{
  "id": 220872,
  "title": "Bounding box annotations of 2.3k tracheostomy tubes",
  "url": "/competitions/ranzcr-clip-catheter-line-classification/discussion/220872",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2021-02-19T23:10:29.544478400Z",
  "votes": 37,
  "comment_count": 15,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Hi all, </p>\n<p>i'm a radiologist and I hope some of you find the dataset i made useful:<br>\ni segmented  2231 tracheostomy tubes from  x-rays of the dataset of the current challenge.</p>\n<p>You can find them here:<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/sandorkonya/23k-tracheostomy-tube-annotated-on-chest-xray\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/sandorkonya/23k-tracheostomy-tube-annotated-on-chest-xray</a><br>\n(note: do not use dots in the dataset name…  :P  )</p>\n<p>… 5k trachea bifurcation annotations are also coming, so stay tuned.</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "1211044",
      "postDate": "02/19/2021 23:10:29",
      "content": "<p>Hi all, </p>\n<p>i'm a radiologist and I hope some of you find the dataset i made useful:<br>\ni segmented  2231 tracheostomy tubes from  x-rays of the dataset of the current challenge.</p>\n<p>You can find them here:<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/sandorkonya/23k-tracheostomy-tube-annotated-on-chest-xray\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/sandorkonya/23k-tracheostomy-tube-annotated-on-chest-xray</a><br>\n(note: do not use dots in the dataset name…  :P  )</p>\n<p>… 5k trachea bifurcation annotations are also coming, so stay tuned.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi all, \n\ni'm a radiologist and I hope some of you find the dataset i made useful:\ni segmented  2231 tracheostomy tubes from  x-rays of the dataset of the current challenge.\n\nYou can find them here:\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/sandorkonya/23k-tracheostomy-tube-annotated-on-chest-xray\n(note: do not use dots in the dataset name...  :P  )\n\n\n... 5k trachea bifurcation annotations are also coming, so stay tuned.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211052",
      "postDate": "02/19/2021 23:26:12",
      "content": "<p>Thanks doc.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks doc.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211060",
      "postDate": "02/19/2021 23:36:02",
      "content": "<p>Amazing.  Thanks a lot!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Amazing.  Thanks a lot!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211244",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 05:12:35",
      "content": "<p>We really appreciate it. Thank you very much!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "We really appreciate it. Thank you very much!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211334",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 06:25:43",
      "content": "<p>i think kaggle should introduce a scheme to give credits to dataset creator like you if the final top winning solution uses your work.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "i think kaggle should introduce a scheme to give credits to dataset creator like you if the final top winning solution uses your work.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211383",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 07:05:29",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/hengck23\" target=\"_blank\">@hengck23</a> ,</p>\n<p>ideally such data contributes to the team's success and gets  published afterwards. <br>\nMy teammembers got other priorities, do not further participate in the present competition and I did not want the work to get completely lost.<br>\nNevertheless an upvote on the data gets me somewhat further with kaggle's perks =)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "hengck23 ,\n\nideally such data contributes to the team's success and gets  published afterwards. \nMy teammembers got other priorities, do not further participate in the present competition and I did not want the work to get completely lost.\nNevertheless an upvote on the data gets me somewhat further with kaggle's perks =)",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211386",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 07:06:14",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/nguyenbadung\" target=\"_blank\">@nguyenbadung</a>, <br>\nmore coming ;)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "nguyenbadung, \nmore coming ;)",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211708",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 13:19:51",
      "content": "<p>Just my 2 cents here - and please do not take it too personally - your work is really appreciated. I think these have little value to the competition.</p>\n<p>Tracheostomy tubes cannot(?) be borderline/abnormal (as train labels confirm that based on your annotations - all <code>ETT - Normal</code>). So any model would pick them up easily - if tracheostomy =&gt; 1.0 probability for <code>ETT - Normal</code> category.</p>\n<p>To confirm this, I took one of my model predictions. sampled 2k non <code>ETT - Normal</code> images as negatives for your tracheostomy cases. Model AUC = 0.999 on this stratified sample.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Just my 2 cents here - and please do not take it too personally - your work is really appreciated. I think these have little value to the competition.\n\nTracheostomy tubes cannot(?) be borderline/abnormal (as train labels confirm that based on your annotations - all `ETT - Normal`). So any model would pick them up easily - if tracheostomy => 1.0 probability for `ETT - Normal` category.\n\nTo confirm this, I took one of my model predictions. sampled 2k non `ETT - Normal` images as negatives for your tracheostomy cases. Model AUC = 0.999 on this stratified sample.