Wanted to make sure, but if nothing submitted yet, then Dec 4th is last day to do so, in order to then have Dec 10th as final submission date? Decided late that I would enter competition, and thought I had till Dec 10th to submit; have not submitted anything yet. Supposed I just could have submitted a random entry. Is that all that's required for Dec 4th? Thanks.
\n\nSorry, to clarify, thought Dec 4th was for models that used pre-trained data only; implying for me that models that don't are to be uploaded on Dec10th.
", "messages": [ { "id": "253192", "postDate": "12/04/2017 15:39:49", "content": "Wanted to make sure, but if nothing submitted yet, then Dec 4th is last day to do so, in order to then have Dec 10th as final submission date? Decided late that I would enter competition, and thought I had till Dec 10th to submit; have not submitted anything yet. Supposed I just could have submitted a random entry. Is that all that's required for Dec 4th? Thanks.
\n\nSorry, to clarify, thought Dec 4th was for models that used pre-trained data only; implying for me that models that don't are to be uploaded on Dec10th.
", "rawMarkdown": "Wanted to make sure, but if nothing submitted yet, then Dec 4th is last day to do so, in order to then have Dec 10th as final submission date? Decided late that I would enter competition, and thought I had till Dec 10th to submit; have not submitted anything yet. Supposed I just could have submitted a random entry. Is that all that's required for Dec 4th? Thanks.\n\nSorry, to clarify, thought Dec 4th was for models that used pre-trained data only; implying for me that models that don't are to be uploaded on Dec10th.", "votes": null }, { "id": "253199", "postDate": "12/04/2017 15:50:56", "content": "That is correct. December 4th deadline is for declaring pre-trained models and external data used. The submission deadline is Dec 10.
", "rawMarkdown": "That is correct. December 4th deadline is for declaring pre-trained models and external data used. The submission deadline is Dec 10.", "votes": null }, { "id": "253242", "postDate": "12/04/2017 17:16:36", "content": "Thanks for reply. To be clear, since I asked a lot initially: So, if I have not submitted anything yet, and my model uses no external data & is not pre-trained then I can still submit on Dec 10th?
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for reply. To be clear, since I asked a lot initially: So, if I have not submitted anything yet, and my model uses no external data & is not pre-trained then I can still submit on Dec 10th?", "votes": null }, { "id": "253264", "postDate": "12/04/2017 17:49:37", "content": "If you're confident that you haven't made use of any work (i.e. source code) that isn't a result of your own efforts (I mean reasonably speaking -- we all know every programmer builds on countless other's backs), and you don't use any sources that aren't reasonably available to all contest participants, then you're absolutely correct.
\n\nYou have to declare any special sources of stuff like the weights of specific networks by today, but you can still keep developing your code until the 10th. I'm pretty sure that's totally correct information, but if I'm wrong, don't hold Kaggle responsible :)
\n\nOh... by reasonable, what I mean is \"you only used stuff you have the legal right to use.\" Copyrights, licenses, all that good stuff. My bad. When you think about all the tools you'd be useless without (the language, the compiler if applicable, the operating system, the hardware drivers, the hardware itself, the electricity, etc, etc., etc.), it's kind of a miracle we don't all get sued every day, haha.
\n\nFor example, NVIDIA's driver:
\n\n 1.1.2. Limited Purposes Licenses\nIf your license is provided for one of the purposes indicated below, then notwithstanding contrary terms in Section 1.1 or in a Supplement, such licenses are for internal use and do not include any right or license to sub-license and distribute the Licensed Software or its output in any way in any public release, however limited, and/or in any manner that provides third parties with use of or access to the Licensed Software or its functionality or output, including (but not limited to) external alpha or beta testing or development phases. Further:\n Evaluation License: You may use evaluation licenses solely for your internal evaluation of the Licensed Software for broader adoption within your Enterprise or in connection with a NVIDIA product purchase decision, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or ninety days from the date of download if no other duration is indicated).\n Educational/Academic License: You may use educational/academic licenses solely for educational purposes and all users must be enrolled or employed by an academic institution. If you do not meet NVIDIA’s academic program requirements for educational institutions, you have no rights under this license.\n Test/Development License. You may use test/development licenses solely for your internal development, testing and/or debugging of your software applications or for interoperability testing with the Licensed Software, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or one year from the date of download if no other duration is indicated). NVIDIA Confidential Information under the AGREEMENT includes output from Licensed Software developer tools identified as “Pro” versions, where the output reveals functionality or performance data pertinent to NVIDIA hardware or software products.
