{ "id": 384161, "title": "Let's play!", "url": "/competitions/predict-student-performance-from-game-play/discussion/384161", "author_name": "Michal Bogacz", "post_date": "2023-02-06T21:03:11.300000", "votes": 73, "comment_count": 18, "views": 0, "content": "

Hi,
\nI see we can play the title game at this link.

\n

The plot of the game: Play as Jo Wilder, a scrappy girl who spends her days with her pet badger Teddy and her grandpa, a historian. When some mysterious artifacts show up at the History Museum, you must unravel the clues to find the real stories behind the artifacts.

\n

It seems that playing the game can be a useful step in understanding the problem and data and translate into better results πŸ€“

\n

Sources:
\nhttps://fielddaylab.wisc.edu/play/jowilder/
\nhttps://pbswisconsineducation.org/jowilder/about/

", "messages": [ { "id": 2132507, "postDate": "2023-02-06T21:03:11.300Z", "content": "

Hi,
\nI see we can play the title game at this link.

\n

The plot of the game: Play as Jo Wilder, a scrappy girl who spends her days with her pet badger Teddy and her grandpa, a historian. When some mysterious artifacts show up at the History Museum, you must unravel the clues to find the real stories behind the artifacts.

\n

It seems that playing the game can be a useful step in understanding the problem and data and translate into better results πŸ€“

\n

Sources:
\nhttps://fielddaylab.wisc.edu/play/jowilder/
\nhttps://pbswisconsineducation.org/jowilder/about/

", "rawMarkdown": "Hi, \nI see we can play the title game [at this link](https://pbswisconsineducation.org/jowilder/play-the-game/).\n\nThe plot of the game: Play as Jo Wilder, a scrappy girl who spends her days with her pet badger Teddy and her grandpa, a historian. When some mysterious artifacts show up at the History Museum, you must unravel the clues to find the real stories behind the artifacts.\n\nIt seems that playing the game can be a useful step in understanding the problem and data and translate into better results πŸ€“\n\nSources: \nhttps://fielddaylab.wisc.edu/play/jowilder/ \nhttps://pbswisconsineducation.org/jowilder/about/\n", "votes": 72 }, { "id": 2133448, "postDate": "2023-02-07T12:25:03.083Z", "content": "

And the source code of the game is public! check it out here https://github.com/fielddaylab/jo_wilder

", "rawMarkdown": "And the source code of the game is public! check it out here https://github.com/fielddaylab/jo_wilder", "votes": 12 }, { "id": 2141413, "postDate": "2023-02-12T18:33:22.107Z", "content": "

One of the first impressions after playing the game is that some of the answers can be ambigous.
\nI think that to answer the question you don't really need to keep focus while playing the game. All answers can be answered well, just by looking into ingame notebook. I think that the most important thing for this competition is to identify types of person who plays the game, not the people attention.

", "rawMarkdown": "One of the first impressions after playing the game is that some of the answers can be ambigous.\nI think that to answer the question you don't really need to keep focus while playing the game. All answers can be answered well, just by looking into ingame notebook. I think that the most important thing for this competition is to identify types of person who plays the game, not the people attention.", "votes": 5 }, { "id": 2141763, "postDate": "2023-02-13T04:45:17.040Z", "content": "

Hey there! Thanks for sharing the information about the game \"Jo Wilder.\" It sounds like an interesting way to learn about history and problem-solving. Using gamification to understand and engage with a subject can be a fun and effective way to learn.

", "rawMarkdown": "Hey there! Thanks for sharing the information about the game \"Jo Wilder.\" It sounds like an interesting way to learn about history and problem-solving. Using gamification to understand and engage with a subject can be a fun and effective way to learn.", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 2135723, "postDate": "2023-02-08T20:45:55.207Z", "content": "

I just finished the game. It takes about 30 minutes and there are 5 chapters. You can try it out!

