Dear Kagglers,
\n\nI believe you all know I love kernels and sharing stuff but the current trend of forking and not upvoting does not really help anyone.
\n\nTwo examples :
\n\nThese gifted kagglers, Masters and Grandmasters, share great materials for us to get better in Deep Learning I believe the least would be to upvote when you fork.
\n\nI hear you guys say no one forced them to share anything, sharing is their free gift to the community. Well I'd answer if you use their skills to climb the LB the least you could do is upvote.
\n\nHope this trend will reverse
\n\nThanks for your help in keeping the community an enjoyable place.
\n\nYours SINCERLY ;-)
", "messages": [ { "id": 417374, "postDate": "2018-11-08T06:51:48.697Z", "content": "Dear Kagglers,
\n\nI believe you all know I love kernels and sharing stuff but the current trend of forking and not upvoting does not really help anyone.
\n\nTwo examples :
\n\nThese gifted kagglers, Masters and Grandmasters, share great materials for us to get better in Deep Learning I believe the least would be to upvote when you fork.
\n\nI hear you guys say no one forced them to share anything, sharing is their free gift to the community. Well I'd answer if you use their skills to climb the LB the least you could do is upvote.
\n\nHope this trend will reverse
\n\nThanks for your help in keeping the community an enjoyable place.
\n\nYours SINCERLY ;-)
", "rawMarkdown": "Dear Kagglers,\n\nI believe you all know I love kernels and sharing stuff but the current trend of forking and not upvoting does not really help anyone.\n\nTwo examples :\n\n- [Miha Skalic](https://www.kaggle.com/mihaskalic/lstm-is-all-you-need-well-maybe-embeddings-also) : 53 upvotes and ... 161 forks !\n- [SRK](https://www.kaggle.com/sudalairajkumar/a-look-at-different-embeddings) : 35 upvotes and ... 86 forks !\n\nThese gifted kagglers, Masters and Grandmasters, share great materials for us to get better in Deep Learning I believe the least would be to upvote when you fork.\n\nI hear you guys say no one forced them to share anything, sharing is their free gift to the community. Well I'd answer if you use their skills to climb the LB the least you could do is upvote.\n\nHope this trend will reverse\n\nThanks for your help in keeping the community an enjoyable place.\n\nYours SINCERLY ;-)", "votes": 362 }, { "id": 420113, "postDate": "2018-11-13T04:46:48.557Z", "content": "It should be auto upvotes once it be forked.
", "rawMarkdown": "It should be auto upvotes once it be forked.", "votes": 43, "replies": [ { "id": 420991, "postDate": "2018-11-14T12:40:39.110Z", "content": "This seems a good option which should be implemented.
", "rawMarkdown": "This seems a good option which should be implemented.", "votes": 6 }, { "id": 424734, "postDate": "2018-11-20T15:45:56.193Z", "content": "At least a \"do you wish to give an upvote?\" question would be great once you clicked on \"fork\" for sure.
", "rawMarkdown": "At least a \"do you wish to give an upvote?\" question would be great once you clicked on \"fork\" for sure.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 443907, "postDate": "2018-12-22T17:36:51.117Z", "content": "Totally agree with you, as more kernels are brought up into the Kaggle community competition is going up in terms of posting attractive kernels for the audience. For the individual who took months in developing a kernel for the community it will be reasonable for him/her to get at least an upvote for forking.
", "rawMarkdown": "Totally agree with you, as more kernels are brought up into the Kaggle community competition is going up in terms of posting attractive kernels for the audience. For the individual who took months in developing a kernel for the community it will be reasonable for him/her to get at least an upvote for forking. ", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 662938, "postDate": "2019-11-01T08:40:49.357Z", "content": "My kernel has 734 forks and 184 upvotes...lol
", "rawMarkdown": "My kernel has 734 forks and 184 upvotes...lol" }, { "id": 799981, "postDate": "2020-04-07T00:18:45.917Z", "content": "Agree
", "rawMarkdown": "Agree" }, { "id": 1393923, "postDate": "2021-07-20T03:03:15.107Z", "content": "Can you explain what does that 743 forks mean??? @laowingkin
", "rawMarkdown": "Can you explain what does that 743 forks mean??? @laowingkin " } ] }, { "id": 431246, "postDate": "2018-12-01T23:45:50.167Z", "content": "Could Kaggle implement that if someone forks the notebook to give an automatic upvote to the kernel? I really don't get why someone will fork but won't give a simple upvote.
", "rawMarkdown": "Could Kaggle implement that if someone forks the notebook to give an automatic upvote to the kernel? I really don't get why someone will fork but won't give a simple upvote. ", "votes": 20, "replies": [ { "id": 431475, "postDate": "2018-12-02T11:04:34.327Z", "content": "Exactly. I too thought the same thing. For my recent kernel, I got more Forks than Upvotes.
", "rawMarkdown": "Exactly. I too thought the same thing. For my recent kernel, I got more Forks than Upvotes.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 443906, "postDate": "2018-12-22T17:34:18.697Z", "content": "Tell me about it, my most popular kernel has 256 votes but I have 534 forks. So approximately, 50% of people forked but did not liked my kernel. I don't like to give that much emphasis on upvotes because my aim is to share my work with the Kaggle community however, I will appreciate the upvote because this kernel took me approximately three months to complete since I was learning the concepts of dealing with imbalanced datasets at that time. If someone forks, a kernel should get an automatic upvote.
", "rawMarkdown": "Tell me about it, my most popular kernel has 256 votes but I have 534 forks. So approximately, 50% of people forked but did not liked my kernel. I don't like to give that much emphasis on upvotes because my aim is to share my work with the Kaggle community however, I will appreciate the upvote because this kernel took me approximately three months to complete since I was learning the concepts of dealing with imbalanced datasets at that time. If someone forks, a kernel should get an automatic upvote. ", "votes": 4 } ] }, { "id": 417766, "postDate": "2018-11-08T18:52:16.643Z", "content": "This needs to be said. I am not the most productive person in the world. Little rewards help me in continuing to work. These range from a bar of snickers after a hard day in college to some upvotes on kaggle for my work. There is one logic that I apply to most things in my life:
\n\nThere are two kinds of people in the world according to their attitude towards approaching any work in daily life:
\n\nWhat if I don't do this? This is just a small thing. Won't make me any less successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed.
Maybe it's a small thing. But how can I ever be more successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed in life if I can't even do this?
So here it fits like this:
\n\nAll work here is open-source. What is the point of upvoting? It's not like he/she's losing some money or I am gaining something.
I will use his/her work to know gain insight regarding data and learn something new. I can at least upvote. It will be my way of thanking him/her.
Well, I mostly choose the second approach. It has made me more productive, increased my stamina, improved my social life and what not. Now, it's your choice, people. Let me know what you think.
", "rawMarkdown": "This needs to be said. I am not the most productive person in the world. Little rewards help me in continuing to work. These range from a bar of snickers after a hard day in college to some upvotes on kaggle for my work. There is one logic that I apply to most things in my life:\n\nThere are two kinds of people in the world according to their attitude towards approaching any work in daily life:\n\n1. What if I don't do this? This is just a small thing. Won't make me any less successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed.\n\n2. Maybe it's a small thing. But how can I ever be more successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed in life if I can't even do this?\n\nSo here it fits like this:\n\n1. All work here is open-source. What is the point of upvoting? It's not like he/she's losing some money or I am gaining something.\n\n2. I will use his/her work to know gain insight regarding data and learn something new. I can at least upvote. It will be my way of thanking him/her.\n\nWell, I mostly choose the second approach. It has made me more productive, increased my stamina, improved my social life and what not. Now, it's your choice, people. Let me know what you think.", "votes": 15, "replies": [ { "id": 417774, "postDate": "2018-11-08T19:05:18.997Z", "content": "Totally agree with you Siddharth!
", "rawMarkdown": "Totally agree with you Siddharth!", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 444351, "postDate": "2018-12-23T20:52:51.120Z", "content": "Neat way of looking at it. I like the logic: incremental steps are key to any complex process (especially human motivation!). It comes down to decency, imo.
", "rawMarkdown": "Neat way of looking at it. I like the logic: incremental steps are key to any complex process (especially human motivation!). It comes down to decency, imo. ", "votes": 3 } ] }, { "id": 418528, "postDate": "2018-11-10T03:31:09.673Z", "content": "Well said.
\n\nNote that it could be worse if down votes were allowed for kernels...
\n\nIt is not a joke actually, as I see very useful posts being downvoted for not sensible reason. And the same logic you advocate for kernels applies to posts, I often see thank you responses without any corresponding upvote. Maybe newcomers don't get that upvotes are more valuable on Kaggle than a thank you. This said, a thank you is always nice to read!
\n\nEdit. it seems you got a downvote on this post, which makes my point ;)
", "rawMarkdown": "Well said.\n\nNote that it could be worse if down votes were allowed for kernels...\n\nIt is not a joke actually, as I see very useful posts being downvoted for not sensible reason. And the same logic you advocate for kernels applies to posts, I often see *thank you* responses without any corresponding upvote. Maybe newcomers don't get that upvotes are more valuable on Kaggle than a thank you. This said, a thank you is always nice to read!\n\nEdit. it seems you got a downvote on this post, which makes my point ;)", "votes": 12, "replies": [ { "id": 418576, "postDate": "2018-11-10T07:04:39.633Z", "content": "@cpmpml, yeah I'm happy kernels can't be downvoted. Not sur why I got a downvote as I never downvote any posts or topic... Anyway this is standard community life I suppose.
", "rawMarkdown": "@cpmpml, yeah I'm happy kernels can't be downvoted. Not sur why I got a downvote as I never downvote any posts or topic... Anyway this is standard community life I suppose. ", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 418838, "postDate": "2018-11-10T17:47:02.403Z", "content": "I guess most of the downvotes are because of double upvotes. What I mean is if someone upvotes a topic again even by mistake, the topic gets downvoted. I think Kaggle needs to change that.
", "rawMarkdown": "I guess most of the downvotes are because of double upvotes. What I mean is if someone upvotes a topic again even by mistake, the topic gets downvoted. I think Kaggle needs to change that.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 418849, "postDate": "2018-11-10T18:03:58.693Z", "content": "@satian This is possible but not believable. There can be heat on kaggle time to time. All my posts ever got 3 downvotes overnight when I spoke against cheating and listed the consequences(which those people weren't glad to hear). 3 downvotes on every post overnight doesn't happen by mistake.
", "rawMarkdown": "@satian This is possible but not believable. There can be heat on kaggle time to time. All my posts ever got 3 downvotes overnight when I spoke against cheating and listed the consequences(which those people weren't glad to hear). 3 downvotes on every post overnight doesn't happen by mistake.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 418857, "postDate": "2018-11-10T18:35:57.530Z", "content": "I didn't mean to say that it always happens by mistake. I just meant to say that it happens which is not good and Kaggle should fix that. But I get what you are saying and it is really unfortunate that people downvote good discussion topics but It is just one of the things about the internet, some people just can't hear something that is different from their viewpoint.
", "rawMarkdown": "I didn't mean to say that it always happens by mistake. I just meant to say that it happens which is not good and Kaggle should fix that. But I get what you are saying and it is really unfortunate that people downvote good discussion topics but It is just one of the things about the internet, some people just can't hear something that is different from their viewpoint.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 418872, "postDate": "2018-11-10T19:07:49.797Z", "content": "\n\n\nif someone upvotes a topic again even by mistake, the topic gets downvoted.