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1211757",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 14:13:19",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/raddar\" target=\"_blank\">@raddar</a> ,</p>\n<p>hi there, i observed exactly the same: in this dataset there was no abnormally placed thracheostomy tube… which on the other hand would have been pretty hard to detect if we cannot identify a tracheostomy tube vs. ETT.<br>\nFYI a tracheostomy tube could be misplaced to, but it causes pretty rapidly clinically relavant symptomes so it's malposition is w/o imaging pretty obvious =)</p>\n<p>This is why i annotated them for further investigation to see whether any of them is abnormal at all… and - as you - i did not find any in the dataset…  so your assumption: if tracheostomy tube ~= \"ETT Normal\" label is probably correct.</p>\n<p>There were cases however (with only partially captured ETT's  or wire-strengthened ETT's that have been mislabelled as tracheostomy tube, but they were even all \"ETT normal\" anyway.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "raddar ,\n\nhi there, i observed exactly the same: in this dataset there was no abnormally placed thracheostomy tube... which on the other hand would have been pretty hard to detect if we cannot identify a tracheostomy tube vs. ETT.\nFYI a tracheostomy tube could be misplaced to, but it causes pretty rapidly clinically relavant symptomes so it's malposition is w/o imaging pretty obvious =)\n\nThis is why i annotated them for further investigation to see whether any of them is abnormal at all... and - as you - i did not find any in the dataset...  so your assumption: if tracheostomy tube ~= \"ETT Normal\" label is probably correct.\n\nThere were cases however (with only partially captured ETT's  or wire-strengthened ETT's that have been mislabelled as tracheostomy tube, but they were even all \"ETT normal\" anyway.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1212019",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 19:26:25",
      "content": "<p>I did some quick pseudolabeling on remaining train set, these were picked up:</p>\n<p>['1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10691109321215449169858921729737657552',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.66720904138960949145882479059576919204',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.99506083249595014359124859275968802835',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.11947414383094977021120146998340264825',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.12521684042177560843225639265615222030',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10403643318820518980119415879496953467',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.13380144744220166212663042237373006283',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.22544742954181425156936634481475702500',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.18386757238555595487710768413991842410',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.89731243445631162862494675265766306590',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.74610493264621702314300635578142075251',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.78250685323360307738948154683455025022',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26040311428295892195247941419133654159',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26025410563246460470961780945557113068',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.43291508294149348778091794222222641436',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.33308596717182494805755647707550375551',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.71070306150092575551403902997688327271',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.47425394958331616747477785636847932948',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.51453968865050617560669858565163944718',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.49105589657274382470535120468435810820']</p>\n<p>These do contain Borderline. Could you confirm if these are also tracheostomies?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I did some quick pseudolabeling on remaining train set, these were picked up:\n\n['1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10691109321215449169858921729737657552',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.66720904138960949145882479059576919204',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.99506083249595014359124859275968802835',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.11947414383094977021120146998340264825',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.12521684042177560843225639265615222030',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10403643318820518980119415879496953467',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.13380144744220166212663042237373006283',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.22544742954181425156936634481475702500',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.18386757238555595487710768413991842410',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.89731243445631162862494675265766306590',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.74610493264621702314300635578142075251',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.78250685323360307738948154683455025022',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26040311428295892195247941419133654159',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26025410563246460470961780945557113068',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.43291508294149348778091794222222641436',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.33308596717182494805755647707550375551',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.71070306150092575551403902997688327271',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.47425394958331616747477785636847932948',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.51453968865050617560669858565163944718',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.49105589657274382470535120468435810820']\n\n\nThese do contain Borderline. Could you confirm if these are also tracheostomies?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1212050",
