{
  "id": 511626,
  "title": "What is supposed to be done with the condition column in train_label_cordinates.csv",
  "url": "/competitions/rsna-2024-lumbar-spine-degenerative-classification/discussion/511626",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2024-06-11T14:08:59.690085400Z",
  "votes": 2,
  "comment_count": 9,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Why is the condition for the patient (study_id ) eg 4003253 given as spinal canal stenosis in the train_label_cordinates.csv when the trian.csv says that everything is normal/mild?</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "2866783",
      "postDate": "06/11/2024 14:08:59",
      "content": "<p>Why is the condition for the patient (study_id ) eg 4003253 given as spinal canal stenosis in the train_label_cordinates.csv when the trian.csv says that everything is normal/mild?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Why is the condition for the patient (study_id ) eg 4003253 given as spinal canal stenosis in the train_label_cordinates.csv when the trian.csv says that everything is normal/mild?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2866833",
      "postDate": "06/11/2024 14:29:45",
      "content": "<p>This could be an error while labeling the dataset. Best would be ask the organizers or drop that particular id.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This could be an error while labeling the dataset. Best would be ask the organizers or drop that particular id.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2866868",
      "postDate": "06/11/2024 14:44:34",
      "content": "<p>Thank you for your response. I am eager to hear from other people as well.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for your response. I am eager to hear from other people as well.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2866910",
      "postDate": "06/11/2024 14:59:06",
      "content": "<p>Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal condions share the same label. By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal condions share the same label. By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2866972",
      "postDate": "06/11/2024 15:31:36",
      "content": "<p>Maybe it's because the condition belongs to a mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label</p>\n<p>I also thought about it. But then I thought that if this was the case, why would they have put it unnecessarily?  Secondly, if we think about it like this, why are the values in the condition the same for normal/mild, moderate and severe? </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Maybe it's because the condition belongs to a mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label\n\nI also thought about it. But then I thought that if this was the case, why would they have put it unnecessarily?  Secondly, if we think about it like this, why are the values in the condition the same for normal/mild, moderate and severe?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2867010",
      "postDate": "06/11/2024 15:40:31",
      "content": "<p>By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.</p>\n<p>I have just seen the image. To me, that shift in position is not a stenosis disease</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.\n\nI have just seen the image. To me, that shift in position is not a stenosis disease",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2867622",
      "postDate": "06/12/2024 01:35:00",
      "content": "<p>I do not quite get the point of \"why are the values in the conditon the same\". I think that coordinate labels just show an approximate positon of illness, but do not tell us it's mild, moderate or severe.<br>\nBut the dataset may have some wrong labels and hope the host could give a reply.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I do not quite get the point of \"why are the values in the conditon the same\". I think that coordinate labels just show an approximate positon of illness, but do not tell us it's mild, moderate or severe.\nBut the dataset may have some wrong labels and hope the host could give a reply.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2867711",
      "postDate": "06/12/2024 03:40:28",
      "content": "<p>ref1: I do not quite get the point of \"Why are the values in the condition the same\" <br>\nref2: 'Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label.'<br>\nref3: why would they have put it unnecessarily? Assumption 3) Let's say that it has some necessity</p>\n<p>I mean, for example, there are many patients, some of them have severe spinal canal stenosis, some moderate and some normal/mild. Ok? If we think that the condition for that patient belongs to mild level and reads spinal canal stenosis, what happens when the other patients do really have moderate or severe spinal stenosis? The answer is nothing. The value of spinal canal stenosis remains the same even when the patients have moderate or severe canal stenosis. Hence it goes against assumption 3. </p>\n<p>This is my current view of this problem. It may change.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "ref1: I do not quite get the point of \"Why are the values in the condition the same\" \nref2: 'Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label.'\nref3: why would they have put it unnecessarily? Assumption 3) Let's say that it has some necessity\n\nI mean, for example, there are many patients, some of them have severe spinal canal stenosis, some moderate and some normal/mild. Ok? If we think that the condition for that patient belongs to mild level and reads spinal canal stenosis, what happens when the other patients do really have moderate or severe spinal stenosis? The answer is nothing. The value of spinal canal stenosis remains the same even when the patients have moderate or severe canal stenosis. Hence it goes against assumption 3. \n\nThis is my current view of this problem. It may change.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2867911",
      "postDate": "06/12/2024 06:12:48",
      "content": "<p>My initial understanding was that <code>train_label_coordinates</code> contain all combinations of condition and level (that is, 25) except if the image does not contain that region. In that case, <code>train.csv</code> should have that region as <code>NaN</code>.</p>\n<p>While this does hold true for most cases, it does break down for these studies:</p>\n<pre><code>study_id =   74782131 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  267842058 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  267989673 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  293713262 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  296083289 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  305152236 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  344297746 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  376723024 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  390498354 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  434488359 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  597329259 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  665627263 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  693432872 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  893250212 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  934686772 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  953218250 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  979209761 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  998688940 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1047914296 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1133158151 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1143209760 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 1\nstudy_id = 1187463765 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1292979992 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1395773918 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1400326269 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 1431195383 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1452830936 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1557387235 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1567179188 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1613634521 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1681401548 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1722539301 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1745732011 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1868615696 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 2040217841 