\n
Not true, it merely cancels the upvote. I just checked on Olivier's post.
\n\nBut you are right, one may be tempted to click on the down arrow to cancel an upvote. And this one creates a downvote rather than ca&cancelling the upvote. Maybe that's what you wanted to point out.
", "rawMarkdown": "> if someone upvotes a topic again even by mistake, the topic gets downvoted. \n\nNot true, it merely cancels the upvote. I just checked on Olivier's post.\n\nBut you are right, one may be tempted to click on the down arrow to cancel an upvote. And this one creates a downvote rather than ca&cancelling the upvote. Maybe that's what you wanted to point out." }, { "id": 418878, "postDate": "2018-11-10T19:24:34.493Z", "content": "I also meant that clicking on upvote again cancels the previous upvote, which can be as same as a downvote, correct me if I am missing something but If I upvote a kernel and let's say it got 100 upvotes and if I click upvote one more time, it cancels it and the upvotes are back to 99. But my point is that's actually by mistake and that is like an unintentional downvote. I think like quora upvotes and downvotes should be counted separately or atleast double upvote should not cancel the upvote.
", "rawMarkdown": "I also meant that clicking on upvote again cancels the previous upvote, which can be as same as a downvote, correct me if I am missing something but If I upvote a kernel and let's say it got 100 upvotes and if I click upvote one more time, it cancels it and the upvotes are back to 99. But my point is that's actually by mistake and that is like an unintentional downvote. I think like quora upvotes and downvotes should be counted separately or atleast double upvote should not cancel the upvote." }, { "id": 419024, "postDate": "2018-11-11T05:20:15.870Z", "content": "\n\n\nIf I upvote a kernel and let's say it got 100 upvotes and if I click upvote one more time, it cancels it and the upvotes are back to 99.
\n
Yes, that's canceling the upvote, but that's not a down vote. A downvote is when the number of votes is less than the number of upvoters.
\n\nLet me try to explain differently. At the time of writing this, Olivier's post has 105 vote and 106 upvoters. If I upvote again, then my previous upvote is cancelled, as you say, but the number of upvoters is also reduced by one. That makes 104 votes and 105 upvoters. Still one downvote left. Not two downvotes.
", "rawMarkdown": "> If I upvote a kernel and let's say it got 100 upvotes and if I click upvote one more time, it cancels it and the upvotes are back to 99.\n\nYes, that's canceling the upvote, but that's not a down vote. A downvote is when the number of votes is less than the number of upvoters. \n\nLet me try to explain differently. At the time of writing this, Olivier's post has 105 vote and 106 upvoters. If I upvote again, then my previous upvote is cancelled, as you say, but the number of upvoters is also reduced by one. That makes 104 votes and 105 upvoters. Still one downvote left. Not two downvotes.\n", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 419033, "postDate": "2018-11-11T05:42:41.523Z", "content": "Okay, that makes sense. I wasn't aware of the upvoters. +1 Enlightenment for me. Thanks.
", "rawMarkdown": "Okay, that makes sense. I wasn't aware of the upvoters. +1 Enlightenment for me. Thanks.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 419145, "postDate": "2018-11-11T11:48:07.283Z", "content": "Glad we agree!
\n\nThe issue you point to remains: it is too easy to cancel upvote by upvoting twice. And a related issue is this (it happened to me). If you want to cancel your up vote, for whatever reason, then it looks natural to ckick on the down arrow. Sure, this cancels your upvote but also creates a downvote.
\n\nThe logic should be, IMHO, depending on your current vote (none, up, down), and the arrow you click on (up, down):
\n\nvote x arrow -> new vote\n\nnone x up ->; up\nnone x down -> down\nup x up -> up\nup x down -> none\ndown x up -> none\ndown x down -> down\ninstead of the current behavior:
\n\nvote x arrow -> new vote\n\nnone x up -> up\nnone x down -> down\nup x up -> none\nup x down -> down\ndown x up -> up\ndown x down -> none\nI had a hard time understanding why I started downvoting while I was simply trying to remove my upvote. It's only after a while that I understood I had to click the upvote to remove my vote (my brain did not come with Adam implemented ...)
", "rawMarkdown": "I had a hard time understanding why I started downvoting while I was simply trying to remove my upvote. It's only after a while that I understood I had to click the upvote to remove my vote (my brain did not come with Adam implemented ...)", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 419158, "postDate": "2018-11-11T12:03:06.940Z", "content": "It happened to me as well, which is why I was picky in my first response above. I bet most people don't know about the current weird behavior .
", "rawMarkdown": "It happened to me as well, which is why I was picky in my first response above. I bet most people don't know about the current weird behavior .", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 419164, "postDate": "2018-11-11T12:12:18.193Z", "content": "There was no disagreement, my argument was biased because of incomplete information @cpmp . Kaggle should do something about this. The votes matters and if someone is sharing something for the benefit of the community than an upvote is the least anyone can do. Kaggle is an awesome platform only because of people like you, @olivier, @SRK, @hengck23 and all the others who keep sharing their ideas with the community. Best way we can show appreciation is through upvotes.
", "rawMarkdown": "There was no disagreement, my argument was biased because of incomplete information @cpmp . Kaggle should do something about this. The votes matters and if someone is sharing something for the benefit of the community than an upvote is the least anyone can do. Kaggle is an awesome platform only because of people like you, @olivier, @SRK, @hengck23 and all the others who keep sharing their ideas with the community. Best way we can show appreciation is through upvotes.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 419166, "postDate": "2018-11-11T12:13:33.610Z", "content": "I created a product wish, upvote it please if you support it: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/71210
", "rawMarkdown": "I created a product wish, upvote it please if you support it: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/71210", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 419612, "postDate": "2018-11-12T09:43:05.277Z", "content": "I had a hard time understanding why I started downvoting while I was simply trying to remove my upvote. It's only after a while that I understood I had to click the upvote to remove my vote (my brain did not come with Adam implemented …)
Pff...same thing here. It did not know about this! Also thought that after an upvote, I could not get back to \"neutral\"........
", "rawMarkdown": "`I had a hard time understanding why I started downvoting while I was simply trying to remove my upvote. It's only after a while that I understood I had to click the upvote to remove my vote (my brain did not come with Adam implemented …)`\n\nPff...same thing here. It did not know about this! Also thought that after an upvote, I could not get back to \"neutral\"........", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 670330, "postDate": "2019-11-11T10:46:20.710Z", "content": "I'm up for an automatic upvote when you fork a kernel, I mean if you are going to use the kernel that another user made it is only fair to give them an upvote.
\n\nIf you wish to downvote later by all means do it!
", "rawMarkdown": "I'm up for an automatic upvote when you fork a kernel, I mean if you are going to use the kernel that another user made it is only fair to give them an upvote.\n\nIf you wish to downvote later by all means do it!", "votes": 5 }, { "id": 417384, "postDate": "2018-11-08T07:14:11.427Z", "content": "Agree
\n\nSame for this beluga kernel, which has huge impact on Quickddraw competition
\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/gaborfodor/greyscale-mobilenet-lb-0-892
", "rawMarkdown": "Agree\n\nSame for this beluga kernel, which has huge impact on Quickddraw competition\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/gaborfodor/greyscale-mobilenet-lb-0-892", "votes": 10, "replies": [ { "id": 417756, "postDate": "2018-11-08T18:31:39.500Z", "content": "Dude this got like 6-7 times more forks than upvotes. Even if few people fork it 5 times, it is still a great difference.
", "rawMarkdown": "Dude this got like 6-7 times more forks than upvotes. Even if few people fork it 5 times, it is still a great difference.", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 418268, "postDate": "2018-11-09T15:13:52.303Z", "content": "In addition, I see many nice comments without upvote. Ok, sometimes maybe people forget that, but I suspect not always.....
", "rawMarkdown": "In addition, I see many nice comments without upvote. Ok, sometimes maybe people forget that, but I suspect not always.....", "votes": 7 }, { "id": 418064, "postDate": "2018-11-09T08:24:38.040Z", "content": "using, loving, and UPVOTING!
", "rawMarkdown": "using, loving, and UPVOTING!", "votes": 8 }, { "id": 417993, "postDate": "2018-11-09T04:52:27.837Z", "content": "There is a little catch here from my beginner perspective. All the kernels that I upvoted appear in the Favourites tab of the Kernels. \nI really don't want too many kernels to be there in my favourites. So I have actually taken off my upvotes for some of the kernels which I don't want to refer anymore. It's not bad intent, just that I don't want to clutter my favourites.
\n\nAs you can see multiplexing two features (Favourites and Upvotes) makes things complicated. As a feature request I would request Kaggle to provide a separate \"Add to favourites\" button. Then Upvoting just remains a way of thanking for useful content.
", "rawMarkdown": "There is a little catch here from my beginner perspective. All the kernels that I upvoted appear in the Favourites tab of the Kernels. \nI really don't want too many kernels to be there in my favourites. So I have actually taken off my upvotes for some of the kernels which I don't want to refer anymore. It's not bad intent, just that I don't want to clutter my favourites.\n\nAs you can see multiplexing two features (Favourites and Upvotes) makes things complicated. As a feature request I would request Kaggle to provide a separate \"Add to favourites\" button. Then Upvoting just remains a way of thanking for useful content.\n", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 494940, "postDate": "2019-03-20T13:07:09.733Z", "content": "Votes are probably the only thing that motivates kernel grandmasters, masters and experts to deliver more to the community. Being a kernel expert i know how much effort we put in making the logics and designing an end to end learning kernel. 1 or 2 down votes doesn’t discourage a life long learner, but making this a habit, can certainly discourage the people who have their full time jobs and still they actively contribute to the community.
", "rawMarkdown": "Votes are probably the only thing that motivates kernel grandmasters, masters and experts to deliver more to the community. Being a kernel expert i know how much effort we put in making the logics and designing an end to end learning kernel. 1 or 2 down votes doesn’t discourage a life long learner, but making this a habit, can certainly discourage the people who have their full time jobs and still they actively contribute to the community. ", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 494948, "postDate": "2019-03-20T13:23:51.817Z", "content": "Totally agree with you Ashish, I don't think downvotes would be a solution but I am more inclined for the automatic upvote when someone forks. Also, I do think if a downvote was implemented, there would be people that will downvote the project of others for no apparent reason. My logic behind the forking and voting would be if you didn't like the project we have just uploaded then why would you fork the project? That's just my opinion. Have a great day!
", "rawMarkdown": "Totally agree with you Ashish, I don't think downvotes would be a solution but I am more inclined for the automatic upvote when someone forks. Also, I do think if a downvote was implemented, there would be people that will downvote the project of others for no apparent reason. My logic behind the forking and voting would be if you didn't like the project we have just uploaded then why would you fork the project? That's just my opinion. Have a great day!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 494952, "postDate": "2019-03-20T13:34:35.490Z", "content": "Same here. I have around 500 upvotes with more than 1000 forks. But then it does motivates me because my goal is to help the community. Winning comes later.
", "rawMarkdown": "Same here. I have around 500 upvotes with more than 1000 forks. But then it does motivates me because my goal is to help the community. Winning comes later.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 494997, "postDate": "2019-03-20T14:17:35.353Z", "content": "Same with me here, we already won since we learn from both the community and from ourselves. That makes us already victorious.
