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  "id": 384852,
  "title": "Poteman and RunningZ removed from Kaggle",
  "url": "/competitions/otto-recommender-system/discussion/384852",
  "author_name": "Alvor",
  "post_date": "2023-02-09T19:35:43.581000",
  "votes": 49,
  "comment_count": 21,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F1562115%2Fcabf9d43ac0ee2b31ba8d311d769dec0%2FScreenshot%202023-02-09%20at%2020.33.52.png?generation=1675971322241143&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F1562115%2F29d2b512e1d27250da27087252bd96bf%2FScreenshot%202023-02-09%20at%2020.34.22.png?generation=1675971333580980&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>",
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    {
      "id": 2137188,
      "postDate": "2023-02-09T19:35:43.583Z",
      "content": "<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F1562115%2Fcabf9d43ac0ee2b31ba8d311d769dec0%2FScreenshot%202023-02-09%20at%2020.33.52.png?generation=1675971322241143&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F1562115%2F29d2b512e1d27250da27087252bd96bf%2FScreenshot%202023-02-09%20at%2020.34.22.png?generation=1675971333580980&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F1562115%2Fcabf9d43ac0ee2b31ba8d311d769dec0%2FScreenshot%202023-02-09%20at%2020.33.52.png?generation=1675971322241143&alt=media)\n\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F1562115%2F29d2b512e1d27250da27087252bd96bf%2FScreenshot%202023-02-09%20at%2020.34.22.png?generation=1675971333580980&alt=media)",
      "votes": 49
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    {
      "id": 2137617,
      "postDate": "2023-02-10T07:25:13.197Z",
      "content": "<p>This made my day.</p>\n<p>I feel sorry for his team mates, but evidence was strong enough this time to get a cheater removed.</p>\n<p>Well done Kaggle!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This made my day.\n\nI feel sorry for his team mates, but evidence was strong enough this time to get a cheater removed.\n\nWell done Kaggle!",
      "votes": 11
    },
    {
      "id": 2137363,
      "postDate": "2023-02-09T22:45:26.367Z",
      "content": "<p>Amazing work by your Team <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/allvor\" target=\"_blank\">@allvor</a>, I'm speechless<br>\nBy kicking poteman out of the community you should get a medal !!!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Amazing work by your Team @allvor, I'm speechless\nBy kicking poteman out of the community you should get a medal !!!",
      "votes": 9
    },
    {
      "id": 2137189,
      "postDate": "2023-02-09T19:37:07.937Z",
      "content": "<p>R.I.P 🪦<br>\nWe will never forget </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "R.I.P 🪦\nWe will never forget ",
      "votes": 10,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2137193,
          "postDate": "2023-02-09T19:39:37.970Z",
          "content": "<p>Is there any evidence to support this?</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Is there any evidence to support this?",
          "votes": 19,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2137290,
              "postDate": "2023-02-09T20:40:49.070Z",
              "content": "<p>They were atleast good data Scientists, who always wanted evidence to reject the null hypothesis </p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "They were atleast good data Scientists, who always wanted evidence to reject the null hypothesis ",
              "votes": 11
            },
            {
              "id": 2138030,
              "postDate": "2023-02-10T14:00:38.437Z",
              "content": "<p>lololololol</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "lololololol"
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2137930,
      "postDate": "2023-02-10T12:42:15.997Z",
      "content": "<p>Truly, this made me happier than my bronze medal.</p>\n<p>Kaggle is a better place without them.</p>\n<p>Congrats to kaggle and deep respect for those who faced risks and consequences to provide evidence.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Truly, this made me happier than my bronze medal.\n\nKaggle is a better place without them.\n\nCongrats to kaggle and deep respect for those who faced risks and consequences to provide evidence.",
      "votes": 3
    },
    {
      "id": 2147406,
      "postDate": "2023-02-16T15:40:10.007Z",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/allvor\" target=\"_blank\">@allvor</a> Man, I saw a lot of posts reporting these 2. I'm glad that Kaggle finally did something about the cheaters and bring fairness to the future competition</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "@allvor Man, I saw a lot of posts reporting these 2. I'm glad that Kaggle finally did something about the cheaters and bring fairness to the future competition",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 2139980,
      "postDate": "2023-02-11T10:40:55.033Z",
      "content": "<p>Great! Well done Kaggle!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Great! Well done Kaggle!",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 2141337,
      "postDate": "2023-02-12T16:56:03.080Z",
      "content": "<p>And why are the cheater's accounts hidden? I think, it would be better if they could be viewed even after the ban.</p>\n<p>But at least the RunningZ/Poteman was banned and likely will not spoil any more competitions.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "And why are the cheater's accounts hidden? I think, it would be better if they could be viewed even after the ban.\n\nBut at least the RunningZ/Poteman was banned and likely will not spoil any more competitions.",
      "votes": 2
    },
    {
      "id": 2138067,
      "postDate": "2023-02-10T14:20:36.707Z",
      "content": "<p>Result at the end:</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F4645853%2F093a358b7469a265433e141d30b335f9%2Fpoteman.png?generation=1676038814317285&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Result at the end:\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F4645853%2F093a358b7469a265433e141d30b335f9%2Fpoteman.png?generation=1676038814317285&alt=media)",
      "votes": 2
    },
    {