      "postDate": "02/20/2021 20:25:33",
      "content": "<p>Not all of them are tracheostomy tubes:</p>\n<p>1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957, this is  TT  (there is a tube in projection of the right main bronchus to but extracorporal =) very tricky)<br>\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572, this is the case i was talking about --&gt; probably ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT partially caught<br>\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453<br>\n --&gt; again ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT</p>\n<p>The others are all TT from probably different vendors (due to differences in appearance).</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Not all of them are tracheostomy tubes:\n\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957, this is  TT  (there is a tube in projection of the right main bronchus to but extracorporal =) very tricky)\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572, this is the case i was talking about --> probably ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT partially caught\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453\n --> again ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT\n\nThe others are all TT from probably different vendors (due to differences in appearance).",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1212701",
      "postDate": "02/21/2021 13:49:17",
      "content": "<p>Amazing!<br>\nBut how can we use it?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Amazing!\nBut how can we use it?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1212743",
      "postDate": "02/21/2021 14:34:47",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/zekunn\" target=\"_blank\">@zekunn</a>,<br>\nwell, it seems that every TT is labelled as \"ETT - Normal\" in the dataset, so if there is a TT on the image, it cannot be \"Abnormal\" - at least on the images in this competition.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "zekunn,\nwell, it seems that every TT is labelled as \"ETT - Normal\" in the dataset, so if there is a TT on the image, it cannot be \"Abnormal\" - at least on the images in this competition.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1212745",
      "postDate": "02/21/2021 14:38:28",
      "content": "<p>Thanks, we can label them!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks, we can label them!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1214382",
      "postDate": "02/22/2021 19:48:51",
      "content": "<p>Thank you!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thank you!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1218904",
      "postDate": "02/26/2021 09:19:40",
      "content": "<p>Great work. Can you share any kernel which uses this dataset? Thanks in advance.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Great work. Can you share any kernel which uses this dataset? Thanks in advance.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1211052,
      "author_name": "underwearfitting",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/19/2021 23:26:12",
      "content": "<p>Thanks doc.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1211060,
      "author_name": "virilo",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/19/2021 23:36:02",
      "content": "<p>Amazing.  Thanks a lot!</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1211244,
      "author_name": "nguyenbadung",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/20/2021 05:12:35",
      "content": "<p>We really appreciate it. Thank you very much!</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1211386,
          "author_name": "sandorkonya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/20/2021 07:06:14",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/nguyenbadung\" target=\"_blank\">@nguyenbadung</a>, <br>\nmore coming ;)</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1211334,
      "author_name": "hengck23",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/20/2021 06:25:43",
      "content": "<p>i think kaggle should introduce a scheme to give credits to dataset creator like you if the final top winning solution uses your work.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1211383,
          "author_name": "sandorkonya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/20/2021 07:05:29",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/hengck23\" target=\"_blank\">@hengck23</a> ,</p>\n<p>ideally such data contributes to the team's success and gets  published afterwards. <br>\nMy teammembers got other priorities, do not further participate in the present competition and I did not want the work to get completely lost.<br>\nNevertheless an upvote on the data gets me somewhat further with kaggle's perks =)</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1211708,
      "author_name": "raddar",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/20/2021 13:19:51",
      "content": "<p>Just my 2 cents here - and please do not take it too personally - your work is really appreciated. I think these have little value to the competition.</p>\n<p>Tracheostomy tubes cannot(?) be borderline/abnormal (as train labels confirm that based on your annotations - all <code>ETT - Normal</code>). So any model would pick them up easily - if tracheostomy =&gt; 1.0 probability for <code>ETT - Normal</code> category.</p>\n<p>To confirm this, I took one of my model predictions. sampled 2k non <code>ETT - Normal</code> images as negatives for your tracheostomy cases. Model AUC = 0.999 on this stratified sample.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1211757,