", "rawMarkdown": "Same with me here, we already won since we learn from both the community and from ourselves. That makes us already victorious. ", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 446257, "postDate": "2018-12-27T19:07:46.690Z", "content": "I totally agree with the automatic upvoting after forking, but would like to add one thing. R-users work a lot with Rmarkdown locally. In that case, downloading the code instead of forking makes a lot of sense. I have done this several times, and also only one of my Rmd-kernels has more forks than upvotes. I just checked Heads or Tails' kernels as a reference ( @headsortails ) and noticed that he has 5100 votes and \"only\" 3600 forks.
\n\nAlthough I have just published my first Python kernel, I would like to keep it fair for the Rmd guys ;-). My suggestion is to also do automatic upvoting after hitting the \"Download code\" button.
", "rawMarkdown": "I totally agree with the automatic upvoting after forking, but would like to add one thing. R-users work a lot with Rmarkdown locally. In that case, downloading the code instead of forking makes a lot of sense. I have done this several times, and also only one of my Rmd-kernels has more forks than upvotes. I just checked Heads or Tails' kernels as a reference ( @headsortails ) and noticed that he has 5100 votes and \"only\" 3600 forks.\n\nAlthough I have just published my first Python kernel, I would like to keep it fair for the Rmd guys ;-). My suggestion is to also do automatic upvoting after hitting the \"Download code\" button.", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 446509, "postDate": "2018-12-28T07:56:53.257Z", "content": "Thanks Erik for bringing this up. I was not aware of this difference for R users !
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks Erik for bringing this up. I was not aware of this difference for R users !", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 446549, "postDate": "2018-12-28T09:14:41.837Z", "content": "Editing Rmarkdown directly in a Kaggle kernel just does not work that well. You would have edit it as a script, and cannot run/check/test anything by chunk.
\n\nThere might also be other reasons for R being forked less in general than Python. Since the majority of users on Kaggle use Python, I can also imagine that lots of people read and upvote interesting R kernels but don't fork as they don't know the language anyway.
", "rawMarkdown": "Editing Rmarkdown directly in a Kaggle kernel just does not work that well. You would have edit it as a script, and cannot run/check/test anything by chunk.\n\nThere might also be other reasons for R being forked less in general than Python. Since the majority of users on Kaggle use Python, I can also imagine that lots of people read and upvote interesting R kernels but don't fork as they don't know the language anyway.", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 419215, "postDate": "2018-11-11T14:36:43.207Z", "content": "New here. Went back and upvoted the kernels I forked. Thanks for this post.
", "rawMarkdown": "New here. Went back and upvoted the kernels I forked. Thanks for this post.", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 423249, "postDate": "2018-11-17T19:27:17.123Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 2, "isDeleted": true } ] }, { "id": 417464, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:18:37.110Z", "content": "It's an honor to be called talented by Olivier.
", "rawMarkdown": "It's an honor to be called talented by Olivier.", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 417472, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:42:26.003Z", "content": "@mihaskalic you're absolutely amazing with NN ;-)
", "rawMarkdown": "@mihaskalic you're absolutely amazing with NN ;-)", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 425184, "postDate": "2018-11-21T08:55:02.613Z", "content": "Hi,
\n\nI really love Kaggle and I believe every single member has something to offer and contribute...especially GrandMasters like Olivier and others.
\n\nAny insincere or dishonest behavior damages the Kaggle environment and pushing the contributing mentor a \"lil\" bit away.
\n\nI truly, humbly want to thank Olivier (and other kernel sharing folks) for his several Kernels, I learned a lot!
\n\nmerci beaucoup @Olivier!
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi,\n\nI really love Kaggle and I believe every single member has something to offer and contribute...especially GrandMasters like Olivier and others. \n\nAny insincere or dishonest behavior damages the Kaggle environment and pushing the contributing mentor a \"lil\" bit away. \n\nI truly, humbly want to thank Olivier (and other kernel sharing folks) for his several Kernels, I learned a lot!\n\nmerci beaucoup @Olivier! ", "votes": 6 }, { "id": 418416, "postDate": "2018-11-09T21:55:46.233Z", "content": "@Olivier, I agree 100%. I also noticed lately, even when people ask questions and someone answers, the person asking do not upvote which is strange. Upvoting is how sometimes we acknowledge if you do not feel like writing. I believe even if one writes to thank the person answering the question I would always upvote the answer as well. But forking a kernel and not upvoting it is really in bad taste.
", "rawMarkdown": "@Olivier, I agree 100%. I also noticed lately, even when people ask questions and someone answers, the person asking do not upvote which is strange. Upvoting is how sometimes we acknowledge if you do not feel like writing. I believe even if one writes to thank the person answering the question I would always upvote the answer as well. But forking a kernel and not upvoting it is really in bad taste.", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 418578, "postDate": "2018-11-10T07:05:56.453Z", "content": "I experienced that as well @sheriytm ;-)
", "rawMarkdown": "I experienced that as well @sheriytm ;-)", "votes": 3 } ] }, { "id": 417469, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:29:42.747Z", "content": "You know... some of us, like me, just routinely forget to upvote. It's not ignorance, and it is certainly not malice. I am not much of an upvoter because I rarely use social networks (other than linkedin) and because, somewhere in my unconsciousness, I oppose against the constant tracking of my preferences.
\n\nWhenever I think of it, I do upvote. But very often I just forget. It's the same on stackoverflow. I must have profited thousands of times from posts there, and maybe cast 50 or 100 upvotes.
", "rawMarkdown": "You know... some of us, like me, just routinely forget to upvote. It's not ignorance, and it is certainly not malice. I am not much of an upvoter because I rarely use social networks (other than linkedin) and because, somewhere in my unconsciousness, I oppose against the constant tracking of my preferences.\n\nWhenever I think of it, I do upvote. But very often I just forget. It's the same on stackoverflow. I must have profited thousands of times from posts there, and maybe cast 50 or 100 upvotes.", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 417479, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:50:41.413Z", "content": "Hey Toby, no worries. I'm just trying to remind us all what IMHO makes a community. Forgetting to upvote can happen to anyone and you can certainly count me in. Plus the fact that sometimes you upvote and for some reason the second after it's not there anymore (this happened quite often).
\n\nThe kernels I linked are really really off in terms of Fork to Upvote ratio. People may say they fork the same kernels over and over again but the vast majority of people just fork once.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hey Toby, no worries. I'm just trying to remind us all what IMHO makes a community. Forgetting to upvote can happen to anyone and you can certainly count me in. Plus the fact that sometimes you upvote and for some reason the second after it's not there anymore (this happened quite often).\n\nThe kernels I linked are really really off in terms of Fork to Upvote ratio. People may say they fork the same kernels over and over again but the vast majority of people just fork once.", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 469806, "postDate": "2019-02-11T20:52:14.773Z", "content": "Great point for the community spirit Olivier ! Thank you
", "rawMarkdown": "Great point for the community spirit Olivier ! Thank you", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 426281, "postDate": "2018-11-23T02:16:28.780Z", "content": "Completely agree. I got 37 votes for more than 150 forks in a recent notebook for another competition (two sigma)..
", "rawMarkdown": "Completely agree. I got 37 votes for more than 150 forks in a recent [notebook](https://www.kaggle.com/jsaguiar/baseline-with-news-gbm/notebook) for another competition (two sigma)..", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 426380, "postDate": "2018-11-23T06:51:39.347Z", "content": "completely unfair!
", "rawMarkdown": "completely unfair!", "votes": 4 } ] }, { "id": 419645, "postDate": "2018-11-12T10:56:49.777Z", "content": "Voting accompanied with an optional answer to reason for voting will make the voting sensible... Blind/Just up/down voting doesnt help the kernel author to understand the strengths/weeknesses of his/her kernel :)
", "rawMarkdown": "Voting accompanied with an optional answer to reason for voting will make the voting sensible... Blind/Just up/down voting doesnt help the kernel author to understand the strengths/weeknesses of his/her kernel :)", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 419687, "postDate": "2018-11-12T11:55:37.200Z", "content": "One can always comment to convey what they think about a kernel. And yes, it is optional to comment. Unfortunately, this community like many others equates advice to criticism so fewer people comment out their suggestions.
", "rawMarkdown": "One can always comment to convey what they think about a kernel. And yes, it is optional to comment. Unfortunately, this community like many others equates advice to criticism so fewer people comment out their suggestions.", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 417773, "postDate": "2018-11-08T19:04:11.007Z", "content": "Totally get you Olivier, the amount of time Kagglers dedicate to high quality kernels is a lot and forking and not upvoting is not fair for those people who dedicated a high amount of time on those projects. Come on its just one click!
", "rawMarkdown": "Totally get you Olivier, the amount of time Kagglers dedicate to high quality kernels is a lot and forking and not upvoting is not fair for those people who dedicated a high amount of time on those projects. Come on its just one click! ", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 417644, "postDate": "2018-11-08T15:17:09.823Z", "content": "You are 100% correct of course. I am very grateful for all the hard work and opportunities these kernels give for me to learn. Much better than just reading and doing some random practice on my own. And there is a lot of work in all of that.
\n\nI guess it is easier and more exciting to fork and see if you can benefit yourself, rather than to upvote to show appreciation, which is not visible for self in any way. Maybe forks could count for something as well. Probably many are more concerned about getting more votes for themselves, and maybe even gaming it :).
", "rawMarkdown": "You are 100% correct of course. I am very grateful for all the hard work and opportunities these kernels give for me to learn. Much better than just reading and doing some random practice on my own. And there is a lot of work in all of that.\n\nI guess it is easier and more exciting to fork and see if you can benefit yourself, rather than to upvote to show appreciation, which is not visible for self in any way. Maybe forks could count for something as well. Probably many are more concerned about getting more votes for themselves, and maybe even gaming it :).", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 417568, "postDate": "2018-11-08T13:19:06.887Z", "content": "After all, this is a community of learners! Quite important to show appreciation, I agree. And! It costs nothing to do so! Just one extra click.
", "rawMarkdown": "After all, this is a community of learners! Quite important to show appreciation, I agree. And! It costs nothing to do so! Just **one** extra click.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 417485, "postDate": "2018-11-08T11:00:03.123Z", "content": "Hm, after this I'm glad that my kernel has more votes than forks :)\nThough in general my kernels also have more forks that upvotes
", "rawMarkdown": "Hm, after this I'm glad that my kernel has more votes than forks :)\nThough in general my kernels also have more forks that upvotes", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 417493, "postDate": "2018-11-08T11:16:21.253Z", "content": "Having less upvotes than forks is a standard thing since some may fork more than once. But sometimes I find upvotes crazy low. In the above kernels I could not believe my eyes.
", "rawMarkdown": "Having less upvotes than forks is a standard thing since some may fork more than once. But sometimes I find upvotes crazy low. In the above kernels I could not believe my eyes.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 417496, "postDate": "2018-11-08T11:20:32.937Z", "content": "Well, one of my kernels has 242 upvotes and 758 forks; another one - 102 upvotes and 384 forks. A bit crazy, I agree :)
", "rawMarkdown": "Well, one of my kernels has 242 upvotes and 758 forks; another one - 102 upvotes and 384 forks. A bit crazy, I agree :)", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 417463, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:18:04.210Z", "content": "I'd pretend to be the Devil's advocate: sometimes one might fork a Kernel and find it not really useful. So why upvote in such case? :)
", "rawMarkdown": "I'd pretend to be the Devil's advocate: sometimes one might fork a Kernel and find it not really useful. So why upvote in such case? :)", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 417474, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:44:17.443Z", "content": "I don't think anyone can find these kernels useless ;-) but that may be my lack of AI knowledge ...