      "id": 2137229,
      "postDate": "2023-02-09T20:03:08.170Z",
      "content": "<p>Guess Makotu and friends were removed as well.  Hopefully the karma will be worth it.  AFAICT, they didn't use Poteman's work, but seems they have been removed anyways.    </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Guess Makotu and friends were removed as well.  Hopefully the karma will be worth it.  AFAICT, they didn't use Poteman's work, but seems they have been removed anyways.    ",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2137231,
          "postDate": "2023-02-09T20:05:58.060Z",
          "content": "<p>As a member of Makotu's team I can confirm that we were removed 😪. (From the competition, not from Kaggle). And yes, we can reproduce our final submission by 100%.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "As a member of Makotu's team I can confirm that we were removed 😪. (From the competition, not from Kaggle). And yes, we can reproduce our final submission by 100%.",
          "votes": 9,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2137233,
              "postDate": "2023-02-09T20:07:31.207Z",
              "content": "<p>Well, you folks obviously did the right thing.  Just wish you weren't punished for it.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Well, you folks obviously did the right thing.  Just wish you weren't punished for it.",
              "votes": 8
            },
            {
              "id": 2137538,
              "postDate": "2023-02-10T05:49:00.917Z",
              "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/otto-recommender-system/discussion/382753#2127426\" target=\"_blank\">I thought you classified it as slander and defamation?</a></p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "[I thought you classified it as slander and defamation?](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/otto-recommender-system/discussion/382753#2127426)",
              "votes": 1
            },
            {
              "id": 2137859,
              "postDate": "2023-02-10T11:36:40.553Z",
              "content": "<p>I am sure you did not use the cheater work, but from a kaggle point of view it is very hard to draw a line within team. There will always be a gray zone where ideas are communicated even if no code nor files are exchanged.</p>\n<p>It is a pity to be removed because a team mate was a cheater (I know, I experienced this, I got removed from gold zone), but it is great to have the cheater removed from Kaggle!</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "I am sure you did not use the cheater work, but from a kaggle point of view it is very hard to draw a line within team. There will always be a gray zone where ideas are communicated even if no code nor files are exchanged.\n\nIt is a pity to be removed because a team mate was a cheater (I know, I experienced this, I got removed from gold zone), but it is great to have the cheater removed from Kaggle!",
              "votes": 5
            },
            {
              "id": 2138032,
              "postDate": "2023-02-10T14:02:44.690Z",
              "rawMarkdown": "",
              "votes": -5,
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      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 3487304,
      "postDate": "2026-07-03T16:04:09.840Z",
      "content": "<p>good！kaggle！</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "good！kaggle！"
    },
    {
      "id": 2137435,
      "postDate": "2023-02-10T02:01:47.190Z",
      "content": "<p>👀 ummmm. and that happened</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "👀 ummmm. and that happened"
    },
    {
      "id": 2137429,
      "postDate": "2023-02-10T01:46:12.663Z",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "isDeleted": true
    },
    {
      "id": 2137348,
      "postDate": "2023-02-09T22:15:29.887Z",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": 1,
      "isDeleted": true
    }
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  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2137617,
      "author_name": "CPMP",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-10T07:25:13.197000",
      "content": "<p>This made my day.</p>\n<p>I feel sorry for his team mates, but evidence was strong enough this time to get a cheater removed.</p>\n<p>Well done Kaggle!</p>",
      "votes": 11,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2137363,
      "author_name": "Wojtek Rosa",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-09T22:45:26.367000",
      "content": "<p>Amazing work by your Team <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/allvor\" target=\"_blank\">@allvor</a>, I'm speechless<br>\nBy kicking poteman out of the community you should get a medal !!!</p>",
      "votes": 9,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2137189,
      "author_name": "ONODERA",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-09T19:37:07.937000",
      "content": "<p>R.I.P 🪦<br>\nWe will never forget </p>",
      "votes": 10,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2137193,
          "author_name": "Alvor",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-02-09T19:39:37.970000",
          "content": "<p>Is there any evidence to support this?</p>",
          "votes": 19,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2137290,
              "author_name": "NikhilMishra",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-09T20:40:49.070000",
              "content": "<p>They were atleast good data Scientists, who always wanted evidence to reject the null hypothesis </p>",
              "votes": 11,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2138030,
              "author_name": "El Conde de Ñáñaño",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-10T14:00:38.437000",
              "content": "<p>lololololol</p>",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2137930,
      "author_name": "HinePo",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-10T12:42:15.997000",
      "content": "<p>Truly, this made me happier than my bronze medal.</p>\n<p>Kaggle is a better place without them.</p>\n<p>Congrats to kaggle and deep respect for those who faced risks and consequences to provide evidence.</p>",