", "rawMarkdown": "I just finished the game. It takes about 30 minutes and there are 5 chapters. You can try it out!", "replies": [ { "id": 2135730, "postDate": "2023-02-08T20:57:11.247Z", "content": "

@freaxmind When does the game ask the questions? I'm curious what the questions are and how they relate to the gameplay.

", "rawMarkdown": "@freaxmind When does the game ask the questions? I'm curious what the questions are and how they relate to the gameplay.", "replies": [ { "id": 2135881, "postDate": "2023-02-08T23:30:21.100Z", "content": "

@cdeotte I thought you have already played it since you're already deep in building a model πŸ˜….

\n

This is what I conclude after playing the game and reading through the test.csv data.
\nFirst a user (session_id) is performing a sequence of actions (as logged in test.csv). After he finished a level_group (e.g. 0-4), usually being logged as \"checkpoint\" event in the test.csv, then user starts to get a sequence of questions to be answered (e.g. 3 questions). This questioning event is not being logged at all into test.csv, so we don't know what the questions are, and what their answers are.
\nAfter the questioning is finished, then the game proceed into the next level_group.

\n
\n

I'm curious what the questions are and how they relate to the gameplay.

\n
\n

If you've read through test.csv, the player founds a women's basketball jersey from 1916, but later found out that basketball team didn't start until 1974 which is contradicting.
\nThe questions in the questioning event would be about \"How make you think this artifact is not that team basketball jersey? Show me the proof!\", then the player would need to answer the question by presenting the proof from the notebook.

", "rawMarkdown": "@cdeotte I thought you have already played it since you're already deep in building a model πŸ˜….\n\nThis is what I conclude after playing the game and reading through the `test.csv` data.\nFirst a user (session_id) is performing a sequence of actions (as logged in `test.csv`). After he finished a level_group (e.g. `0-4`), usually being logged as \"checkpoint\" event in the `test.csv`, then user starts to get a sequence of questions to be answered (e.g. 3 questions). This questioning event is **not** being logged at all into `test.csv`, so we don't know what the questions are, and what their answers are.\nAfter the questioning is finished, then the game proceed into the next level_group.\n\n> I'm curious what the questions are and how they relate to the gameplay.\n\nIf you've read through `test.csv`, the player founds a women's basketball jersey from 1916, but later found out that basketball team didn't start until 1974 which is contradicting.\nThe questions in the questioning event would be about \"How make you think this artifact is not that team basketball jersey? Show me the proof!\", then the player would need to answer the question by presenting the proof from the notebook.", "votes": 15 }, { "id": 2135889, "postDate": "2023-02-08T23:42:24.450Z", "content": "

Thanks. I have been playing but i am only on chapter 3. Right now I am solving the mystery of missing Teddy! I hope Teddy is ok!

\n

When they ask \"Show me the proof\", we can just click everything from the notebook (i.e. try multiple times). So what is a wrong answer? (i.e. do we need to get the answer on first response?) And if I finish all the chapters are there final questions at the end too?

", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks. I have been playing but i am only on chapter 3. Right now I am solving the mystery of missing Teddy! I hope Teddy is ok!\n\nWhen they ask \"Show me the proof\", we can just click everything from the notebook (i.e. try multiple times). So what is a wrong answer? (i.e. do we need to get the answer on first response?) And if I finish all the chapters are there final questions at the end too?", "votes": 5 }, { "id": 2136587, "postDate": "2023-02-09T12:28:15.827Z", "content": "

On a lighter note:

\n

The hosts are also taking Kagglers back to school πŸ™πŸ˜„

", "rawMarkdown": "On a lighter note: \n\nThe hosts are also taking Kagglers back to school πŸ™πŸ˜„", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 2136900, "postDate": "2023-02-09T16:05:39.413Z", "content": "

Hi! I have posted a detailed analysis and walkthrough of the game including all the 18 questions and answers here https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/predict-student-performance-from-game-play/discussion/384796 it'll help!