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2213304029 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2232794498 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2239199413 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2256339732 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2279142182 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2297295777 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2336516775 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2397650165 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2548543893 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2566719718 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2615694902 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2839003053 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2907745008 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2966999234 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3024532039 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3084269121 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3151371929 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3167888497 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3189076268 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3221995449 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3225351618 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3284652867 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3294654272 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3303545110 | unique condition and level: 17 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3428426893 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3515641631 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 3\nstudy_id = 3525503074 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3537214277 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3674744025 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3711891194 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3824720894 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3850173026 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3906279426 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3936691827 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3942485002 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3966998094 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3973705542 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4072455711 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 4127969449 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4137194670 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4146959702 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4232806580 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\n</code></pre>\n<p>Otherwise, all cases have these 5 x 5 combinations of conditions and levels irrespective of severity.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "My initial understanding was that `train_label_coordinates` contain all combinations of condition and level (that is, 25) except if the image does not contain that region. In that case, `train.csv` should have that region as `NaN`.\n\nWhile this does hold true for most cases, it does break down for these studies:\n```text\nstudy_id =   74782131 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  267842058 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  267989673 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  293713262 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  296083289 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  305152236 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  344297746 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  376723024 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  390498354 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  434488359 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  597329259 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  665627263 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  693432872 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  893250212 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  934686772 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  953218250 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  979209761 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  998688940 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1047914296 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1133158151 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1143209760 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 1\nstudy_id = 1187463765 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1292979992 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1395773918 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1400326269 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 1431195383 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1452830936 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1557387235 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1567179188 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1613634521 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1681401548 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1722539301 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1745732011 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1868615696 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 2040217841 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2213304029 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2232794498 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2239199413 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2256339732 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2279142182 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2297295777 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2336516775 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2397650165 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2548543893 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2566719718 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2615694902 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2839003053 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2907745008 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2966999234 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3024532039 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3084269121 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3151371929 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3167888497 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3189076268 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3221995449 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3225351618 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3284652867 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3294654272 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3303545110 | unique condition and level: 17 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3428426893 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3515641631 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 3\nstudy_id = 3525503074 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3537214277 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3674744025 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3711891194 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3824720894 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3850173026 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3906279426 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3936691827 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3942485002 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3966998094 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3973705542 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4072455711 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 4127969449 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4137194670 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4146959702 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4232806580 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\n```\nOtherwise, all cases have these 5 x 5 combinations of conditions and levels irrespective of severity.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2870449",
      "postDate": "06/13/2024 15:36:48",
      "content": "<p>thankyou for this insight</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "thankyou for this insight",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2866833,