      "votes": 3,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2147406,
      "author_name": "Minh T. Nguyen",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-16T15:40:10.007000",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/allvor\" target=\"_blank\">@allvor</a> Man, I saw a lot of posts reporting these 2. I'm glad that Kaggle finally did something about the cheaters and bring fairness to the future competition</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2139980,
      "author_name": "Bruce",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-11T10:40:55.033000",
      "content": "<p>Great! Well done Kaggle!</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2141337,
      "author_name": "Artem Fedorov",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-12T16:56:03.080000",
      "content": "<p>And why are the cheater's accounts hidden? I think, it would be better if they could be viewed even after the ban.</p>\n<p>But at least the RunningZ/Poteman was banned and likely will not spoil any more competitions.</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2138067,
      "author_name": "Ali Abdin",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-10T14:20:36.707000",
      "content": "<p>Result at the end:</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F4645853%2F093a358b7469a265433e141d30b335f9%2Fpoteman.png?generation=1676038814317285&amp;alt=media\" alt=\"\"></p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2137229,
      "author_name": "@kaggleqrdl",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-09T20:03:08.170000",
      "content": "<p>Guess Makotu and friends were removed as well.  Hopefully the karma will be worth it.  AFAICT, they didn't use Poteman's work, but seems they have been removed anyways.    </p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2137231,
          "author_name": "Alvor",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-02-09T20:05:58.060000",
          "content": "<p>As a member of Makotu's team I can confirm that we were removed 😪. (From the competition, not from Kaggle). And yes, we can reproduce our final submission by 100%.</p>",
          "votes": 9,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2137233,
              "author_name": "@kaggleqrdl",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-09T20:07:31.207000",
              "content": "<p>Well, you folks obviously did the right thing.  Just wish you weren't punished for it.</p>",
              "votes": 8,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2137538,
              "author_name": "Gilles Vandewiele",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-10T05:49:00.917000",
              "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/otto-recommender-system/discussion/382753#2127426\" target=\"_blank\">I thought you classified it as slander and defamation?</a></p>",
              "votes": 1,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2137859,
              "author_name": "CPMP",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-10T11:36:40.553000",
              "content": "<p>I am sure you did not use the cheater work, but from a kaggle point of view it is very hard to draw a line within team. There will always be a gray zone where ideas are communicated even if no code nor files are exchanged.</p>\n<p>It is a pity to be removed because a team mate was a cheater (I know, I experienced this, I got removed from gold zone), but it is great to have the cheater removed from Kaggle!</p>",
              "votes": 5,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2138032,
              "author_name": "",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-10T14:02:44.690000",
              "content": "",
              "votes": -5,
              "replies": []
            }
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      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 3487304,
      "author_name": "SpeedSci",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2026-07-03T16:04:09.840000",
      "content": "<p>good！kaggle！</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2137435,
      "author_name": "Rezaul Islam",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-10T02:01:47.190000",
      "content": "<p>👀 ummmm. and that happened</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2137429,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-10T01:46:12.663000",
      "content": "",
      "votes": 0,
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      "id": 2137348,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-09T22:15:29.887000",
      "content": "",
      "votes": 1,
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    "2137617": "This made my day.\n\nI feel sorry for his team mates, but evidence was strong enough this time to get a cheater removed.\n\nWell done Kaggle!",
    "2137363": "Amazing work by your Team @allvor, I'm speechless\nBy kicking poteman out of the community you should get a medal !!!",
    "2137189": "R.I.P 🪦\nWe will never forget ",
    "2137930": "Truly, this made me happier than my bronze medal.\n\nKaggle is a better place without them.\n\nCongrats to kaggle and deep respect for those who faced risks and consequences to provide evidence.",
    "2147406": "@allvor Man, I saw a lot of posts reporting these 2. I'm glad that Kaggle finally did something about the cheaters and bring fairness to the future competition",
    "2139980": "Great! Well done Kaggle!",
    "2141337": "And why are the cheater's accounts hidden? I think, it would be better if they could be viewed even after the ban.\n\nBut at least the RunningZ/Poteman was banned and likely will not spoil any more competitions.",
    "2138067": "Result at the end:\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F4645853%2F093a358b7469a265433e141d30b335f9%2Fpoteman.png?generation=1676038814317285&alt=media)",
    "2137229": "Guess Makotu and friends were removed as well.  Hopefully the karma will be worth it.  AFAICT, they didn't use Poteman's work, but seems they have been removed anyways.    ",
    "3487304": "good！kaggle！",
    "2137435": "👀 ummmm. and that happened",
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