", "rawMarkdown": "I don't think anyone can find these kernels useless ;-) but that may be my lack of AI knowledge ...", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 417406, "postDate": "2018-11-08T08:00:26.117Z", "content": "people sharing their knowledge for free. and upvoting also free. %100 agreee with you.
", "rawMarkdown": "people sharing their knowledge for free. and upvoting also free. %100 agreee with you.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 417388, "postDate": "2018-11-08T07:19:01.553Z", "content": "I 100% agree. I've learned a lot from the kernels/discussions. On most of the other websites, I'd have to pay for the same information. The very least I can do is give the authors an upvote.
", "rawMarkdown": "I 100% agree. I've learned a lot from the kernels/discussions. On most of the other websites, I'd have to pay for the same information. The very least I can do is give the authors an upvote. ", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 426665, "postDate": "2018-11-23T16:06:05.283Z", "content": "I guess that many people are not aware that kernel's writers care about votes. Perhaps, a reminder to people who fork kernels could ba a good idea. I created a post in the product feedback forum to suggest to add such a feature : https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/72474
", "rawMarkdown": "I guess that many people are not aware that kernel's writers care about votes. Perhaps, a reminder to people who fork kernels could ba a good idea. I created a post in the product feedback forum to suggest to add such a feature : https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/72474", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 423501, "postDate": "2018-11-18T12:11:23.893Z", "content": "Everyone should support , motivate each other.
", "rawMarkdown": "Everyone should support , motivate each other.", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 425357, "postDate": "2018-11-21T13:36:23.303Z", "content": "true!
", "rawMarkdown": "true!", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 425127, "postDate": "2018-11-21T07:24:48.150Z", "content": "Id agree with auto upvotes if forked - until then upvote at the same time as forking.
", "rawMarkdown": "Id agree with auto upvotes if forked - until then upvote at the same time as forking.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 425029, "postDate": "2018-11-21T02:55:40.103Z", "content": "Yes, this is a great suggestion that upvote is a great support for anyone write kernels to share with others.\nUpvote, Upvote, Upvote. Easy but meaningful!
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, this is a great suggestion that upvote is a great support for anyone write kernels to share with others.\nUpvote, Upvote, Upvote. Easy but meaningful!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 423432, "postDate": "2018-11-18T08:17:39.277Z", "content": "I agree. Some people said that they only upvote the kernels that are \"useful\", but by the time you decide to fork one kernel haven't you decided whether it is useful?
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree. Some people said that they only upvote the kernels that are \"useful\", but by the time you decide to fork one kernel haven't you decided whether it is useful?", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 423419, "postDate": "2018-11-18T07:55:05.810Z", "content": "Completely agree with you Olivier!!! I think people are only interested in achieving the best personal result rather than sharing work and recognize meritocracy ((( On the other hand, it reflects what also happens in everyday life !!!
", "rawMarkdown": "Completely agree with you Olivier!!! I think people are only interested in achieving the best personal result rather than sharing work and recognize meritocracy ((( On the other hand, it reflects what also happens in everyday life !!!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 422682, "postDate": "2018-11-16T16:14:37.033Z", "content": "I agree. It's the least you could for utilising their material.
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree. It's the least you could for utilising their material.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 420970, "postDate": "2018-11-14T12:13:49.980Z", "content": "I first Upvote , Then Fork
", "rawMarkdown": "I first Upvote , Then Fork", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 419846, "postDate": "2018-11-12T16:17:48.373Z", "content": "Good point
", "rawMarkdown": "Good point", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 420461, "postDate": "2018-11-13T16:54:06.273Z", "content": "I agree
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree" } ] }, { "id": 419161, "postDate": "2018-11-11T12:07:00.253Z", "content": "Yes. You are right.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes. You are right.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418846, "postDate": "2018-11-10T17:56:44.177Z", "content": "I agree. I'm new to kaggle so I haven't really done too much but its nice to show your appreciation to those who do share their work.
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree. I'm new to kaggle so I haven't really done too much but its nice to show your appreciation to those who do share their work.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418707, "postDate": "2018-11-10T13:18:59.713Z", "content": "completely agreed, I will try to do it for all the kernels I fork.
", "rawMarkdown": "completely agreed, I will try to do it for all the kernels I fork.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418532, "postDate": "2018-11-10T03:56:57.987Z", "content": "Well said , gratitude is part of learning :-)
", "rawMarkdown": "Well said , gratitude is part of learning :-)", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418258, "postDate": "2018-11-09T14:55:04.420Z", "content": "Completely agreed!
", "rawMarkdown": "Completely agreed! ", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418099, "postDate": "2018-11-09T09:34:06.157Z", "content": "Please correct me if I did not get you right. My take on this is the people who already have brand are getting more upvotes than the people who are in starting stage in kaggle.
", "rawMarkdown": "Please correct me if I did not get you right. My take on this is the people who already have brand are getting more upvotes than the people who are in starting stage in kaggle.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 417892, "postDate": "2018-11-09T00:18:11.773Z", "content": "I've found that Kaggle isn't very good at remembering upvotes across multiple pages. Sometimes I'll upvote a kernel and then forget about it but I'll click upvote a second time on a different page which undoes upvotes!
", "rawMarkdown": "I've found that Kaggle isn't very good at remembering upvotes across multiple pages. Sometimes I'll upvote a kernel and then forget about it but I'll click upvote a second time on a different page which undoes upvotes!", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 417996, "postDate": "2018-11-09T04:58:40.413Z", "content": "That's true, I have observed this before, It's a bug. The web client is probably sending {toggleUpvote, kernel:xxxx} which would take out the earlier upvote. It should instead send the request as {upovote: yes/no, kernel:xxxx}.
", "rawMarkdown": "That's true, I have observed this before, It's a bug. The web client is probably sending {toggleUpvote, kernel:xxxx} which would take out the earlier upvote. It should instead send the request as {upovote: yes/no, kernel:xxxx}.", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 471434, "postDate": "2019-02-14T12:58:40.390Z", "content": "Some people! ;)
", "rawMarkdown": "Some people! ;)", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 471152, "postDate": "2019-02-14T04:45:33.683Z", "content": "People who downvoted should be traced down by Kaggle itself!(just to check whether the same folks always downvote)
\n\nAnd folks, They do loose a lot of things and you gain very few...
\n\nLike Rank of the kaggle progressive system Globally...\nFun three digits Rank/ Fake Bronze/Silver medals people brag about!
", "rawMarkdown": "People who downvoted should be traced down by Kaggle itself!(just to check whether the same folks always downvote)\n\nAnd folks, They do loose a lot of things and you gain very few...\n\nLike Rank of the kaggle progressive system Globally...\nFun three digits Rank/ Fake Bronze/Silver medals people brag about!", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 426000, "postDate": "2018-11-22T12:20:27.557Z", "content": "I agree and not only upvote but if its used in submissions, the least that can be done is to credit the kernels forked. Kaggle team may be can enhance the forking to auto upvote.
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree and not only upvote but if its used in submissions, the least that can be done is to credit the kernels forked. Kaggle team may be can enhance the forking to auto upvote.", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 426028, "postDate": "2018-11-22T13:17:07.010Z", "content": "true!
", "rawMarkdown": "true!", "votes": 4 } ] }, { "id": 425257, "postDate": "2018-11-21T10:54:49.600Z", "content": "I am having a brainwave: What is the forkers are also made visible? Now, you can only see the forkers who also made the fork public (I have had some novices forking my getting started kernels with accompanying self-votes. Fortunately, people usually notice that and ignore them ;-)). If the \"private\" forks would also be visible, these non-voters would be exposed. If people are aware of that, I think they might also upvote more often.
", "rawMarkdown": "I am having a brainwave: What is the forkers are also made visible? Now, you can only see the forkers who also made the fork public (I have had some novices forking my getting started kernels with accompanying self-votes. Fortunately, people usually notice that and ignore them ;-)). If the \"private\" forks would also be visible, these non-voters would be exposed. If people are aware of that, I think they might also upvote more often.", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 425341, "postDate": "2018-11-21T13:19:51.883Z", "content": "a simple yet effective way!
", "rawMarkdown": "a simple yet effective way!", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 425349, "postDate": "2018-11-21T13:29:08.880Z", "content": "It's a good idea, but I worry that people would just start copying and pasting into new kernels instead of forking. Maybe there can be a competition to identify these types of pseudo-forks?
", "rawMarkdown": "It's a good idea, but I worry that people would just start copying and pasting into new kernels instead of forking. Maybe there can be a competition to identify these types of pseudo-forks?", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 425356, "postDate": "2018-11-21T13:36:02.663Z", "content": "that may work...or maybe a simple rule that if you fork, it automatically upvotes...I don't know
", "rawMarkdown": "that may work...or maybe a simple rule that if you fork, it automatically upvotes...I don't know", "votes": 5 } ] }, { "id": 418987, "postDate": "2018-11-11T03:08:03.437Z", "content": "Is it possible that some of the upvote discrepancy is due to the same people forking the kernel more than once and being unable to upvote again?
", "rawMarkdown": "Is it possible that some of the upvote discrepancy is due to the same people forking the kernel more than once and being unable to upvote again?", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 418077, "postDate": "2018-11-09T08:56:46.033Z", "content": "You're totally right and I personally upvote all the kernels I fork.
\n\nJust one note to consider: I believe that Kaggle counts every fork, even multiple forks by one user, while one user can upvote only once.
\n\nI sometimes fork one public kernel multiple times throughout the time (to test different ideas). I didn't find a way to get back to previous version in one kernel (like fork of public kernel -> version 1 -> version 2 -> version 3 -> dead end, i want to go back ... I would have to rewrite all the changes manually -> new fork is easier). Maybe I'm too stupid, I just didn't figure it out how to make it better.
", "rawMarkdown": "You're totally right and I personally upvote all the kernels I fork.\n\nJust one note to consider: I believe that Kaggle counts every fork, even multiple forks by one user, while one user can upvote only once.\n\nI sometimes fork one public kernel multiple times throughout the time (to test different ideas). I didn't find a way to get back to previous version in one kernel (like fork of public kernel -> version 1 -> version 2 -> version 3 -> dead end, i want to go back ... I would have to rewrite all the changes manually -> new fork is easier). Maybe I'm too stupid, I just didn't figure it out how to make it better.", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 418092, "postDate": "2018-11-09T09:21:27.397Z", "content": "@rejpalcz, when you go to versions in a kernel, the very first version is the original forked script.
\n\nMaybe my assumption that the vast majority of people fork once is wrong then :)
", "rawMarkdown": "@rejpalcz, when you go to versions in a kernel, the very first version is the original forked script. \n\nMaybe my assumption that the vast majority of people fork once is wrong then :) ", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418111, "postDate": "2018-11-09T09:45:37.547Z", "content": "Yes, I know - but when I click \"Edit\", I always end up editing the newest version of the kernel (no matter from which version I clicked on it). So I cannot get easily back to previous version (or original kernel) without forking it again. But chances are, I'm the only one who's confused by this :)
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, I know - but when I click \"Edit\", I always end up editing the newest version of the kernel (no matter from which version I clicked on it). So I cannot get easily back to previous version (or original kernel) without forking it again. But chances are, I'm the only one who's confused by this :)", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418271, "postDate": "2018-11-09T15:16:18.533Z", "content": "Oh yeah, I forgot about this bug ;-)
", "rawMarkdown": "Oh yeah, I forgot about this bug ;-)", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418593, "postDate": "2018-11-10T08:09:16.600Z", "content": "That bug is really annoying!