          "author_name": "sandorkonya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/20/2021 14:13:19",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/raddar\" target=\"_blank\">@raddar</a> ,</p>\n<p>hi there, i observed exactly the same: in this dataset there was no abnormally placed thracheostomy tube… which on the other hand would have been pretty hard to detect if we cannot identify a tracheostomy tube vs. ETT.<br>\nFYI a tracheostomy tube could be misplaced to, but it causes pretty rapidly clinically relavant symptomes so it's malposition is w/o imaging pretty obvious =)</p>\n<p>This is why i annotated them for further investigation to see whether any of them is abnormal at all… and - as you - i did not find any in the dataset…  so your assumption: if tracheostomy tube ~= \"ETT Normal\" label is probably correct.</p>\n<p>There were cases however (with only partially captured ETT's  or wire-strengthened ETT's that have been mislabelled as tracheostomy tube, but they were even all \"ETT normal\" anyway.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1212019,
          "author_name": "raddar",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/20/2021 19:26:25",
          "content": "<p>I did some quick pseudolabeling on remaining train set, these were picked up:</p>\n<p>['1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10691109321215449169858921729737657552',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.66720904138960949145882479059576919204',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.99506083249595014359124859275968802835',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.11947414383094977021120146998340264825',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.12521684042177560843225639265615222030',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10403643318820518980119415879496953467',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.13380144744220166212663042237373006283',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.22544742954181425156936634481475702500',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.18386757238555595487710768413991842410',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.89731243445631162862494675265766306590',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.74610493264621702314300635578142075251',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.78250685323360307738948154683455025022',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26040311428295892195247941419133654159',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26025410563246460470961780945557113068',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.43291508294149348778091794222222641436',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.33308596717182494805755647707550375551',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.71070306150092575551403902997688327271',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.47425394958331616747477785636847932948',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.51453968865050617560669858565163944718',<br>\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.49105589657274382470535120468435810820']</p>\n<p>These do contain Borderline. Could you confirm if these are also tracheostomies?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1212050,
          "author_name": "sandorkonya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/20/2021 20:25:33",
          "content": "<p>Not all of them are tracheostomy tubes:</p>\n<p>1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957, this is  TT  (there is a tube in projection of the right main bronchus to but extracorporal =) very tricky)<br>\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572, this is the case i was talking about --&gt; probably ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT partially caught<br>\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453<br>\n --&gt; again ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT</p>\n<p>The others are all TT from probably different vendors (due to differences in appearance).</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1212701,
      "author_name": "zekunn",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/21/2021 13:49:17",
      "content": "<p>Amazing!<br>\nBut how can we use it?</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1212743,
          "author_name": "sandorkonya",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/21/2021 14:34:47",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/zekunn\" target=\"_blank\">@zekunn</a>,<br>\nwell, it seems that every TT is labelled as \"ETT - Normal\" in the dataset, so if there is a TT on the image, it cannot be \"Abnormal\" - at least on the images in this competition.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1212745,
          "author_name": "zekunn",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/21/2021 14:38:28",
          "content": "<p>Thanks, we can label them!</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1214382,
      "author_name": "atamazian",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/22/2021 19:48:51",
      "content": "<p>Thank you!</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1218904,
      "author_name": "durbin164",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/26/2021 09:19:40",
      "content": "<p>Great work. Can you share any kernel which uses this dataset? Thanks in advance.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    }
  ],
