T02:38:07.766962500Z",
  "votes": 21,
  "comment_count": 5,
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  "content": "<p>Hello everyone,</p>\n<p>I have found a specific issue in the <strong>Sagittal T2/STIR</strong> series dataset where the label for the <strong>L1/L2</strong> intervertebral disc has been mistakenly placed at the <strong>L2/L3</strong> location. This error occurred in the entry with study_id <strong>372642770</strong> and series_id <strong>1416772288</strong>. Accurate labeling is crucial for spinal anatomy analysis, and such misplacement could lead to significant inaccuracies in any computational models we develop.</p>\n<p>I fully appreciate the complexities involved in managing such a detailed dataset and am grateful for the efforts of the official data providers in compiling and sharing these resources with the community. Could we kindly investigate this labeling issue to confirm and rectify the placement? Accurate labeling is essential for our analytical accuracy and the success of our collective research initiatives.🥰</p>\n<p>Thank you!</p>",
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    {
      "id": "2967518",
      "postDate": "08/23/2024 02:38:07",
      "content": "<p>Hello everyone,</p>\n<p>I have found a specific issue in the <strong>Sagittal T2/STIR</strong> series dataset where the label for the <strong>L1/L2</strong> intervertebral disc has been mistakenly placed at the <strong>L2/L3</strong> location. This error occurred in the entry with study_id <strong>372642770</strong> and series_id <strong>1416772288</strong>. Accurate labeling is crucial for spinal anatomy analysis, and such misplacement could lead to significant inaccuracies in any computational models we develop.</p>\n<p>I fully appreciate the complexities involved in managing such a detailed dataset and am grateful for the efforts of the official data providers in compiling and sharing these resources with the community. Could we kindly investigate this labeling issue to confirm and rectify the placement? Accurate labeling is essential for our analytical accuracy and the success of our collective research initiatives.🥰</p>\n<p>Thank you!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hello everyone,\n\nI have found a specific issue in the **Sagittal T2/STIR** series dataset where the label for the **L1/L2** intervertebral disc has been mistakenly placed at the **L2/L3** location. This error occurred in the entry with study_id **372642770** and series_id **1416772288**. Accurate labeling is crucial for spinal anatomy analysis, and such misplacement could lead to significant inaccuracies in any computational models we develop.\n\nI fully appreciate the complexities involved in managing such a detailed dataset and am grateful for the efforts of the official data providers in compiling and sharing these resources with the community. Could we kindly investigate this labeling issue to confirm and rectify the placement? Accurate labeling is essential for our analytical accuracy and the success of our collective research initiatives.🥰\n\nThank you!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2967541",
      "postDate": "08/23/2024 03:18:14",
      "content": "<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F17ba63eee3acd7959c131df469a9ca8e%2F_20240823111440.png?generation=1724383058327242&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"372642770_1416772288_Sagittal T2/STIR\"></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "![372642770_1416772288_Sagittal T2/STIR](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F17ba63eee3acd7959c131df469a9ca8e%2F_20240823111440.png?generation=1724383058327242&alt=media)",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2967996",
      "postDate": "08/23/2024 12:34:38",
      "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/ylxy123\" target=\"_blank\">@ylxy123</a>, it is the known problem. There are many inconsistencies with the data. You can take your time and thoroughly go through discussions and your own validation. The data aspect as much as important  for the competition, if not more, than the modeling itself. So it is our interest to Q/A the data and make it as clean as possible.<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/rsna-2024-lumbar-spine-degenerative-classification/discussion/512048\" target=\"_blank\">check this out</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi @ylxy123, it is the known problem. There are many inconsistencies with the data. You can take your time and thoroughly go through discussions and your own validation. The data aspect as much as important  for the competition, if not more, than the modeling itself. So it is our interest to Q/A the data and make it as clean as possible.\n[check this out](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/rsna-2024-lumbar-spine-degenerative-classification/discussion/512048)",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2968634",
      "postDate": "08/24/2024 05:17:05",
      "content": "<p>Sure, thank you! It seems these issues have already been raised by someone. In my subsequent work, I will attempt to identify all the \"problem\" tags and make the necessary corrections.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Sure, thank you! It seems these issues have already been raised by someone. In my subsequent work, I will attempt to identify all the \"problem\" tags and make the necessary corrections.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2971074",
      "postDate": "08/26/2024 18:45:20",
      "content": "<p>Hi, how do you find the inaccuracies in the data? Do you examine each image?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi, how do you find the inaccuracies in the data? Do you examine each image?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2971218",
      "postDate": "08/27/2024 01:03:38",