\n\nI usually just fork once and do the subsequent forks from my own modified version of the kernel not the original. That way I can keep track of my changes.
", "rawMarkdown": "That bug is really annoying! \n\nI usually just fork once and do the subsequent forks from my own modified version of the kernel not the original. That way I can keep track of my changes.", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 418019, "postDate": "2018-11-09T05:45:47.947Z", "content": "Totally agree with you. My own kernel in google analytics competition has 96 forks but just 29 upvotes. It doesn't make sense that on one hand people use kernels to climb up on LB but won't do something as a simple upvote in return.
", "rawMarkdown": "Totally agree with you. My own kernel in google analytics competition has 96 forks but just 29 upvotes. It doesn't make sense that on one hand people use kernels to climb up on LB but won't do something as a simple upvote in return. ", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 418012, "postDate": "2018-11-09T05:23:39.517Z", "content": "Wow. Surely a fork to use a kernel should result in an automatic upvote of X votes. Not sure what X should be but definitely >= 1.
", "rawMarkdown": "Wow. Surely a fork to use a kernel should result in an automatic upvote of X votes. Not sure what X should be but definitely >= 1. ", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 417484, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:57:28.243Z", "content": "this needs to be automated.... simple
", "rawMarkdown": "this needs to be automated.... simple", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 417492, "postDate": "2018-11-08T11:14:50.700Z", "content": "Well I would disagree with the automation process. Forking is granted by the Apache 2.0 licence and anyone is free to upvote or not. The discrepency between forks and upvotes tells a lot about us as a community.
\n\nI guess I'm wondering if this is the sort of community we want to build.
", "rawMarkdown": "Well I would disagree with the automation process. Forking is granted by the Apache 2.0 licence and anyone is free to upvote or not. The discrepency between forks and upvotes tells a lot about us as a community.\n\nI guess I'm wondering if this is the sort of community we want to build.", "votes": 5 } ] }, { "id": 419003, "postDate": "2018-11-11T04:20:07.963Z", "content": "You're right! People should be more supportive of kernels that are useful to them by upvoting.
", "rawMarkdown": "You're right! People should be more supportive of kernels that are useful to them by upvoting." }, { "id": 423200, "postDate": "2018-11-17T17:43:46.917Z", "content": "yeah, that's true. feature update can be the solution.
", "rawMarkdown": "yeah, that's true. feature update can be the solution.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 419581, "postDate": "2018-11-12T08:48:56.230Z", "content": "There must be LOCK option to FORKING without UPVOTING someone's contribution. I have addressed this issue few months back here - https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/61171
", "rawMarkdown": "There must be LOCK option to FORKING without UPVOTING someone's contribution. I have addressed this issue few months back here - https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/61171", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 419595, "postDate": "2018-11-12T09:10:03.240Z", "content": "Great idea!
", "rawMarkdown": "Great idea!" }, { "id": 419606, "postDate": "2018-11-12T09:36:29.203Z", "content": "You may want to fork a kernel to try it, then decide it is not useful to you after some test. Why would you upvote it then?
", "rawMarkdown": "You may want to fork a kernel to try it, then decide it is not useful to you after some test. Why would you upvote it then?", "votes": 7 }, { "id": 419618, "postDate": "2018-11-12T09:52:10.267Z", "content": "@CPMP.. I agree with you to some extent,but 'useful' is a relative term. One can decide whether a kernel is going to be useful or not for him/her by going through the different steps , codes and it's corresponding results, even the logs are there. Then he/she can decide to fork if required. Your statement is valid if anyone is doing a BLIND FORK from the kernel. Then he may not find it useful after forking.
", "rawMarkdown": " @CPMP.. I agree with you to some extent,but 'useful' is a relative term. One can decide whether a kernel is going to be useful or not for him/her by going through the different steps , codes and it's corresponding results, even the logs are there. Then he/she can decide to fork if required. Your statement is valid if anyone is doing a BLIND FORK from the kernel. Then he may not find it useful after forking.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 419640, "postDate": "2018-11-12T10:52:31.037Z", "content": "@arindamgot sorry but blocking a fork goes against the Apache 2.0 license. This license you have to agree before you publish a kernel.
", "rawMarkdown": "@arindamgot sorry but blocking a fork goes against the Apache 2.0 license. This license you have to agree before you publish a kernel.", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 419649, "postDate": "2018-11-12T11:02:33.757Z", "content": "Running a forked kernel should upvote the original kernel or the weight of forking should be a bit more in rankings. Right now the ratio of forks to upvote is like 7:1 for some kernels, which is really sad. People who share high scoring kernels have put a lot of work and then someone just comes around fork it, jumps the lb, gets a medal. Kaggle really needs to do something about this. Everyone should upvote @CPMP topic on this in product feedback section.
", "rawMarkdown": "Running a forked kernel should upvote the original kernel or the weight of forking should be a bit more in rankings. Right now the ratio of forks to upvote is like 7:1 for some kernels, which is really sad. People who share high scoring kernels have put a lot of work and then someone just comes around fork it, jumps the lb, gets a medal. Kaggle really needs to do something about this. Everyone should upvote @CPMP topic on this in product feedback section." }, { "id": 420547, "postDate": "2018-11-13T19:48:30.807Z", "content": "Well, one could argue that a kernel was already useful if it provided you with some new ideas to try and experiment on. But upvoting is a subjective preference, of course..
", "rawMarkdown": "Well, one could argue that a kernel was already useful if it provided you with some new ideas to try and experiment on. But upvoting is a subjective preference, of course..", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 421352, "postDate": "2018-11-14T23:54:39.820Z", "content": "hi
", "rawMarkdown": "hi" } ] }, { "id": 417425, "postDate": "2018-11-08T08:41:37.047Z", "content": "Is it a real problem to get angry, honestly?
", "rawMarkdown": "Is it a real problem to get angry, honestly?", "votes": -8, "replies": [ { "id": 417442, "postDate": "2018-11-08T09:16:40.103Z", "content": "I like Kaggle very much. I've learnt more here than anywhere else. Sharing, commenting and upvoting are part of what makes a community.
", "rawMarkdown": "I like Kaggle very much. I've learnt more here than anywhere else. Sharing, commenting and upvoting are part of what makes a community. ", "votes": 13 }, { "id": 848941, "postDate": "2020-05-15T11:16:51.290Z", "content": "Totally agreed! @ogrellier 👍
", "rawMarkdown": "Totally agreed! @ogrellier 👍 ", "votes": -1 } ] }, { "id": 419062, "postDate": "2018-11-11T06:48:08.947Z", "content": "[URL=\"https://ufa007.co/casino\"]สล็อต[/URL] :dy\n[URL=\"https://ufa007.co/casino\"]สล็อตออนไลน์[/URL] :dy
", "rawMarkdown": "[URL=\"https://ufa007.co/casino\"]สล็อต[/URL] :dy\n[URL=\"https://ufa007.co/casino\"]สล็อตออนไลน์[/URL] :dy", "votes": -5 }, { "id": 418568, "postDate": "2018-11-10T06:31:50.663Z", "content": "Great Work.
", "rawMarkdown": "Great Work.", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 418311, "postDate": "2018-11-09T16:20:12.300Z", "content": "Incredible!
", "rawMarkdown": "Incredible!", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 604758, "postDate": "2019-08-21T18:45:05.090Z", "content": "Totally Agree!
", "rawMarkdown": "Totally Agree!" }, { "id": 553672, "postDate": "2019-06-16T05:53:10.373Z", "content": "Finally, someone who said it! It's really annoying to miss out on a medal even when you know that 50-75 people out there advanced on the leaderboard using your code!
", "rawMarkdown": "Finally, someone who said it! It's really annoying to miss out on a medal even when you know that 50-75 people out there advanced on the leaderboard using your code!" }, { "id": 536741, "postDate": "2019-05-25T06:22:40.883Z", "content": "I really agree with you. Up-vote is an appreciation of one's work, it definitely encourages the contributors to learn and share the new skills with every one. Thanks for pressing this point.
", "rawMarkdown": "I really agree with you. Up-vote is an appreciation of one's work, it definitely encourages the contributors to learn and share the new skills with every one. Thanks for pressing this point. " }, { "id": 499551, "postDate": "2019-03-24T23:53:08.973Z", "content": "Totaly agree.
", "rawMarkdown": "Totaly agree." }, { "id": 474256, "postDate": "2019-02-19T06:14:07.697Z", "content": "well said...
", "rawMarkdown": "well said..." }, { "id": 424119, "postDate": "2018-11-19T15:45:44.973Z", "content": "ddddd
", "rawMarkdown": "ddddd" }, { "id": 423734, "postDate": "2018-11-19T00:32:04.977Z", "content": "Agree!
", "rawMarkdown": "Agree!\n" }, { "id": 423141, "postDate": "2018-11-17T15:47:06.203Z", "content": "Good call
", "rawMarkdown": "Good call" }, { "id": 421912, "postDate": "2018-11-15T14:59:11.100Z", "content": "yes.
", "rawMarkdown": "yes." }, { "id": 421447, "postDate": "2018-11-15T02:32:59.523Z", "content": "Could Kaggle get rid of such bots?
", "rawMarkdown": "Could Kaggle get rid of such bots?" }, { "id": 421444, "postDate": "2018-11-15T02:32:12.987Z", "content": "I agree. Even though I'm not a master or GrandMaster(yet) it pains to see that your kernel(s) get a few forks with no upvote. Of course the goal is not upvotes but they do go a long way in motivating us,especially those of us still low in the rankings.
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree. Even though I'm not a master or GrandMaster(yet) it pains to see that your kernel(s) get a few forks with no upvote. Of course the goal is not upvotes but they do go a long way in motivating us,especially those of us still low in the rankings." }, { "id": 420553, "postDate": "2018-11-13T20:02:30.100Z", "content": "I was not aware that a fork was not a upvote instantly. Will upvote when I fork from now on.
\n\nKeep up the good work :-)
", "rawMarkdown": "I was not aware that a fork was not a upvote instantly. Will upvote when I fork from now on. \n\nKeep up the good work :-)" }, { "id": 419988, "postDate": "2018-11-12T22:04:54.187Z", "content": "very nice job~
", "rawMarkdown": "very nice job~" }, { "id": 419525, "postDate": "2018-11-12T05:45:35.257Z", "content": "can not agree more
", "rawMarkdown": "can not agree more" }, { "id": 419522, "postDate": "2018-11-12T05:28:44.887Z", "content": "write a comment to to \"professional\"
", "rawMarkdown": "write a comment to to \"professional\"" }, { "id": 419504, "postDate": "2018-11-12T04:38:39.103Z", "content": "Credit where it's due!
", "rawMarkdown": "Credit where it's due! " }, { "id": 419097, "postDate": "2018-11-11T09:10:56.863Z", "content": "completely agreed!
", "rawMarkdown": "completely agreed!" }, { "id": 418753, "postDate": "2018-11-10T15:00:50.103Z", "content": "Agreed, will do this every time.
", "rawMarkdown": "Agreed, will do this every time." }, { "id": 417657, "postDate": "2018-11-08T15:34:44.757Z", "content": "You're totally right master
", "rawMarkdown": "You're totally right master" }, { "id": 417526, "postDate": "2018-11-08T12:18:49.773Z", "content": "+1
", "rawMarkdown": "+1" }, { "id": 417448, "postDate": "2018-11-08T09:45:41.123Z", "content": "Dear Sir,
\n\nI am still new, so I don't have enough knowledge about the benefits of Forks, and what is upvote?