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    "1211044": "Hi all, \n\ni'm a radiologist and I hope some of you find the dataset i made useful:\ni segmented  2231 tracheostomy tubes from  x-rays of the dataset of the current challenge.\n\nYou can find them here:\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/sandorkonya/23k-tracheostomy-tube-annotated-on-chest-xray\n(note: do not use dots in the dataset name...  :P  )\n\n\n... 5k trachea bifurcation annotations are also coming, so stay tuned.",
    "1211052": "Thanks doc.",
    "1211060": "Amazing.  Thanks a lot!",
    "1211244": "We really appreciate it. Thank you very much!",
    "1211334": "i think kaggle should introduce a scheme to give credits to dataset creator like you if the final top winning solution uses your work.",
    "1211383": "hengck23 ,\n\nideally such data contributes to the team's success and gets  published afterwards. \nMy teammembers got other priorities, do not further participate in the present competition and I did not want the work to get completely lost.\nNevertheless an upvote on the data gets me somewhat further with kaggle's perks =)",
    "1211386": "nguyenbadung, \nmore coming ;)",
    "1211708": "Just my 2 cents here - and please do not take it too personally - your work is really appreciated. I think these have little value to the competition.\n\nTracheostomy tubes cannot(?) be borderline/abnormal (as train labels confirm that based on your annotations - all `ETT - Normal`). So any model would pick them up easily - if tracheostomy => 1.0 probability for `ETT - Normal` category.\n\nTo confirm this, I took one of my model predictions. sampled 2k non `ETT - Normal` images as negatives for your tracheostomy cases. Model AUC = 0.999 on this stratified sample.",
    "1211757": "raddar ,\n\nhi there, i observed exactly the same: in this dataset there was no abnormally placed thracheostomy tube... which on the other hand would have been pretty hard to detect if we cannot identify a tracheostomy tube vs. ETT.\nFYI a tracheostomy tube could be misplaced to, but it causes pretty rapidly clinically relavant symptomes so it's malposition is w/o imaging pretty obvious =)\n\nThis is why i annotated them for further investigation to see whether any of them is abnormal at all... and - as you - i did not find any in the dataset...  so your assumption: if tracheostomy tube ~= \"ETT Normal\" label is probably correct.\n\nThere were cases however (with only partially captured ETT's  or wire-strengthened ETT's that have been mislabelled as tracheostomy tube, but they were even all \"ETT normal\" anyway.",
    "1212019": "I did some quick pseudolabeling on remaining train set, these were picked up:\n\n['1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10691109321215449169858921729737657552',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.66720904138960949145882479059576919204',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.99506083249595014359124859275968802835',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.11947414383094977021120146998340264825',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.12521684042177560843225639265615222030',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10403643318820518980119415879496953467',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.13380144744220166212663042237373006283',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.22544742954181425156936634481475702500',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.18386757238555595487710768413991842410',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.89731243445631162862494675265766306590',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.74610493264621702314300635578142075251',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.78250685323360307738948154683455025022',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26040311428295892195247941419133654159',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.26025410563246460470961780945557113068',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.43291508294149348778091794222222641436',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.33308596717182494805755647707550375551',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.71070306150092575551403902997688327271',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.47425394958331616747477785636847932948',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.51453968865050617560669858565163944718',\n '1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.49105589657274382470535120468435810820']\n\n\nThese do contain Borderline. Could you confirm if these are also tracheostomies?",
    "1212050": "Not all of them are tracheostomy tubes:\n\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.67765185042322560730445282680235021957, this is  TT  (there is a tube in projection of the right main bronchus to but extracorporal =) very tricky)\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.10128199840925023408402703824969146572, this is the case i was talking about --> probably ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT partially caught\n1.2.826.0.1.3680043.8.498.84939523501306668183596702990832330453\n --> again ETT with reinforcements or special reinforced TT\n\nThe others are all TT from probably different vendors (due to differences in appearance).",
    "1212701": "Amazing!\nBut how can we use it?",
    "1212743": "zekunn,\nwell, it seems that every TT is labelled as \"ETT - Normal\" in the dataset, so if there is a TT on the image, it cannot be \"Abnormal\" - at least on the images in this competition.",
    "1212745": "Thanks, we can label them!",
    "1214382": "Thank you!",
    "1218904": "Great work. Can you share any kernel which uses this dataset? Thanks in advance."
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