\n\nDo I have the right to submit something that trained on their hardware? Hell if I know, it's too goddamn complex -- so I think in terms of \"I'm really doing my best to do the right thing.\" But technically, that's not good enough, so it's on your head if I'm wrong :(
", "rawMarkdown": "If you're confident that you haven't made use of any work (i.e. source code) that isn't a result of your own efforts (I mean reasonably speaking -- we all know every programmer builds on countless other's backs), and you don't use any sources that aren't reasonably available to all contest participants, then you're absolutely correct.\n\nYou have to declare any special sources of stuff like the weights of specific networks by today, but you can still keep developing your code until the 10th. I'm pretty sure that's totally correct information, but if I'm wrong, don't hold Kaggle responsible :)\n\nOh... by reasonable, what I mean is \"you only used stuff you have the legal right to use.\" Copyrights, licenses, all that good stuff. My bad. When you think about all the tools you'd be useless without (the language, the compiler if applicable, the operating system, the hardware drivers, the hardware itself, the electricity, etc, etc., etc.), it's kind of a miracle we don't all get sued every day, haha.\n\nFor example, NVIDIA's driver:\n\n 1.1.2. Limited Purposes Licenses\nIf your license is provided for one of the purposes indicated below, then notwithstanding contrary terms in Section 1.1 or in a Supplement, such licenses are for internal use and do not include any right or license to sub-license and distribute the Licensed Software or its output in any way in any public release, however limited, and/or in any manner that provides third parties with use of or access to the Licensed Software or its functionality or output, including (but not limited to) external alpha or beta testing or development phases. Further:\n Evaluation License: You may use evaluation licenses solely for your internal evaluation of the Licensed Software for broader adoption within your Enterprise or in connection with a NVIDIA product purchase decision, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or ninety days from the date of download if no other duration is indicated).\n Educational/Academic License: You may use educational/academic licenses solely for educational purposes and all users must be enrolled or employed by an academic institution. If you do not meet NVIDIA’s academic program requirements for educational institutions, you have no rights under this license.\n Test/Development License. You may use test/development licenses solely for your internal development, testing and/or debugging of your software applications or for interoperability testing with the Licensed Software, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or one year from the date of download if no other duration is indicated). NVIDIA Confidential Information under the AGREEMENT includes output from Licensed Software developer tools identified as “Pro” versions, where the output reveals functionality or performance data pertinent to NVIDIA hardware or software products.\n\n\n\nDo I have the right to submit something that trained on their hardware? Hell if I know, it's too goddamn complex -- so I think in terms of \"I'm really doing my best to do the right thing.\" But technically, that's not good enough, so it's on your head if I'm wrong :(", "votes": null }, { "id": "253283", "postDate": "12/04/2017 18:08:19", "content": "Thanks for the clarification. I coded everything from scratch, no reused code. I was challenging myself, and wanted to try a new model type to see how it would perform against everyone else's. So, looks like I will just have enough time to possibly finish and submit model by Dec 10th.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for the clarification. I coded everything from scratch, no reused code. I was challenging myself, and wanted to try a new model type to see how it would perform against everyone else's. So, looks like I will just have enough time to possibly finish and submit model by Dec 10th.", "votes": null }, { "id": "253326", "postDate": "12/04/2017 19:42:49", "content": "I just noticed that today is also the rules acceptance deadline. Be absolutely sure you enroll in the competition within the next few hours! :)
", "rawMarkdown": "I just noticed that today is also the rules acceptance deadline. Be absolutely sure you enroll in the competition within the next few hours! :)", "votes": null }, { "id": "253740", "postDate": "12/05/2017 15:34:11", "content": "Cool, thanks. By agreeing to terms for data download is the same as enrolling, right?