", "rawMarkdown": "Dear Sir,\n\nI am still new, so I don't have enough knowledge about the benefits of Forks, and what is upvote?", "replies": [ { "id": 417460, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:16:20.057Z", "content": "Upvote is this little arrow up in the right-top corner. It's the way you express gratitude to the creator of the Kernel or a topic. It's not just a \"like\" on Fb or Instagram
", "rawMarkdown": "Upvote is this little arrow up in the right-top corner. It's the way you express gratitude to the creator of the Kernel or a topic. It's not just a \"like\" on Fb or Instagram", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 417481, "postDate": "2018-11-08T10:51:19.943Z", "content": "Thank you
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you" } ] }, { "id": 670329, "postDate": "2019-11-11T10:45:39.707Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 438138, "postDate": "2018-12-13T06:54:08.587Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 423688, "postDate": "2018-11-18T22:03:13.997Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 423576, "postDate": "2018-11-18T15:33:14.310Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 422959, "postDate": "2018-11-17T06:17:07.967Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 422629, "postDate": "2018-11-16T14:31:22.410Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 420821, "postDate": "2018-11-14T07:02:39.213Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 3, "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 420064, "postDate": "2018-11-13T02:16:44.900Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 418755, "postDate": "2018-11-10T15:01:40.690Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 417841, "postDate": "2018-11-08T21:15:41.407Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 2, "isDeleted": true, "replies": [ { "id": 417937, "postDate": "2018-11-09T02:21:08.327Z", "content": "Ranking is based on votes, not medals.
", "rawMarkdown": "Ranking is based on votes, not medals.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 418018, "postDate": "2018-11-09T05:44:25.477Z", "content": "@thomasnelson, as Siddharth Yadav said, ranking is the number of upvotes weighted with a decay in time.
", "rawMarkdown": "@thomasnelson, as Siddharth Yadav said, ranking is the number of upvotes weighted with a decay in time.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 419022, "postDate": "2018-11-11T05:18:04.893Z", "content": "Perhaps forks should be incorporated in some way in ranking if automated upvote on a fork is not wanted. It does seem kernels that have high number of forks is more telling about the importance/usefulness than the upvotes. But it is good to have a reminder to acknowledge in some way when you benefit from others help and ideas!
", "rawMarkdown": "Perhaps forks should be incorporated in some way in ranking if automated upvote on a fork is not wanted. It does seem kernels that have high number of forks is more telling about the importance/usefulness than the upvotes. But it is good to have a reminder to acknowledge in some way when you benefit from others help and ideas!" } ] }, { "id": 422573, "postDate": "2018-11-16T12:29:36.037Z", "content": "Thank you for this kernel !
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for this kernel ! " }, { "id": 422458, "postDate": "2018-11-16T08:50:49.197Z", "content": "Thanks!
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks!" }, { "id": 420851, "postDate": "2018-11-14T08:18:29.870Z", "content": "thanks
", "rawMarkdown": "thanks" } ], "comments": [ { "id": 420113, "author_name": "Victor An", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-13T04:46:48.557000", "content": "It should be auto upvotes once it be forked.
", "votes": 43, "replies": [ { "id": 420991, "author_name": "Ankur Singh", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-14T12:40:39.110000", "content": "This seems a good option which should be implemented.
", "votes": 6, "replies": [] }, { "id": 424734, "author_name": "Paul Sarmadi", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-20T15:45:56.193000", "content": "At least a \"do you wish to give an upvote?\" question would be great once you clicked on \"fork\" for sure.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 443907, "author_name": "Janio Martinez Bachmann", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-22T17:36:51.117000", "content": "Totally agree with you, as more kernels are brought up into the Kaggle community competition is going up in terms of posting attractive kernels for the audience. For the individual who took months in developing a kernel for the community it will be reasonable for him/her to get at least an upvote for forking.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 662938, "author_name": "DLao", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-11-01T08:40:49.357000", "content": "My kernel has 734 forks and 184 upvotes...lol
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 799981, "author_name": "Andrey Chursov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-04-07T00:18:45.917000", "content": "Agree
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1393923, "author_name": "Tanay .M. Patare", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2021-07-20T03:03:15.107000", "content": "Can you explain what does that 743 forks mean??? @laowingkin
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 431246, "author_name": "Janio Martinez Bachmann", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-01T23:45:50.167000", "content": "Could Kaggle implement that if someone forks the notebook to give an automatic upvote to the kernel? I really don't get why someone will fork but won't give a simple upvote.
", "votes": 20, "replies": [ { "id": 431475, "author_name": "Abhishekmamidi", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-02T11:04:34.327000", "content": "Exactly. I too thought the same thing. For my recent kernel, I got more Forks than Upvotes.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 443906, "author_name": "Janio Martinez Bachmann", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-22T17:34:18.697000", "content": "Tell me about it, my most popular kernel has 256 votes but I have 534 forks. So approximately, 50% of people forked but did not liked my kernel. I don't like to give that much emphasis on upvotes because my aim is to share my work with the Kaggle community however, I will appreciate the upvote because this kernel took me approximately three months to complete since I was learning the concepts of dealing with imbalanced datasets at that time. If someone forks, a kernel should get an automatic upvote.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 417766, "author_name": "Siddharth Yadav", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T18:52:16.643000", "content": "This needs to be said. I am not the most productive person in the world. Little rewards help me in continuing to work. These range from a bar of snickers after a hard day in college to some upvotes on kaggle for my work. There is one logic that I apply to most things in my life:
\n\nThere are two kinds of people in the world according to their attitude towards approaching any work in daily life:
\n\nWhat if I don't do this? This is just a small thing. Won't make me any less successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed.
Maybe it's a small thing. But how can I ever be more successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed in life if I can't even do this?
So here it fits like this:
\n\nAll work here is open-source. What is the point of upvoting? It's not like he/she's losing some money or I am gaining something.
I will use his/her work to know gain insight regarding data and learn something new. I can at least upvote. It will be my way of thanking him/her.
Well, I mostly choose the second approach. It has made me more productive, increased my stamina, improved my social life and what not. Now, it's your choice, people. Let me know what you think.
", "votes": 15, "replies": [ { "id": 417774, "author_name": "Janio Martinez Bachmann", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T19:05:18.997000", "content": "Totally agree with you Siddharth!
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 444351, "author_name": "Cory J. Cascalheira", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-23T20:52:51.120000", "content": "Neat way of looking at it. I like the logic: incremental steps are key to any complex process (especially human motivation!). It comes down to decency, imo.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 418528, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T03:31:09.673000", "content": "Well said.
\n\nNote that it could be worse if down votes were allowed for kernels...
\n\nIt is not a joke actually, as I see very useful posts being downvoted for not sensible reason. And the same logic you advocate for kernels applies to posts, I often see thank you responses without any corresponding upvote. Maybe newcomers don't get that upvotes are more valuable on Kaggle than a thank you. This said, a thank you is always nice to read!
\n\nEdit. it seems you got a downvote on this post, which makes my point ;)
", "votes": 12, "replies": [ { "id": 418576, "author_name": "olivier", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T07:04:39.633000", "content": "@cpmpml, yeah I'm happy kernels can't be downvoted. Not sur why I got a downvote as I never downvote any posts or topic... Anyway this is standard community life I suppose.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 418838, "author_name": "Ankit Sati", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T17:47:02.403000", "content": "I guess most of the downvotes are because of double upvotes. What I mean is if someone upvotes a topic again even by mistake, the topic gets downvoted. I think Kaggle needs to change that.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 418849, "author_name": "Siddharth Yadav", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T18:03:58.693000", "content": "@satian This is possible but not believable. There can be heat on kaggle time to time. All my posts ever got 3 downvotes overnight when I spoke against cheating and listed the consequences(which those people weren't glad to hear). 3 downvotes on every post overnight doesn't happen by mistake.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 418857, "author_name": "Ankit Sati", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T18:35:57.530000", "content": "I didn't mean to say that it always happens by mistake. I just meant to say that it happens which is not good and Kaggle should fix that. But I get what you are saying and it is really unfortunate that people downvote good discussion topics but It is just one of the things about the internet, some people just can't hear something that is different from their viewpoint.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 418872, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T19:07:49.797000", "content": "\n\n\nif someone upvotes a topic again even by mistake, the topic gets downvoted.
\n
Not true, it merely cancels the upvote. I just checked on Olivier's post.
\n\nBut you are right, one may be tempted to click on the down arrow to cancel an upvote. And this one creates a downvote rather than ca&cancelling the upvote. Maybe that's what you wanted to point out.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 418878, "author_name": "Ankit Sati", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T19:24:34.493000", "content": "I also meant that clicking on upvote again cancels the previous upvote, which can be as same as a downvote, correct me if I am missing something but If I upvote a kernel and let's say it got 100 upvotes and if I click upvote one more time, it cancels it and the upvotes are back to 99. But my point is that's actually by mistake and that is like an unintentional downvote. I think like quora upvotes and downvotes should be counted separately or atleast double upvote should not cancel the upvote.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 419024, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-11T05:20:15.870000", "content": "\n\n\nIf I upvote a kernel and let's say it got 100 upvotes and if I click upvote one more time, it cancels it and the upvotes are back to 99.
\n
Yes, that's canceling the upvote, but that's not a down vote. A downvote is when the number of votes is less than the number of upvoters.
\n\nLet me try to explain differently. At the time of writing this, Olivier's post has 105 vote and 106 upvoters. If I upvote again, then my previous upvote is cancelled, as you say, but the number of upvoters is also reduced by one. That makes 104 votes and 105 upvoters. Still one downvote left. Not two downvotes.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 419033, "author_name": "Ankit Sati", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-11T05:42:41.523000", "content": "Okay, that makes sense. I wasn't aware of the upvoters. +1 Enlightenment for me. Thanks.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 419145, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-11T11:48:07.283000", "content": "Glad we agree!
\n\nThe issue you point to remains: it is too easy to cancel upvote by upvoting twice. And a related issue is this (it happened to me). If you want to cancel your up vote, for whatever reason, then it looks natural to ckick on the down arrow. Sure, this cancels your upvote but also creates a downvote.
\n\nThe logic should be, IMHO, depending on your current vote (none, up, down), and the arrow you click on (up, down):
\n\nvote x arrow -> new vote\n\nnone x up ->; up\nnone x down -> down\nup x up -> up\nup x down -> none\ndown x up -> none\ndown x down -> down\ninstead of the current behavior:
\n\nvote x arrow -> new vote\n\nnone x up -> up\nnone x down -> down\nup x up -> none\nup x down -> down\ndown x up -> up\ndown x down -> none\nI had a hard time understanding why I started downvoting while I was simply trying to remove my upvote. It's only after a while that I understood I had to click the upvote to remove my vote (my brain did not come with Adam implemented ...)
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 419158, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-11T12:03:06.940000", "content": "It happened to me as well, which is why I was picky in my first response above. I bet most people don't know about the current weird behavior .
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 419164, "author_name": "Ankit Sati", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-11T12:12:18.193000", "content": "There was no disagreement, my argument was biased because of incomplete information @cpmp . Kaggle should do something about this. The votes matters and if someone is sharing something for the benefit of the community than an upvote is the least anyone can do. Kaggle is an awesome platform only because of people like you, @olivier, @SRK, @hengck23 and all the others who keep sharing their ideas with the community. Best way we can show appreciation is through upvotes.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 419166, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-11T12:13:33.610000", "content": "I created a product wish, upvote it please if you support it: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/71210
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 419612, "author_name": "Erik Bruin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-12T09:43:05.277000", "content": "I had a hard time understanding why I started downvoting while I was simply trying to remove my upvote. It's only after a while that I understood I had to click the upvote to remove my vote (my brain did not come with Adam implemented …)
Pff...same thing here. It did not know about this! Also thought that after an upvote, I could not get back to \"neutral\"........