      "author_name": "staru09",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "06/11/2024 14:29:45",
      "content": "<p>This could be an error while labeling the dataset. Best would be ask the organizers or drop that particular id.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2866868,
          "author_name": "devsya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "06/11/2024 14:44:34",
          "content": "<p>Thank you for your response. I am eager to hear from other people as well.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2866910,
      "author_name": "shipuxu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "06/11/2024 14:59:06",
      "content": "<p>Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal condions share the same label. By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2866972,
          "author_name": "devsya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "06/11/2024 15:31:36",
          "content": "<p>Maybe it's because the condition belongs to a mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label</p>\n<p>I also thought about it. But then I thought that if this was the case, why would they have put it unnecessarily?  Secondly, if we think about it like this, why are the values in the condition the same for normal/mild, moderate and severe? </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2867622,
              "author_name": "shipuxu",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "06/12/2024 01:35:00",
              "content": "<p>I do not quite get the point of \"why are the values in the conditon the same\". I think that coordinate labels just show an approximate positon of illness, but do not tell us it's mild, moderate or severe.<br>\nBut the dataset may have some wrong labels and hope the host could give a reply.</p>",
              "votes": null,
              "replies": [
                {
                  "id": 2867711,
                  "author_name": "devsya",
                  "author_url": "",
                  "post_date": "06/12/2024 03:40:28",
                  "content": "<p>ref1: I do not quite get the point of \"Why are the values in the condition the same\" <br>\nref2: 'Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label.'<br>\nref3: why would they have put it unnecessarily? Assumption 3) Let's say that it has some necessity</p>\n<p>I mean, for example, there are many patients, some of them have severe spinal canal stenosis, some moderate and some normal/mild. Ok? If we think that the condition for that patient belongs to mild level and reads spinal canal stenosis, what happens when the other patients do really have moderate or severe spinal stenosis? The answer is nothing. The value of spinal canal stenosis remains the same even when the patients have moderate or severe canal stenosis. Hence it goes against assumption 3. </p>\n<p>This is my current view of this problem. It may change.</p>",
                  "votes": null,
                  "replies": []
                }
              ]
            }
          ]
        },
        {
          "id": 2867010,
          "author_name": "devsya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "06/11/2024 15:40:31",
          "content": "<p>By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.</p>\n<p>I have just seen the image. To me, that shift in position is not a stenosis disease</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2867911,
      "author_name": "coderrkj",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "06/12/2024 06:12:48",
      "content": "<p>My initial understanding was that <code>train_label_coordinates</code> contain all combinations of condition and level (that is, 25) except if the image does not contain that region. In that case, <code>train.csv</code> should have that region as <code>NaN</code>.</p>\n<p>While this does hold true for most cases, it does break down for these studies:</p>\n<pre><code>study_id =   74782131 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  267842058 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  267989673 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  293713262 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  296083289 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  305152236 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  344297746 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  376723024 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  390498354 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  434488359 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  597329259 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  665627263 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  693432872 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  893250212 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  934686772 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  953218250 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  979209761 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  998688940 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1047914296 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1133158151 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1143209760 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 1\nstudy_id = 1187463765 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1292979992 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1395773918 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1400326269 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 1431195383 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1452830936 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1557387235 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1567179188 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1613634521 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1681401548 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1722539301 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1745732011 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1868615696 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 2040217841 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2213304029 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2232794498 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2239199413 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2256339732 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2279142182 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2297295777 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2336516775 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2397650165 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2548543893 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2566719718 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2615694902 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2839003053 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2907745008 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2966999234 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3024532039 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3084269121 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3151371929 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3167888497 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3189076268 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3221995449 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3225351618 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3284652867 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3294654272 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3303545110 | unique condition and level: 17 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3428426893 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3515641631 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 3\nstudy_id = 3525503074 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3537214277 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3674744025 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3711891194 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3824720894 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3850173026 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3906279426 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3936691827 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3942485002 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3966998094 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3973705542 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4072455711 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 4127969449 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4137194670 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4146959702 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4232806580 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\n</code></pre>\n<p>Otherwise, all cases have these 5 x 5 combinations of conditions and levels irrespective of severity.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2870449,
