{
  "id": 209508,
  "title": "shake up or not shake up?",
  "url": "/competitions/riiid-test-answer-prediction/discussion/209508",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2021-01-07T18:52:27.794509900Z",
  "votes": 5,
  "comment_count": 14,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Guys, it looks we miss one usual thread! Shake up or not shake up for this competition?<br>\nI think (hope) shake up will be low because:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>CV/LB was consistent so far</li>\n<li>We had a lot of data</li>\n</ul>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "1143098",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 18:52:27",
      "content": "<p>Guys, it looks we miss one usual thread! Shake up or not shake up for this competition?<br>\nI think (hope) shake up will be low because:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>CV/LB was consistent so far</li>\n<li>We had a lot of data</li>\n</ul>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Guys, it looks we miss one usual thread! Shake up or not shake up for this competition?\nI think (hope) shake up will be low because:\n- CV/LB was consistent so far\n- We had a lot of data",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143109",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 18:57:54",
      "content": "<p>Fairly small shakeup, I guess. I would add that many people reported their intermediate private score and from what I could see it was in the +- 0.002 range</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Fairly small shakeup, I guess. I would add that many people reported their intermediate private score and from what I could see it was in the +- 0.002 range",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143198",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 19:35:57",
      "content": "<p>Agreed, my CV / LB been consistent throughout all of my submissions, it is very unlikely that private dataset score is any different.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Agreed, my CV / LB been consistent throughout all of my submissions, it is very unlikely that private dataset score is any different.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143240",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:02:33",
      "content": "<p>How soon after deadline is the private leaderboard revealed? First competition for me, this is all new :) Thanks</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "How soon after deadline is the private leaderboard revealed? First competition for me, this is all new :) Thanks",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143245",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:04:43",
      "content": "<p>Immediately. Then some cleanup could be done if Kaggle finds some cheaters and usually after a few days it's frozen.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Immediately. Then some cleanup could be done if Kaggle finds some cheaters and usually after a few days it's frozen.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143248",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:05:58",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/darren1515\" target=\"_blank\">@darren1515</a>, private LB is revealed immediately but finalized a few days later after all cheaters are removed and results verified.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "darren1515, private LB is revealed immediately but finalized a few days later after all cheaters are removed and results verified.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143256",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:11:18",
      "content": "<p>Thanks both </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks both",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143272",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:22:10",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/mpware\" target=\"_blank\">@mpware</a> Could I submit before deadline, but leave the notebook running for grading after the deadline? Would it be considered for my final score ? </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "mpware Could I submit before deadline, but leave the notebook running for grading after the deadline? Would it be considered for my final score ?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143298",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:39:08",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/abdessalemboukil\" target=\"_blank\">@abdessalemboukil</a>, your final selections must finish running before the dateline i.e. only choose submissions with public scores showing as your final 2.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "abdessalemboukil, your final selections must finish running before the dateline i.e. only choose submissions with public scores showing as your final 2.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143301",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:41:22",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/abdessalemboukil\" target=\"_blank\">@abdessalemboukil</a> no, it's a bit late now except if your submission can finish within 3 hours.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "abdessalemboukil no, it's a bit late now except if your submission can finish within 3 hours.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143306",
      "postDate": "01/07/2021 20:45:29",
      "content": "<p>Oh that sucks! I got my model improved by 0.002 , the specifications of the competition confused me. Thanks for the clarification though!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Oh that sucks! I got my model improved by 0.002 , the specifications of the competition confused me. Thanks for the clarification though!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143527",
      "postDate": "01/08/2021 00:10:29",
      "content": "<p>So almost no shake up!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "So almost no shake up!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143631",
      "postDate": "01/08/2021 01:21:46",
      "content": "<p>Well, I didn't take part, but ran my script anyway out of curiosity: here's the plot, not quite worthy of a new topic…</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F347463%2F43f5a70a35e773d4153858f818019e82%2Friiid-test-answer-prediction-shakeup.png?generation=1610068750477129&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>\n<p>The top shake-ups ranked by scatter plot file size are <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/jtrotman/meta-kaggle-scatter-plot-competition-shake-up\" target=\"_blank\">here</a>.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Well, I didn't take part, but ran my script anyway out of curiosity: here's the plot, not quite worthy of a new topic...\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F347463%2F43f5a70a35e773d4153858f818019e82%2Friiid-test-answer-prediction-shakeup.png?generation=1610068750477129&alt=media)\n\nThe top shake-ups ranked by scatter plot file size are [here][1].\n\n[1]: https://www.kaggle.com/jtrotman/meta-kaggle-scatter-plot-competition-shake-up",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1143898",
      "postDate": "01/08/2021 05:56:45",
      "content": "<p>yes almost no shake up, is it always no shake up like this if competition has big amount of data?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "yes almost no shake up, is it always no shake up like this if competition has big amount of data?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1144071",