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 670330, "author_name": "André Neves", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-11-11T10:46:20.710000", "content": "I'm up for an automatic upvote when you fork a kernel, I mean if you are going to use the kernel that another user made it is only fair to give them an upvote.
\n\nIf you wish to downvote later by all means do it!
", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 417384, "author_name": "Serigne ", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T07:14:11.427000", "content": "Agree
\n\nSame for this beluga kernel, which has huge impact on Quickddraw competition
\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/gaborfodor/greyscale-mobilenet-lb-0-892
", "votes": 10, "replies": [ { "id": 417756, "author_name": "Siddharth Yadav", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T18:31:39.500000", "content": "Dude this got like 6-7 times more forks than upvotes. Even if few people fork it 5 times, it is still a great difference.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 418268, "author_name": "Erik Bruin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-09T15:13:52.303000", "content": "In addition, I see many nice comments without upvote. Ok, sometimes maybe people forget that, but I suspect not always.....
", "votes": 7, "replies": [] }, { "id": 418064, "author_name": "Firat Gonen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-09T08:24:38.040000", "content": "using, loving, and UPVOTING!
", "votes": 8, "replies": [] }, { "id": 417993, "author_name": "Subrahmanyam V", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-09T04:52:27.837000", "content": "There is a little catch here from my beginner perspective. All the kernels that I upvoted appear in the Favourites tab of the Kernels. \nI really don't want too many kernels to be there in my favourites. So I have actually taken off my upvotes for some of the kernels which I don't want to refer anymore. It's not bad intent, just that I don't want to clutter my favourites.
\n\nAs you can see multiplexing two features (Favourites and Upvotes) makes things complicated. As a feature request I would request Kaggle to provide a separate \"Add to favourites\" button. Then Upvoting just remains a way of thanking for useful content.
", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 494940, "author_name": "Ashish Gupta", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-03-20T13:07:09.733000", "content": "Votes are probably the only thing that motivates kernel grandmasters, masters and experts to deliver more to the community. Being a kernel expert i know how much effort we put in making the logics and designing an end to end learning kernel. 1 or 2 down votes doesn’t discourage a life long learner, but making this a habit, can certainly discourage the people who have their full time jobs and still they actively contribute to the community.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 494948, "author_name": "Janio Martinez Bachmann", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-03-20T13:23:51.817000", "content": "Totally agree with you Ashish, I don't think downvotes would be a solution but I am more inclined for the automatic upvote when someone forks. Also, I do think if a downvote was implemented, there would be people that will downvote the project of others for no apparent reason. My logic behind the forking and voting would be if you didn't like the project we have just uploaded then why would you fork the project? That's just my opinion. Have a great day!
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 494952, "author_name": "Ashish Gupta", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-03-20T13:34:35.490000", "content": "Same here. I have around 500 upvotes with more than 1000 forks. But then it does motivates me because my goal is to help the community. Winning comes later.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 494997, "author_name": "Janio Martinez Bachmann", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-03-20T14:17:35.353000", "content": "Same with me here, we already won since we learn from both the community and from ourselves. That makes us already victorious.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 446257, "author_name": "Erik Bruin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-27T19:07:46.690000", "content": "I totally agree with the automatic upvoting after forking, but would like to add one thing. R-users work a lot with Rmarkdown locally. In that case, downloading the code instead of forking makes a lot of sense. I have done this several times, and also only one of my Rmd-kernels has more forks than upvotes. I just checked Heads or Tails' kernels as a reference ( @headsortails ) and noticed that he has 5100 votes and \"only\" 3600 forks.
\n\nAlthough I have just published my first Python kernel, I would like to keep it fair for the Rmd guys ;-). My suggestion is to also do automatic upvoting after hitting the \"Download code\" button.
", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 446509, "author_name": "olivier", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-28T07:56:53.257000", "content": "Thanks Erik for bringing this up. I was not aware of this difference for R users !
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 446549, "author_name": "Erik Bruin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-12-28T09:14:41.837000", "content": "Editing Rmarkdown directly in a Kaggle kernel just does not work that well. You would have edit it as a script, and cannot run/check/test anything by chunk.
\n\nThere might also be other reasons for R being forked less in general than Python. Since the majority of users on Kaggle use Python, I can also imagine that lots of people read and upvote interesting R kernels but don't fork as they don't know the language anyway.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 419215, "author_name": "Rangan Das", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-11T14:36:43.207000", "content": "New here. Went back and upvoted the kernels I forked. Thanks for this post.
", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 423249, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-17T19:27:17.123000", "content": "", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 417464, "author_name": "Miha Skalic", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T10:18:37.110000", "content": "It's an honor to be called talented by Olivier.
", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 417472, "author_name": "olivier", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T10:42:26.003000", "content": "@mihaskalic you're absolutely amazing with NN ;-)
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 425184, "author_name": "Firat Gonen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-21T08:55:02.613000", "content": "Hi,
\n\nI really love Kaggle and I believe every single member has something to offer and contribute...especially GrandMasters like Olivier and others.
\n\nAny insincere or dishonest behavior damages the Kaggle environment and pushing the contributing mentor a \"lil\" bit away.
\n\nI truly, humbly want to thank Olivier (and other kernel sharing folks) for his several Kernels, I learned a lot!
\n\nmerci beaucoup @Olivier!
", "votes": 6, "replies": [] }, { "id": 418416, "author_name": "YaGana Sheriff-Hussaini", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-09T21:55:46.233000", "content": "@Olivier, I agree 100%. I also noticed lately, even when people ask questions and someone answers, the person asking do not upvote which is strange. Upvoting is how sometimes we acknowledge if you do not feel like writing. I believe even if one writes to thank the person answering the question I would always upvote the answer as well. But forking a kernel and not upvoting it is really in bad taste.
", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 418578, "author_name": "olivier", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-10T07:05:56.453000", "content": "I experienced that as well @sheriytm ;-)
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 417469, "author_name": "Toby Cheese", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T10:29:42.747000", "content": "You know... some of us, like me, just routinely forget to upvote. It's not ignorance, and it is certainly not malice. I am not much of an upvoter because I rarely use social networks (other than linkedin) and because, somewhere in my unconsciousness, I oppose against the constant tracking of my preferences.
\n\nWhenever I think of it, I do upvote. But very often I just forget. It's the same on stackoverflow. I must have profited thousands of times from posts there, and maybe cast 50 or 100 upvotes.
", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 417479, "author_name": "olivier", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T10:50:41.413000", "content": "Hey Toby, no worries. I'm just trying to remind us all what IMHO makes a community. Forgetting to upvote can happen to anyone and you can certainly count me in. Plus the fact that sometimes you upvote and for some reason the second after it's not there anymore (this happened quite often).
\n\nThe kernels I linked are really really off in terms of Fork to Upvote ratio. People may say they fork the same kernels over and over again but the vast majority of people just fork once.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 469806, "author_name": "Stéphane Couvreur", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-02-11T20:52:14.773000", "content": "Great point for the community spirit Olivier ! Thank you
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 426281, "author_name": "Aguiar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-23T02:16:28.780000", "content": "Completely agree. I got 37 votes for more than 150 forks in a recent notebook for another competition (two sigma)..
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 426380, "author_name": "Firat Gonen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-23T06:51:39.347000", "content": "completely unfair!
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 419645, "author_name": "Kishore Konakanti", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-12T10:56:49.777000", "content": "Voting accompanied with an optional answer to reason for voting will make the voting sensible... Blind/Just up/down voting doesnt help the kernel author to understand the strengths/weeknesses of his/her kernel :)
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 419687, "author_name": "Siddharth Yadav", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-12T11:55:37.200000", "content": "One can always comment to convey what they think about a kernel. And yes, it is optional to comment. Unfortunately, this community like many others equates advice to criticism so fewer people comment out their suggestions.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 417773, "author_name": "Janio Martinez Bachmann", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T19:04:11.007000", "content": "Totally get you Olivier, the amount of time Kagglers dedicate to high quality kernels is a lot and forking and not upvoting is not fair for those people who dedicated a high amount of time on those projects. Come on its just one click!
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 417644, "author_name": "averagemn", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T15:17:09.823000", "content": "You are 100% correct of course. I am very grateful for all the hard work and opportunities these kernels give for me to learn. Much better than just reading and doing some random practice on my own. And there is a lot of work in all of that.
\n\nI guess it is easier and more exciting to fork and see if you can benefit yourself, rather than to upvote to show appreciation, which is not visible for self in any way. Maybe forks could count for something as well. Probably many are more concerned about getting more votes for themselves, and maybe even gaming it :).
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 417568, "author_name": "Cory J. Cascalheira", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T13:19:06.887000", "content": "After all, this is a community of learners! Quite important to show appreciation, I agree. And! It costs nothing to do so! Just one extra click.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 417485, "author_name": "Andrey Lukyanenko", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T11:00:03.123000", "content": "Hm, after this I'm glad that my kernel has more votes than forks :)\nThough in general my kernels also have more forks that upvotes
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 417493, "author_name": "olivier", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T11:16:21.253000", "content": "Having less upvotes than forks is a standard thing since some may fork more than once. But sometimes I find upvotes crazy low. In the above kernels I could not believe my eyes.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 417496, "author_name": "Andrey Lukyanenko", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T11:20:32.937000", "content": "Well, one of my kernels has 242 upvotes and 758 forks; another one - 102 upvotes and 384 forks. A bit crazy, I agree :)
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 417463, "author_name": "Yury Kashnitsky", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T10:18:04.210000", "content": "I'd pretend to be the Devil's advocate: sometimes one might fork a Kernel and find it not really useful. So why upvote in such case? :)
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 417474, "author_name": "olivier", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T10:44:17.443000", "content": "I don't think anyone can find these kernels useless ;-) but that may be my lack of AI knowledge ...
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 417406, "author_name": "spektral", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T08:00:26.117000", "content": "people sharing their knowledge for free. and upvoting also free. %100 agreee with you.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 417388, "author_name": "Peter", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-08T07:19:01.553000", "content": "I 100% agree. I've learned a lot from the kernels/discussions. On most of the other websites, I'd have to pay for the same information. The very least I can do is give the authors an upvote.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 426665, "author_name": "FabienDaniel", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-23T16:06:05.283000", "content": "I guess that many people are not aware that kernel's writers care about votes. Perhaps, a reminder to people who fork kernels could ba a good idea. I created a post in the product feedback forum to suggest to add such a feature : https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/72474
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 423501, "author_name": "sundar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-18T12:11:23.893000", "content": "Everyone should support , motivate each other.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 425357, "author_name": "Firat Gonen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-11-21T13:36:23.303000", "content": "true!
