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  "id": 216887,
  "title": "Reason why a person can have CVC(Normal) And CVC(Abnormal) values at the same time?",
  "url": "/competitions/ranzcr-clip-catheter-line-classification/discussion/216887",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2021-02-04T12:22:18.793638600Z",
  "votes": 14,
  "comment_count": 4,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Hello Everyone,<br>\nAs I was doing analysis of the data , I found that a single image can have CVC normal and CVC abnormal. Also for the same patient we have different targets distribution on different images . A logical explanation to the second point would be that the same person might be having different catheters during different time periods , but I can't find an explanation for the first point . How can the same image of a patient have one normal and one abnormal CVC .</p>\n<p>On a similar note I have found that for the same Image we can have NGT - Incompletely Imaged and NGT normal or abnormal , this again raises another question that if the NGT was not correctly visible then how can the same image have NGT normal or abnormal . If the answer to this is a person can have multiple catheters at the same time , then also why would the same person need different catheters at the same location?</p>\n<p>It would be really helpful if the organizers or someone from the community could help to provide some clarification </p>\n<p>Thanks for reading</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "1185851",
      "postDate": "02/04/2021 12:22:18",
      "content": "<p>Hello Everyone,<br>\nAs I was doing analysis of the data , I found that a single image can have CVC normal and CVC abnormal. Also for the same patient we have different targets distribution on different images . A logical explanation to the second point would be that the same person might be having different catheters during different time periods , but I can't find an explanation for the first point . How can the same image of a patient have one normal and one abnormal CVC .</p>\n<p>On a similar note I have found that for the same Image we can have NGT - Incompletely Imaged and NGT normal or abnormal , this again raises another question that if the NGT was not correctly visible then how can the same image have NGT normal or abnormal . If the answer to this is a person can have multiple catheters at the same time , then also why would the same person need different catheters at the same location?</p>\n<p>It would be really helpful if the organizers or someone from the community could help to provide some clarification </p>\n<p>Thanks for reading</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hello Everyone,\nAs I was doing analysis of the data , I found that a single image can have CVC normal and CVC abnormal. Also for the same patient we have different targets distribution on different images . A logical explanation to the second point would be that the same person might be having different catheters during different time periods , but I can't find an explanation for the first point . How can the same image of a patient have one normal and one abnormal CVC .\n\nOn a similar note I have found that for the same Image we can have NGT - Incompletely Imaged and NGT normal or abnormal , this again raises another question that if the NGT was not correctly visible then how can the same image have NGT normal or abnormal . If the answer to this is a person can have multiple catheters at the same time , then also why would the same person need different catheters at the same location?\n\nIt would be really helpful if the organizers or someone from the community could help to provide some clarification \n\nThanks for reading",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1185913",
      "postDate": "02/04/2021 13:34:29",
      "content": "<p>One catheter  for one drug - multiple catheters for multiple drugs (probably not good to mix drugs in one tube). Therefore multiple CVC can be inserted- each having its own position too.</p>\n<p>NGT is interesting case.. but there are people with multiple NGT inserted - each having its own position too.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "One catheter  for one drug - multiple catheters for multiple drugs (probably not good to mix drugs in one tube). Therefore multiple CVC can be inserted- each having its own position too.\n\nNGT is interesting case.. but there are people with multiple NGT inserted - each having its own position too.",
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    },
    {
      "id": "1187270",
      "postDate": "02/05/2021 10:26:24",
      "content": "<p>Thanks for the clarification, it really simplifies things now</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for the clarification, it really simplifies things now",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1204747",
      "postDate": "02/16/2021 10:23:23",
      "content": "<p>You can have an NGT for decompression / sucking stuff out of the stomach, and an NGT for feeding (which is inserted into the duodenum, the first part of the small intestine)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "You can have an NGT for decompression / sucking stuff out of the stomach, and an NGT for feeding (which is inserted into the duodenum, the first part of the small intestine)",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1204750",
      "postDate": "02/16/2021 10:24:41",
      "content": "<p>Which might sound counterintuitive, but all of the absorption of nutrients from food comes after the stomach (which is mostly just a processing plant, smooshing food into a paste for optimal absorption)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Which might sound counterintuitive, but all of the absorption of nutrients from food comes after the stomach (which is mostly just a processing plant, smooshing food into a paste for optimal absorption)",
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  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1185913,
      "author_name": "raddar",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/04/2021 13:34:29",
      "content": "<p>One catheter  for one drug - multiple catheters for multiple drugs (probably not good to mix drugs in one tube). Therefore multiple CVC can be inserted- each having its own position too.</p>\n<p>NGT is interesting case.. but there are people with multiple NGT inserted - each having its own position too.</p>",
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          "id": 1187270,
          "author_name": "tanulsingh077",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/05/2021 10:26:24",
          "content": "<p>Thanks for the clarification, it really simplifies things now</p>",
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          "id": 1204747,
          "author_name": "reubenschmidt",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/16/2021 10:23:23",
          "content": "<p>You can have an NGT for decompression / sucking stuff out of the stomach, and an NGT for feeding (which is inserted into the duodenum, the first part of the small intestine)</p>",
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          "id": 1204750,
          "author_name": "reubenschmidt",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/16/2021 10:24:41",
          "content": "<p>Which might sound counterintuitive, but all of the absorption of nutrients from food comes after the stomach (which is mostly just a processing plant, smooshing food into a paste for optimal absorption)</p>",
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    "1185851": "Hello Everyone,\nAs I was doing analysis of the data , I found that a single image can have CVC normal and CVC abnormal. Also for the same patient we have different targets distribution on different images . A logical explanation to the second point would be that the same person might be having different catheters during different time periods , but I can't find an explanation for the first point . How can the same image of a patient have one normal and one abnormal CVC .\n\nOn a similar note I have found that for the same Image we can have NGT - Incompletely Imaged and NGT normal or abnormal , this again raises another question that if the NGT was not correctly visible then how can the same image have NGT normal or abnormal . If the answer to this is a person can have multiple catheters at the same time , then also why would the same person need different catheters at the same location?\n\nIt would be really helpful if the organizers or someone from the community could help to provide some clarification \n\nThanks for reading",
    "1185913": "One catheter  for one drug - multiple catheters for multiple drugs (probably not good to mix drugs in one tube). Therefore multiple CVC can be inserted- each having its own position too.\n\nNGT is interesting case.. but there are people with multiple NGT inserted - each having its own position too.",
    "1187270": "Thanks for the clarification, it really simplifies things now",
    "1204747": "You can have an NGT for decompression / sucking stuff out of the stomach, and an NGT for feeding (which is inserted into the duodenum, the first part of the small intestine)",
    "1204750": "Which might sound counterintuitive, but all of the absorption of nutrients from food comes after the stomach (which is mostly just a processing plant, smooshing food into a paste for optimal absorption)"
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