", "rawMarkdown": "Hi! I have posted a detailed analysis and walkthrough of the game including all the 18 questions and answers here https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/predict-student-performance-from-game-play/discussion/384796 it'll help!", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 2136979, "postDate": "2023-02-09T16:48:47.373Z", "content": "

Thanks pjmathematician, this is very helpful. Does anyone know what is the definition of \"correct answer\" and \"incorrect answer\"? Because it seems that we cannot continue the game until we get a correct answer.

", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks pjmathematician, this is very helpful. Does anyone know what is the definition of \"correct answer\" and \"incorrect answer\"? Because it seems that we cannot continue the game until we get a correct answer.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2136996, "postDate": "2023-02-09T17:05:06.880Z", "content": "

If all answers are in the notebook, then what is required to get it to show up in the notebook? Everything in the notebook is there from the start? Or it gets filled in automatically from mandatory events as you progress? Or it's possible to 'miss' an object or event, and thus not have the proof in your notebook?

\n

(Yes, I should just play the game, but it would be good to have this documented either way)

", "rawMarkdown": "If all answers are in the notebook, then what is required to get it to show up in the notebook? Everything in the notebook is there from the start? Or it gets filled in automatically from mandatory events as you progress? Or it's possible to 'miss' an object or event, and thus not have the proof in your notebook?\n\n(Yes, I should just play the game, but it would be good to have this documented either way)" }, { "id": 2137025, "postDate": "2023-02-09T17:23:22.407Z", "content": "

Jo Wilder (the main character of the game) takes notes as events happen in the notebook. And then in conclusion of every chapter, Jo answers the questions of her grandpa and the museum person by showing them the notes (quiz) from the notebook.
\nSo everything gets filled \"automatically\" in the notebook as the game progresses, and for this game, there is not a possibility of missing out any object.

", "rawMarkdown": "Jo Wilder (the main character of the game) takes notes as events happen in the notebook. And then in conclusion of every chapter, Jo answers the questions of her grandpa and the museum person by showing them the notes (quiz) from the notebook.\nSo everything gets filled \"automatically\" in the notebook as the game progresses, and for this game, there is not a possibility of missing out any object.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2137033, "postDate": "2023-02-09T17:26:59.187Z", "content": "
\n

If all answers are in the notebook, then what is required to get it to show up in the notebook?

\n
\n

We fill up the notebook by exploring and finding the items during gameplay. Once we find an item, it gets listed in the notebook. Then when we need to answer a question, we open the notebook and click one of the items in the notebook. (We can try to answer as many times as we want and can therefore just click everything in notebook one by one).

", "rawMarkdown": ">If all answers are in the notebook, then what is required to get it to show up in the notebook?\n\nWe fill up the notebook by exploring and finding the items during gameplay. Once we find an item, it gets listed in the notebook. Then when we need to answer a question, we open the notebook and click one of the items in the notebook. (We can try to answer as many times as we want and can therefore just click everything in notebook one by one).", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 2199660, "postDate": "2023-03-27T23:12:43.600Z", "content": "
\n

Does anyone know what is the definition of \"correct answer\" and \"incorrect answer\"?

\n
\n

Has anyone found an answer to this question? Not sure if I've missed it (apologies if so). I'm assuming it's probably a correct answer on first go, since you can't move on until you've given the correct answer, but wanted to double-check.

\n

Seems like it could have real implications for how you'd predict someone's performance!

", "rawMarkdown": ">Does anyone know what is the definition of \"correct answer\" and \"incorrect answer\"?\n\nHas anyone found an answer to this question? Not sure if I've missed it (apologies if so). I'm assuming it's probably a correct answer on first go, since you can't move on until you've given the correct answer, but wanted to double-check. \n\nSeems like it could have real implications for how you'd predict someone's performance!" }, { "id": 2199692, "postDate": "2023-03-28T00:03:57.680Z", "content": "
\n

A \"correct answer\" here indicates that the player got the answer correct on their first attempt.