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one forced them to share anything, sharing is their free gift to the community. Well I'd answer if you use their skills to climb the LB the least you could do is upvote.\n\nHope this trend will reverse\n\nThanks for your help in keeping the community an enjoyable place.\n\nYours SINCERLY ;-)", "420113": "It should be auto upvotes once it be forked.", "431246": "Could Kaggle implement that if someone forks the notebook to give an automatic upvote to the kernel? I really don't get why someone will fork but won't give a simple upvote. ", "417766": "This needs to be said. I am not the most productive person in the world. Little rewards help me in continuing to work. These range from a bar of snickers after a hard day in college to some upvotes on kaggle for my work. There is one logic that I apply to most things in my life:\n\nThere are two kinds of people in the world according to their attitude towards approaching any work in daily life:\n\n1. What if I don't do this? This is just a small thing. Won't make me any less successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed.\n\n2. Maybe it's a small thing. But how can I ever be more successful/satisfied/appreciated/grateful/relaxed in life if I can't even do this?\n\nSo here it fits like this:\n\n1. All work here is open-source. What is the point of upvoting? It's not like he/she's losing some money or I am gaining something.\n\n2. I will use his/her work to know gain insight regarding data and learn something new. I can at least upvote. It will be my way of thanking him/her.\n\nWell, I mostly choose the second approach. It has made me more productive, increased my stamina, improved my social life and what not. Now, it's your choice, people. Let me know what you think.", "418528": "Well said.\n\nNote that it could be worse if down votes were allowed for kernels...\n\nIt is not a joke actually, as I see very useful posts being downvoted for not sensible reason. And the same logic you advocate for kernels applies to posts, I often see *thank you* responses without any corresponding upvote. Maybe newcomers don't get that upvotes are more valuable on Kaggle than a thank you. This said, a thank you is always nice to read!\n\nEdit. it seems you got a downvote on this post, which makes my point ;)", "670330": "I'm up for an automatic upvote when you fork a kernel, I mean if you are going to use the kernel that another user made it is only fair to give them an upvote.\n\nIf you wish to downvote later by all means do it!", "417384": "Agree\n\nSame for this beluga kernel, which has huge impact on Quickddraw competition\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/gaborfodor/greyscale-mobilenet-lb-0-892", "418268": "In addition, I see many nice comments without upvote. Ok, sometimes maybe people forget that, but I suspect not always.....", "418064": "using, loving, and UPVOTING!", "417993": "There is a little catch here from my beginner perspective. All the kernels that I upvoted appear in the Favourites tab of the Kernels. \nI really don't want too many kernels to be there in my favourites. So I have actually taken off my upvotes for some of the kernels which I don't want to refer anymore. It's not bad intent, just that I don't want to clutter my favourites.\n\nAs you can see multiplexing two features (Favourites and Upvotes) makes things complicated. As a feature request I would request Kaggle to provide a separate \"Add to favourites\" button. Then Upvoting just remains a way of thanking for useful content.\n", "446257": "I totally agree with the automatic upvoting after forking, but would like to add one thing. R-users work a lot with Rmarkdown locally. In that case, downloading the code instead of forking makes a lot of sense. I have done this several times, and also only one of my Rmd-kernels has more forks than upvotes. I just checked Heads or Tails' kernels as a reference ( @headsortails ) and noticed that he has 5100 votes and \"only\" 3600 forks.\n\nAlthough I have just published my first Python kernel, I would like to keep it fair for the Rmd guys ;-). My suggestion is to also do automatic upvoting after hitting the \"Download code\" button.", "419215": "New here. Went back and upvoted the kernels I forked. Thanks for this post.", "417464": "It's an honor to be called talented by Olivier.", "425184": "Hi,\n\nI really love Kaggle and I believe every single member has something to offer and contribute...especially GrandMasters like Olivier and others. \n\nAny insincere or dishonest behavior damages the Kaggle environment and pushing the contributing mentor a \"lil\" bit away. \n\nI truly, humbly want to thank Olivier (and other kernel sharing folks) for his several Kernels, I learned a lot!\n\nmerci beaucoup @Olivier! ", "418416": "@Olivier, I agree 100%. I also noticed lately, even when people ask questions and someone answers, the person asking do not upvote which is strange. Upvoting is how sometimes we acknowledge if you do not feel like writing. I believe even if one writes to thank the person answering the question I would always upvote the answer as well. But forking a kernel and not upvoting it is really in bad taste.", "417469": "You know... some of us, like me, just routinely forget to upvote. It's not ignorance, and it is certainly not malice. I am not much of an upvoter because I rarely use social networks (other than linkedin) and because, somewhere in my unconsciousness, I oppose against the constant tracking of my preferences.\n\nWhenever I think of it, I do upvote. But very often I just forget. It's the same on stackoverflow. I must have profited thousands of times from posts there, and maybe cast 50 or 100 upvotes.", "469806": "Great point for the community spirit Olivier ! Thank you", "426281": "Completely agree. I got 37 votes for more than 150 forks in a recent [notebook](https://www.kaggle.com/jsaguiar/baseline-with-news-gbm/notebook) for another competition (two sigma)..", "419645": "Voting accompanied with an optional answer to reason for voting will make the voting sensible... Blind/Just up/down voting doesnt help the kernel author to understand the strengths/weeknesses of his/her kernel :)", "417773": "Totally get you Olivier, the amount of time Kagglers dedicate to high quality kernels is a lot and forking and not upvoting is not fair for those people who dedicated a high amount of time on those projects. Come on its just one click! ", "417644": "You are 100% correct of course. I am very grateful for all the hard work and opportunities these kernels give for me to learn. Much better than just reading and doing some random practice on my own. And there is a lot of work in all of that.\n\nI guess it is easier and more exciting to fork and see if you can benefit yourself, rather than to upvote to show appreciation, which is not visible for self in any way. Maybe forks could count for something as well. Probably many are more concerned about getting more votes for themselves, and maybe even gaming it :).", "417568": "After all, this is a community of learners! Quite important to show appreciation, I agree. And! It costs nothing to do so! Just **one** extra click.", "417485": "Hm, after this I'm glad that my kernel has more votes than forks :)\nThough in general my kernels also have more forks that upvotes", "417463": "I'd pretend to be the Devil's advocate: sometimes one might fork a Kernel and find it not really useful. So why upvote in such case? :)", "417406": "people sharing their knowledge for free. and upvoting also free. %100 agreee with you.", "417388": "I 100% agree. I've learned a lot from the kernels/discussions. On most of the other websites, I'd have to pay for the same information. The very least I can do is give the authors an upvote. ", "426665": "I guess that many people are not aware that kernel's writers care about votes. Perhaps, a reminder to people who fork kernels could ba a good idea. I created a post in the product feedback forum to suggest to add such a feature : https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/72474", "423501": "Everyone should support , motivate each other.", "425127": "Id agree with auto upvotes if forked - until then upvote at the same time as forking.", "425029": "Yes, this is a great suggestion that upvote is a great support for anyone write kernels to share with others.\nUpvote, Upvote, Upvote. Easy but meaningful!", "423432": "I agree. Some people said that they only upvote the kernels that are \"useful\", but by the time you decide to fork one kernel haven't you decided whether it is useful?", "423419": "Completely agree with you Olivier!!! I think people are only interested in achieving the best personal result rather than sharing work and recognize meritocracy ((( On the other hand, it reflects what also happens in everyday life !!!", "422682": "I agree. It's the least you could for utilising their material.", "420970": "I first Upvote , Then Fork", "419846": "Good point", "419161": "Yes. You are right.", "418846": "I agree. I'm new to kaggle so I haven't really done too much but its nice to show your appreciation to those who do share their work.", "418707": "completely agreed, I will try to do it for all the kernels I fork.", "418532": "Well said , gratitude is part of learning :-)", "418258": "Completely agreed! ", "418099": "Please correct me if I did not get you right. My take on this is the people who already have brand are getting more upvotes than the people who are in starting stage in kaggle.", "417892": "I've found that Kaggle isn't very good at remembering upvotes across multiple pages. Sometimes I'll upvote a kernel and then forget about it but I'll click upvote a second time on a different page which undoes upvotes!", "471434": "Some people! ;)", "471152": "People who downvoted should be traced down by Kaggle itself!(just to check whether the same folks always downvote)\n\nAnd folks, They do loose a lot of things and you gain very few...\n\nLike Rank of the kaggle progressive system Globally...\nFun three digits Rank/ Fake Bronze/Silver medals people brag about!", "426000": "I agree and not only upvote but if its used in submissions, the least that can be done is to credit the kernels forked. Kaggle team may be can enhance the forking to auto upvote.", "425257": "I am having a brainwave: What is the forkers are also made visible? Now, you can only see the forkers who also made the fork public (I have had some novices forking my getting started kernels with accompanying self-votes. Fortunately, people usually notice that and ignore them ;-)). If the \"private\" forks would also be visible, these non-voters would be exposed. If people are aware of that, I think they might also upvote more often.", "418987": "Is it possible that some of the upvote discrepancy is due to the same people forking the kernel more than once and being unable to upvote again?", "418077": "You're totally right and I personally upvote all the kernels I fork.\n\nJust one note to consider: I believe that Kaggle counts every fork, even multiple forks by one user, while one user can upvote only once.\n\nI sometimes fork one public kernel multiple times throughout the time (to test different ideas). I didn't find a way to get back to previous version in one kernel (like fork of public kernel -> version 1 -> version 2 -> version 3 -> dead end, i want to go back ... I would have to rewrite all the changes manually -> new fork is easier). Maybe I'm too stupid, I just didn't figure it out how to make it better.", "418019": "Totally agree with you. My own kernel in google analytics competition has 96 forks but just 29 upvotes. It doesn't make sense that on one hand people use kernels to climb up on LB but won't do something as a simple upvote in return. ", "418012": "Wow. Surely a fork to use a kernel should result in an automatic upvote of X votes. Not sure what X should be but definitely >= 1. ", "417484": "this needs to be automated.... simple", "419003": "You're right! People should be more supportive of kernels that are useful to them by upvoting.", "423200": "yeah, that's true. feature update can be the solution.", "419581": "There must be LOCK option to FORKING without UPVOTING someone's contribution. I have addressed this issue few months back here - https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/61171", "417425": "Is it a real problem to get angry, honestly?", "419062": "[URL=\"https://ufa007.co/casino\"]สล็อต[/URL] :dy\n[URL=\"https://ufa007.co/casino\"]สล็อตออนไลน์[/URL] :dy", "418568": "Great Work.", "418311": "Incredible!", "604758": "Totally Agree!", "553672": "Finally, someone who said it! It's really annoying to miss out on a medal even when you know that 50-75 people out there advanced on the leaderboard using your code!", "536741": "I really agree with you. Up-vote is an appreciation of one's work, it definitely encourages the contributors to learn and share the new skills with every one. Thanks for pressing this point. ", "499551": "Totaly agree.", "474256": "well said...", "424119": "ddddd", "423734": "Agree!\n", "423141": "Good call", "421912": "yes.", "421447": "Could Kaggle get rid of such bots?", "421444": "I agree. Even though I'm not a master or GrandMaster(yet) it pains to see that your kernel(s) get a few forks with no upvote. Of course the goal is not upvotes but they do go a long way in motivating us,especially those of us still low in the rankings.", "420553": "I was not aware that a fork was not a upvote instantly. Will upvote when I fork from now on. \n\nKeep up the good work :-)", "419988": "very nice job~", "419525": "can not agree more", "419522": "write a comment to to \"professional\"", "419504": "Credit where it's due! ", "419097": "completely agreed!", "418753": "Agreed, will do this every time.", "417657": "You're totally right master", "417526": "+1", "417448": "Dear Sir,\n\nI am still new, so I don't have enough knowledge about the benefits of Forks, and what is upvote?", "670329": "", "438138": "", "423688": "", "423576": "", "422959": "", "422629": "", "420821": "", "420064": "", "418755": "", "417841": "", "422573": "Thank you for this kernel ! ", "422458": "Thanks!", "420851": "thanks" } }