          "author_name": "devsya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "06/13/2024 15:36:48",
          "content": "<p>thankyou for this insight</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
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    "2866783": "Why is the condition for the patient (study_id ) eg 4003253 given as spinal canal stenosis in the train_label_cordinates.csv when the trian.csv says that everything is normal/mild?",
    "2866833": "This could be an error while labeling the dataset. Best would be ask the organizers or drop that particular id.",
    "2866868": "Thank you for your response. I am eager to hear from other people as well.",
    "2866910": "Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal condions share the same label. By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.",
    "2866972": "Maybe it's because the condition belongs to a mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label\n\nI also thought about it. But then I thought that if this was the case, why would they have put it unnecessarily?  Secondly, if we think about it like this, why are the values in the condition the same for normal/mild, moderate and severe?",
    "2867010": "By the way, in the image 4003253_2448190387_3, the disc looks abnormal since the disc concaves in the centre part.\n\nI have just seen the image. To me, that shift in position is not a stenosis disease",
    "2867622": "I do not quite get the point of \"why are the values in the conditon the same\". I think that coordinate labels just show an approximate positon of illness, but do not tell us it's mild, moderate or severe.\nBut the dataset may have some wrong labels and hope the host could give a reply.",
    "2867711": "ref1: I do not quite get the point of \"Why are the values in the condition the same\" \nref2: 'Maybe it's because the condition belongs to mild level, as you know, mild and normal conditions share the same label.'\nref3: why would they have put it unnecessarily? Assumption 3) Let's say that it has some necessity\n\nI mean, for example, there are many patients, some of them have severe spinal canal stenosis, some moderate and some normal/mild. Ok? If we think that the condition for that patient belongs to mild level and reads spinal canal stenosis, what happens when the other patients do really have moderate or severe spinal stenosis? The answer is nothing. The value of spinal canal stenosis remains the same even when the patients have moderate or severe canal stenosis. Hence it goes against assumption 3. \n\nThis is my current view of this problem. It may change.",
    "2867911": "My initial understanding was that `train_label_coordinates` contain all combinations of condition and level (that is, 25) except if the image does not contain that region. In that case, `train.csv` should have that region as `NaN`.\n\nWhile this does hold true for most cases, it does break down for these studies:\n```text\nstudy_id =   74782131 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  267842058 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  267989673 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  293713262 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  296083289 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  305152236 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  344297746 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  376723024 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  390498354 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  434488359 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  597329259 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  665627263 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id =  693432872 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  893250212 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  934686772 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id =  953218250 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  979209761 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id =  998688940 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1047914296 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1133158151 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1143209760 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 1\nstudy_id = 1187463765 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1292979992 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1395773918 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1400326269 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 1431195383 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1452830936 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1557387235 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1567179188 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1613634521 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1681401548 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1722539301 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 1745732011 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 1868615696 | unique condition and level: 23 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 2040217841 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2213304029 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2232794498 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2239199413 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2256339732 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2279142182 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2297295777 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2336516775 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2397650165 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2548543893 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2566719718 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2615694902 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2839003053 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 2907745008 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 2966999234 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3024532039 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3084269121 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3151371929 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3167888497 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3189076268 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3221995449 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3225351618 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3284652867 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3294654272 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3303545110 | unique condition and level: 17 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3428426893 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3515641631 | unique condition and level: 21 | missing in train.csv: 3\nstudy_id = 3525503074 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3537214277 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3674744025 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3711891194 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3824720894 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3850173026 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 3906279426 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3936691827 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3942485002 | unique condition and level: 24 | missing in train.csv: 0\nstudy_id = 3966998094 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 3973705542 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4072455711 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\nstudy_id = 4127969449 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4137194670 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4146959702 | unique condition and level: 22 | missing in train.csv: 2\nstudy_id = 4232806580 | unique condition and level: 19 | missing in train.csv: 4\n```\nOtherwise, all cases have these 5 x 5 combinations of conditions and levels irrespective of severity.",
    "2870449": "thankyou for this insight"
  },
  "source": "meta"
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