", "rawMarkdown": "Cool, thanks. By agreeing to terms for data download is the same as enrolling, right?", "votes": null }, { "id": "253767", "postDate": "12/05/2017 16:20:46", "content": "Correct!
", "rawMarkdown": "Correct!", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 253199, "author_name": "addisonhoward", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/04/2017 15:50:56", "content": "That is correct. December 4th deadline is for declaring pre-trained models and external data used. The submission deadline is Dec 10.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 253242, "author_name": "srdhaeayautnon", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/04/2017 17:16:36", "content": "Thanks for reply. To be clear, since I asked a lot initially: So, if I have not submitted anything yet, and my model uses no external data & is not pre-trained then I can still submit on Dec 10th?
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 253264, "author_name": "mmiron", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/04/2017 17:49:37", "content": "If you're confident that you haven't made use of any work (i.e. source code) that isn't a result of your own efforts (I mean reasonably speaking -- we all know every programmer builds on countless other's backs), and you don't use any sources that aren't reasonably available to all contest participants, then you're absolutely correct.
\n\nYou have to declare any special sources of stuff like the weights of specific networks by today, but you can still keep developing your code until the 10th. I'm pretty sure that's totally correct information, but if I'm wrong, don't hold Kaggle responsible :)
\n\nOh... by reasonable, what I mean is \"you only used stuff you have the legal right to use.\" Copyrights, licenses, all that good stuff. My bad. When you think about all the tools you'd be useless without (the language, the compiler if applicable, the operating system, the hardware drivers, the hardware itself, the electricity, etc, etc., etc.), it's kind of a miracle we don't all get sued every day, haha.
\n\nFor example, NVIDIA's driver:
\n\n 1.1.2. Limited Purposes Licenses\nIf your license is provided for one of the purposes indicated below, then notwithstanding contrary terms in Section 1.1 or in a Supplement, such licenses are for internal use and do not include any right or license to sub-license and distribute the Licensed Software or its output in any way in any public release, however limited, and/or in any manner that provides third parties with use of or access to the Licensed Software or its functionality or output, including (but not limited to) external alpha or beta testing or development phases. Further:\n Evaluation License: You may use evaluation licenses solely for your internal evaluation of the Licensed Software for broader adoption within your Enterprise or in connection with a NVIDIA product purchase decision, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or ninety days from the date of download if no other duration is indicated).\n Educational/Academic License: You may use educational/academic licenses solely for educational purposes and all users must be enrolled or employed by an academic institution. If you do not meet NVIDIA’s academic program requirements for educational institutions, you have no rights under this license.\n Test/Development License. You may use test/development licenses solely for your internal development, testing and/or debugging of your software applications or for interoperability testing with the Licensed Software, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or one year from the date of download if no other duration is indicated). NVIDIA Confidential Information under the AGREEMENT includes output from Licensed Software developer tools identified as “Pro” versions, where the output reveals functionality or performance data pertinent to NVIDIA hardware or software products.
\n\nDo I have the right to submit something that trained on their hardware? Hell if I know, it's too goddamn complex -- so I think in terms of \"I'm really doing my best to do the right thing.\" But technically, that's not good enough, so it's on your head if I'm wrong :(
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 253283, "author_name": "srdhaeayautnon", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/04/2017 18:08:19", "content": "Thanks for the clarification. I coded everything from scratch, no reused code. I was challenging myself, and wanted to try a new model type to see how it would perform against everyone else's. So, looks like I will just have enough time to possibly finish and submit model by Dec 10th.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 253326, "author_name": "mmiron", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/04/2017 19:42:49", "content": "I just noticed that today is also the rules acceptance deadline. Be absolutely sure you enroll in the competition within the next few hours! :)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 253740, "author_name": "srdhaeayautnon", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/05/2017 15:34:11", "content": "Cool, thanks. By agreeing to terms for data download is the same as enrolling, right?