\n
\n

Source: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/predict-student-performance-from-game-play/discussion/384801#2137152

", "rawMarkdown": ">A \"correct answer\" here indicates that the player got the answer correct on their first attempt. \n\nSource: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/predict-student-performance-from-game-play/discussion/384801#2137152", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2199704, "postDate": "2023-03-28T00:39:45.540Z", "content": "

Perfect! Figured I'd probably missed some mention of this somewhere. Thanks!

", "rawMarkdown": "Perfect! Figured I'd probably missed some mention of this somewhere. Thanks!" } ] } ] }, { "id": 2135239, "postDate": "2023-02-08T14:22:23.490Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 2218149, "postDate": "2023-04-11T13:15:46.383Z", "content": "

Thanks for sharing the information

", "rawMarkdown": " Thanks for sharing the information" } ], "comments": [ { "id": 2133448, "author_name": "pjmathematician", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-07T12:25:03.083000", "content": "

And the source code of the game is public! check it out here https://github.com/fielddaylab/jo_wilder

", "votes": 12, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2141413, "author_name": "Maciej KrΓ³l", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-12T18:33:22.107000", "content": "

One of the first impressions after playing the game is that some of the answers can be ambigous.
\nI think that to answer the question you don't really need to keep focus while playing the game. All answers can be answered well, just by looking into ingame notebook. I think that the most important thing for this competition is to identify types of person who plays the game, not the people attention.

", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2141763, "author_name": "Ryan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-13T04:45:17.040000", "content": "

Hey there! Thanks for sharing the information about the game \"Jo Wilder.\" It sounds like an interesting way to learn about history and problem-solving. Using gamification to understand and engage with a subject can be a fun and effective way to learn.

", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2135723, "author_name": "MΓ©dΓ©ric Hurier (Fmind)", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-08T20:45:55.207000", "content": "

I just finished the game. It takes about 30 minutes and there are 5 chapters. You can try it out!

", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 2135730, "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-08T20:57:11.247000", "content": "

@freaxmind When does the game ask the questions? I'm curious what the questions are and how they relate to the gameplay.

", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 2135881, "author_name": "Thariq Nugrohotomo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-08T23:30:21.100000", "content": "

@cdeotte I thought you have already played it since you're already deep in building a model πŸ˜….

\n

This is what I conclude after playing the game and reading through the test.csv data.
\nFirst a user (session_id) is performing a sequence of actions (as logged in test.csv). After he finished a level_group (e.g. 0-4), usually being logged as \"checkpoint\" event in the test.csv, then user starts to get a sequence of questions to be answered (e.g. 3 questions). This questioning event is not being logged at all into test.csv, so we don't know what the questions are, and what their answers are.
\nAfter the questioning is finished, then the game proceed into the next level_group.

\n
\n

I'm curious what the questions are and how they relate to the gameplay.

\n
\n

If you've read through test.csv, the player founds a women's basketball jersey from 1916, but later found out that basketball team didn't start until 1974 which is contradicting.
\nThe questions in the questioning event would be about \"How make you think this artifact is not that team basketball jersey? Show me the proof!\", then the player would need to answer the question by presenting the proof from the notebook.

", "votes": 15, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2135889, "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-08T23:42:24.450000", "content": "

Thanks. I have been playing but i am only on chapter 3. Right now I am solving the mystery of missing Teddy! I hope Teddy is ok!

\n

When they ask \"Show me the proof\", we can just click everything from the notebook (i.e. try multiple times). So what is a wrong answer? (i.e. do we need to get the answer on first response?) And if I finish all the chapters are there final questions at the end too?

", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2136587, "author_name": "Sanyam Bhutani", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-09T12:28:15.827000", "content": "

On a lighter note:

\n

The hosts are also taking Kagglers back to school πŸ™πŸ˜„

", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2136900, "author_name": "pjmathematician", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-09T16:05:39.413000", "content": "

Hi! I have posted a detailed analysis and walkthrough of the game including all the 18 questions and answers here https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/predict-student-performance-from-game-play/discussion/384796 it'll help!

", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2136979, "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-09T16:48:47.373000", "content": "

Thanks pjmathematician, this is very helpful. Does anyone know what is the definition of \"correct answer\" and \"incorrect answer\"? Because it seems that we cannot continue the game until we get a correct answer.

", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2136996, "author_name": "Robert Hatch", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-09T17:05:06.880000", "content": "

If all answers are in the notebook, then what is required to get it to show up in the notebook? Everything in the notebook is there from the start? Or it gets filled in automatically from mandatory events as you progress? Or it's possible to 'miss' an object or event, and thus not have the proof in your notebook?

\n

(Yes, I should just play the game, but it would be good to have this documented either way)

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2137025, "author_name": "pjmathematician", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-09T17:23:22.407000", "content": "

Jo Wilder (the main character of the game) takes notes as events happen in the notebook. And then in conclusion of every chapter, Jo answers the questions of her grandpa and the museum person by showing them the notes (quiz) from the notebook.
\nSo everything gets filled \"automatically\" in the notebook as the game progresses, and for this game, there is not a possibility of missing out any object.

", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2137033, "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-09T17:26:59.187000", "content": "
\n

If all answers are in the notebook, then what is required to get it to show up in the notebook?

\n
\n

We fill up the notebook by exploring and finding the items during gameplay. Once we find an item, it gets listed in the notebook. Then when we need to answer a question, we open the notebook and click one of the items in the notebook. (We can try to answer as many times as we want and can therefore just click everything in notebook one by one).

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2199660, "author_name": "Paul Johnson", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-03-27T23:12:43.600000", "content": "
\n

Does anyone know what is the definition of \"correct answer\" and \"incorrect answer\"?

\n
\n

Has anyone found an answer to this question? Not sure if I've missed it (apologies if so). I'm assuming it's probably a correct answer on first go, since you can't move on until you've given the correct answer, but wanted to double-check.

\n

Seems like it could have real implications for how you'd predict someone's performance!

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2199692, "author_name": "Thariq Nugrohotomo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-03-28T00:03:57.680000", "content": "
\n

A \"correct answer\" here indicates that the player got the answer correct on their first attempt.

\n
\n

Source: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/predict-student-performance-from-game-play/discussion/384801#2137152

", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2199704, "author_name": "Paul Johnson", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-03-28T00:39:45.540000", "content": "

Perfect! Figured I'd probably missed some mention of this somewhere. Thanks!

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] } ] }, { "id": 2135239, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-02-08T14:22:23.490000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2218149, "author_name": "Byungeun Hwang", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-04-11T13:15:46.383000", "content": "

Thanks for sharing the information

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "2132507": "Hi, \nI see we can play the title game [at this link](https://pbswisconsineducation.org/jowilder/play-the-game/).\n\nThe plot of the game: Play as Jo Wilder, a scrappy girl who spends her days with her pet badger Teddy and her grandpa, a historian. When some mysterious artifacts show up at the History Museum, you must unravel the clues to find the real stories behind the artifacts.\n\nIt seems that playing the game can be a useful step in understanding the problem and data and translate into better results πŸ€“\n\nSources: \nhttps://fielddaylab.wisc.edu/play/jowilder/ \nhttps://pbswisconsineducation.org/jowilder/about/\n", "2133448": "And the source code of the game is public! check it out here https://github.com/fielddaylab/jo_wilder", "2141413": "One of the first impressions after playing the game is that some of the answers can be ambigous.\nI think that to answer the question you don't really need to keep focus while playing the game. All answers can be answered well, just by looking into ingame notebook. I think that the most important thing for this competition is to identify types of person who plays the game, not the people attention.", "2141763": "Hey there! Thanks for sharing the information about the game \"Jo Wilder.\" It sounds like an interesting way to learn about history and problem-solving. Using gamification to understand and engage with a subject can be a fun and effective way to learn.", "2135723": "I just finished the game. It takes about 30 minutes and there are 5 chapters. You can try it out!", "2135239": "", "2218149": " Thanks for sharing the information" } }