      "content": "<p>Hello, I identified this label noise by building a localization model for the vertebral bodies and intervertebral discs. I will review the samples with larger errors based on the model's output to determine whether the error originates from the data labels or the model itself.<br>\n<img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F094c99951c92c5fc49387d5c37483a5f%2F_20240827085659.png?generation=1724720586870758&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"372642770\"></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hello, I identified this label noise by building a localization model for the vertebral bodies and intervertebral discs. I will review the samples with larger errors based on the model's output to determine whether the error originates from the data labels or the model itself.\n![372642770](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F094c99951c92c5fc49387d5c37483a5f%2F_20240827085659.png?generation=1724720586870758&alt=media)",
      "votes": null
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  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2967541,
      "author_name": "yaolinxiangyu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "08/23/2024 03:18:14",
      "content": "<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F17ba63eee3acd7959c131df469a9ca8e%2F_20240823111440.png?generation=1724383058327242&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"372642770_1416772288_Sagittal T2/STIR\"></p>",
      "votes": null,
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    {
      "id": 2967996,
      "author_name": "sergiosaharovskiy",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "08/23/2024 12:34:38",
      "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/ylxy123\" target=\"_blank\">@ylxy123</a>, it is the known problem. There are many inconsistencies with the data. You can take your time and thoroughly go through discussions and your own validation. The data aspect as much as important  for the competition, if not more, than the modeling itself. So it is our interest to Q/A the data and make it as clean as possible.<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/rsna-2024-lumbar-spine-degenerative-classification/discussion/512048\" target=\"_blank\">check this out</a></p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2968634,
          "author_name": "yaolinxiangyu",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/24/2024 05:17:05",
          "content": "<p>Sure, thank you! It seems these issues have already been raised by someone. In my subsequent work, I will attempt to identify all the \"problem\" tags and make the necessary corrections.</p>",
          "votes": null,
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        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2971074,
      "author_name": "amanbawa",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "08/26/2024 18:45:20",
      "content": "<p>Hi, how do you find the inaccuracies in the data? Do you examine each image?</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2971218,
          "author_name": "yaolinxiangyu",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/27/2024 01:03:38",
          "content": "<p>Hello, I identified this label noise by building a localization model for the vertebral bodies and intervertebral discs. I will review the samples with larger errors based on the model's output to determine whether the error originates from the data labels or the model itself.<br>\n<img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F094c99951c92c5fc49387d5c37483a5f%2F_20240827085659.png?generation=1724720586870758&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"372642770\"></p>",
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    "2967518": "Hello everyone,\n\nI have found a specific issue in the **Sagittal T2/STIR** series dataset where the label for the **L1/L2** intervertebral disc has been mistakenly placed at the **L2/L3** location. This error occurred in the entry with study_id **372642770** and series_id **1416772288**. Accurate labeling is crucial for spinal anatomy analysis, and such misplacement could lead to significant inaccuracies in any computational models we develop.\n\nI fully appreciate the complexities involved in managing such a detailed dataset and am grateful for the efforts of the official data providers in compiling and sharing these resources with the community. Could we kindly investigate this labeling issue to confirm and rectify the placement? Accurate labeling is essential for our analytical accuracy and the success of our collective research initiatives.🥰\n\nThank you!",
    "2967541": "![372642770_1416772288_Sagittal T2/STIR](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F17ba63eee3acd7959c131df469a9ca8e%2F_20240823111440.png?generation=1724383058327242&alt=media)",
    "2967996": "Hi @ylxy123, it is the known problem. There are many inconsistencies with the data. You can take your time and thoroughly go through discussions and your own validation. The data aspect as much as important  for the competition, if not more, than the modeling itself. So it is our interest to Q/A the data and make it as clean as possible.\n[check this out](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/rsna-2024-lumbar-spine-degenerative-classification/discussion/512048)",
    "2968634": "Sure, thank you! It seems these issues have already been raised by someone. In my subsequent work, I will attempt to identify all the \"problem\" tags and make the necessary corrections.",
    "2971074": "Hi, how do you find the inaccuracies in the data? Do you examine each image?",
    "2971218": "Hello, I identified this label noise by building a localization model for the vertebral bodies and intervertebral discs. I will review the samples with larger errors based on the model's output to determine whether the error originates from the data labels or the model itself.\n![372642770](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F7077415%2F094c99951c92c5fc49387d5c37483a5f%2F_20240827085659.png?generation=1724720586870758&alt=media)"
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