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 253767, "author_name": "addisonhoward", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/05/2017 16:20:46", "content": "Correct!
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "253192": "Wanted to make sure, but if nothing submitted yet, then Dec 4th is last day to do so, in order to then have Dec 10th as final submission date? Decided late that I would enter competition, and thought I had till Dec 10th to submit; have not submitted anything yet. Supposed I just could have submitted a random entry. Is that all that's required for Dec 4th? Thanks.\n\nSorry, to clarify, thought Dec 4th was for models that used pre-trained data only; implying for me that models that don't are to be uploaded on Dec10th.", "253199": "That is correct. December 4th deadline is for declaring pre-trained models and external data used. The submission deadline is Dec 10.", "253242": "Thanks for reply. To be clear, since I asked a lot initially: So, if I have not submitted anything yet, and my model uses no external data & is not pre-trained then I can still submit on Dec 10th?", "253264": "If you're confident that you haven't made use of any work (i.e. source code) that isn't a result of your own efforts (I mean reasonably speaking -- we all know every programmer builds on countless other's backs), and you don't use any sources that aren't reasonably available to all contest participants, then you're absolutely correct.\n\nYou have to declare any special sources of stuff like the weights of specific networks by today, but you can still keep developing your code until the 10th. I'm pretty sure that's totally correct information, but if I'm wrong, don't hold Kaggle responsible :)\n\nOh... by reasonable, what I mean is \"you only used stuff you have the legal right to use.\" Copyrights, licenses, all that good stuff. My bad. When you think about all the tools you'd be useless without (the language, the compiler if applicable, the operating system, the hardware drivers, the hardware itself, the electricity, etc, etc., etc.), it's kind of a miracle we don't all get sued every day, haha.\n\nFor example, NVIDIA's driver:\n\n 1.1.2. Limited Purposes Licenses\nIf your license is provided for one of the purposes indicated below, then notwithstanding contrary terms in Section 1.1 or in a Supplement, such licenses are for internal use and do not include any right or license to sub-license and distribute the Licensed Software or its output in any way in any public release, however limited, and/or in any manner that provides third parties with use of or access to the Licensed Software or its functionality or output, including (but not limited to) external alpha or beta testing or development phases. Further:\n Evaluation License: You may use evaluation licenses solely for your internal evaluation of the Licensed Software for broader adoption within your Enterprise or in connection with a NVIDIA product purchase decision, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or ninety days from the date of download if no other duration is indicated).\n Educational/Academic License: You may use educational/academic licenses solely for educational purposes and all users must be enrolled or employed by an academic institution. If you do not meet NVIDIA’s academic program requirements for educational institutions, you have no rights under this license.\n Test/Development License. You may use test/development licenses solely for your internal development, testing and/or debugging of your software applications or for interoperability testing with the Licensed Software, and such licenses have an expiration date as indicated by NVIDIA in its sole discretion (or one year from the date of download if no other duration is indicated). NVIDIA Confidential Information under the AGREEMENT includes output from Licensed Software developer tools identified as “Pro” versions, where the output reveals functionality or performance data pertinent to NVIDIA hardware or software products.\n\n\n\nDo I have the right to submit something that trained on their hardware? Hell if I know, it's too goddamn complex -- so I think in terms of \"I'm really doing my best to do the right thing.\" But technically, that's not good enough, so it's on your head if I'm wrong :(", "253283": "Thanks for the clarification. I coded everything from scratch, no reused code. I was challenging myself, and wanted to try a new model type to see how it would perform against everyone else's. So, looks like I will just have enough time to possibly finish and submit model by Dec 10th.", "253326": "I just noticed that today is also the rules acceptance deadline. Be absolutely sure you enroll in the competition within the next few hours! :)", "253740": "Cool, thanks. By agreeing to terms for data download is the same as enrolling, right?", "253767": "Correct!" }, "source": "meta" }