      "postDate": "01/08/2021 08:11:01",
      "content": "<p>No, it depends also of the quality of data (bad labels …) and split public/private.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "No, it depends also of the quality of data (bad labels ...) and split public/private.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1143109,
      "author_name": "stecasasso",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "01/07/2021 18:57:54",
      "content": "<p>Fairly small shakeup, I guess. I would add that many people reported their intermediate private score and from what I could see it was in the +- 0.002 range</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1143198,
          "author_name": "abdessalemboukil",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 19:35:57",
          "content": "<p>Agreed, my CV / LB been consistent throughout all of my submissions, it is very unlikely that private dataset score is any different.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1143240,
      "author_name": "darren1515",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:02:33",
      "content": "<p>How soon after deadline is the private leaderboard revealed? First competition for me, this is all new :) Thanks</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1143245,
          "author_name": "mpware",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:04:43",
          "content": "<p>Immediately. Then some cleanup could be done if Kaggle finds some cheaters and usually after a few days it's frozen.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1143248,
          "author_name": "sheriytm",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:05:58",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/darren1515\" target=\"_blank\">@darren1515</a>, private LB is revealed immediately but finalized a few days later after all cheaters are removed and results verified.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1143256,
          "author_name": "darren1515",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:11:18",
          "content": "<p>Thanks both </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1143272,
          "author_name": "abdessalemboukil",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:22:10",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/mpware\" target=\"_blank\">@mpware</a> Could I submit before deadline, but leave the notebook running for grading after the deadline? Would it be considered for my final score ? </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1143298,
          "author_name": "sheriytm",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:39:08",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/abdessalemboukil\" target=\"_blank\">@abdessalemboukil</a>, your final selections must finish running before the dateline i.e. only choose submissions with public scores showing as your final 2.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1143301,
          "author_name": "mpware",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:41:22",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/abdessalemboukil\" target=\"_blank\">@abdessalemboukil</a> no, it's a bit late now except if your submission can finish within 3 hours.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1143306,
          "author_name": "abdessalemboukil",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/07/2021 20:45:29",
          "content": "<p>Oh that sucks! I got my model improved by 0.002 , the specifications of the competition confused me. Thanks for the clarification though!</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1143527,
      "author_name": "mpware",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "01/08/2021 00:10:29",
      "content": "<p>So almost no shake up!</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1143898,
          "author_name": "superchenhao",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/08/2021 05:56:45",
          "content": "<p>yes almost no shake up, is it always no shake up like this if competition has big amount of data?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1144071,
          "author_name": "mpware",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/08/2021 08:11:01",
          "content": "<p>No, it depends also of the quality of data (bad labels …) and split public/private.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1143631,
      "author_name": "jtrotman",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "01/08/2021 01:21:46",
      "content": "<p>Well, I didn't take part, but ran my script anyway out of curiosity: here's the plot, not quite worthy of a new topic…</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F347463%2F43f5a70a35e773d4153858f818019e82%2Friiid-test-answer-prediction-shakeup.png?generation=1610068750477129&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>\n<p>The top shake-ups ranked by scatter plot file size are <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/jtrotman/meta-kaggle-scatter-plot-competition-shake-up\" target=\"_blank\">here</a>.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    }
  ],
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    "1143098": "Guys, it looks we miss one usual thread! Shake up or not shake up for this competition?\nI think (hope) shake up will be low because:\n- CV/LB was consistent so far\n- We had a lot of data",
    "1143109": "Fairly small shakeup, I guess. I would add that many people reported their intermediate private score and from what I could see it was in the +- 0.002 range",
    "1143198": "Agreed, my CV / LB been consistent throughout all of my submissions, it is very unlikely that private dataset score is any different.",
    "1143240": "How soon after deadline is the private leaderboard revealed? First competition for me, this is all new :) Thanks",
    "1143245": "Immediately. Then some cleanup could be done if Kaggle finds some cheaters and usually after a few days it's frozen.",
    "1143248": "darren1515, private LB is revealed immediately but finalized a few days later after all cheaters are removed and results verified.",
    "1143256": "Thanks both",
    "1143272": "mpware Could I submit before deadline, but leave the notebook running for grading after the deadline? Would it be considered for my final score ?",
    "1143298": "abdessalemboukil, your final selections must finish running before the dateline i.e. only choose submissions with public scores showing as your final 2.",
    "1143301": "abdessalemboukil no, it's a bit late now except if your submission can finish within 3 hours.",
    "1143306": "Oh that sucks! I got my model improved by 0.002 , the specifications of the competition confused me. Thanks for the clarification though!",
    "1143527": "So almost no shake up!",
    "1143631": "Well, I didn't take part, but ran my script anyway out of curiosity: here's the plot, not quite worthy of a new topic...\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F347463%2F43f5a70a35e773d4153858f818019e82%2Friiid-test-answer-prediction-shakeup.png?generation=1610068750477129&alt=media)\n\nThe top shake-ups ranked by scatter plot file size are [here][1].\n\n[1]: https://www.kaggle.com/jtrotman/meta-kaggle-scatter-plot-competition-shake-up",
    "1143898": "yes almost no shake up, is it always no shake up like this if competition has big amount of data?",
    "1144071": "No, it depends also of the quality of data (bad labels ...) and split public/private."
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