{
  "id": 382782,
  "title": "Organized cheating again",
  "url": "/competitions/otto-recommender-system/discussion/382782",
  "author_name": "ForcewithMe",
  "post_date": "2023-02-01T01:43:31.727000",
  "votes": 41,
  "comment_count": 15,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>As I have <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-multimodal/discussion/366313\" target=\"_blank\">reported before</a>, some people are selling medals on Chinese social media. And there have been so many reports about these issues in these competitions. Here is some search result in Xiaohongshu.</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/bMAYQA5L.png\" alt=\"1.png\"><br>\n<img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/d3TV2ZL4.jpg\" alt=\"2.jpg\"><br>\n<img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/LKStEtLH.png\" alt=\"3.png\"><br>\n<img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/451DDdJ7.png\" alt=\"4.png\"></p>\n<p>Note: the first pictures and the last 3 pictures are different issues. The first pictures claimed that 'A master in Prize Contender can accept some novice in his team', which may not be banned by kaggle rules about 'private sharing outside the team', but is a bad behaviour. The last 3 pictures just selling the medals again.</p>\n<p>Otto is an amazing competition. I am a novice at Recomender System and learned a lot from this. Hope all the honest participants can get what he expects.</p>\n<p>links of XiaoHongshu<br>\n<a href=\"http://xhslink.com/ij7g2m\" target=\"_blank\">First picture</a><br>\n<a href=\"http://xhslink.com/Ow6g2m\" target=\"_blank\">2nd 3rd pictures</a><br>\n<a href=\"http://xhslink.com/DO4g2m\" target=\"_blank\">4th picture</a></p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": 2124410,
      "postDate": "2023-02-01T01:43:31.727Z",
      "content": "<p>As I have <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-multimodal/discussion/366313\" target=\"_blank\">reported before</a>, some people are selling medals on Chinese social media. And there have been so many reports about these issues in these competitions. Here is some search result in Xiaohongshu.</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/bMAYQA5L.png\" alt=\"1.png\"><br>\n<img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/d3TV2ZL4.jpg\" alt=\"2.jpg\"><br>\n<img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/LKStEtLH.png\" alt=\"3.png\"><br>\n<img src=\"https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/451DDdJ7.png\" alt=\"4.png\"></p>\n<p>Note: the first pictures and the last 3 pictures are different issues. The first pictures claimed that 'A master in Prize Contender can accept some novice in his team', which may not be banned by kaggle rules about 'private sharing outside the team', but is a bad behaviour. The last 3 pictures just selling the medals again.</p>\n<p>Otto is an amazing competition. I am a novice at Recomender System and learned a lot from this. Hope all the honest participants can get what he expects.</p>\n<p>links of XiaoHongshu<br>\n<a href=\"http://xhslink.com/ij7g2m\" target=\"_blank\">First picture</a><br>\n<a href=\"http://xhslink.com/Ow6g2m\" target=\"_blank\">2nd 3rd pictures</a><br>\n<a href=\"http://xhslink.com/DO4g2m\" target=\"_blank\">4th picture</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "As I have [reported before](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-multimodal/discussion/366313), some people are selling medals on Chinese social media. And there have been so many reports about these issues in these competitions. Here is some search result in Xiaohongshu.\n\n![1.png](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/bMAYQA5L.png)\n![2.jpg](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/d3TV2ZL4.jpg)\n![3.png](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/LKStEtLH.png)\n![4.png](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/451DDdJ7.png)\n\nNote: the first pictures and the last 3 pictures are different issues. The first pictures claimed that 'A master in Prize Contender can accept some novice in his team', which may not be banned by kaggle rules about 'private sharing outside the team', but is a bad behaviour. The last 3 pictures just selling the medals again.\n\nOtto is an amazing competition. I am a novice at Recomender System and learned a lot from this. Hope all the honest participants can get what he expects.\n\n links of XiaoHongshu\n[First picture](http://xhslink.com/ij7g2m)\n[2nd 3rd pictures](http://xhslink.com/Ow6g2m)\n[4th picture](http://xhslink.com/DO4g2m)",
      "votes": 41
    },
    {
      "id": 2125867,
      "postDate": "2023-02-02T00:33:22.903Z",
      "content": "<p>This is demoralizing. I guess some have probably left the platform because of this. and probably with time those medals would weigh no value if the practice continue. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This is demoralizing. I guess some have probably left the platform because of this. and probably with time those medals would weigh no value if the practice continue. ",
      "votes": 3
    },
    {
      "id": 2124469,
      "postDate": "2023-02-01T02:54:28.843Z",
      "content": "<p>That's unfair to those who followed the rules, but it's quite hard to tell who is cheating, they don't verify every solution after all.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "That's unfair to those who followed the rules, but it's quite hard to tell who is cheating, they don't verify every solution after all.",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2124614,
          "postDate": "2023-02-01T05:16:21.033Z",
          "content": "<p>They will verify all submissions, but won’t verify the code</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "They will verify all submissions, but won’t verify the code",
          "votes": 1
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2124416,
      "postDate": "2023-02-01T01:50:57.887Z",
      "content": "<p>Nowadays, there's medal selling for every Kaggle competition… </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Nowadays, there's medal selling for every Kaggle competition... ",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2124429,
          "postDate": "2023-02-01T01:59:52.177Z",
          "content": "<p>Yes, some competitions has less cheaters, this kind of competitions have so many</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Yes, some competitions has less cheaters, this kind of competitions have so many",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2124545,
              "postDate": "2023-02-01T04:17:26.487Z",
              "content": "<p>Non-code competitions always attract more cheaters.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Non-code competitions always attract more cheaters.",
              "votes": 2
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2126219,
      "postDate": "2023-02-02T06:12:12.720Z",
      "content": "<p>This is terrible.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This is terrible."
    },
    {
      "id": 2125634,
      "postDate": "2023-02-01T18:54:37.790Z",
      "content": "<p>Oh my. That's bad and unfair. I have no words to say about this scenario. Thus, why did a lot of Kagglers sell their medals in every Kaggle Competition?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Oh my. That's bad and unfair. I have no words to say about this scenario. Thus, why did a lot of Kagglers sell their medals in every Kaggle Competition?",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2125891,
          "postDate": "2023-02-02T01:15:20.090Z",
          "content": "<p>No, I don't think there are 'a lot' kagglers to sell their medals.  For example, there are 100,000 kagglers and 100 sellers. kagglers won't participate in every competition. But sellers will join as many competitions as possible to make money. If 20 sellers join in one competition, and each of them has 2-3 teams, you will see a huge number of suspicous teams on the leaderboard. But 100/100,100 is a tiny part of all kagglers.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "No, I don't think there are 'a lot' kagglers to sell their medals.  For example, there are 100,000 kagglers and 100 sellers. kagglers won't participate in every competition. But sellers will join as many competitions as possible to make money. If 20 sellers join in one competition, and each of them has 2-3 teams, you will see a huge number of suspicous teams on the leaderboard. But 100/100,100 is a tiny part of all kagglers.",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2125899,
              "postDate": "2023-02-02T01:27:32.540Z",
              "content": "<p>I see. But, will they be punished by the Kaggle Staff after they cheat in every competition by selling medals?</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "I see. But, will they be punished by the Kaggle Staff after they cheat in every competition by selling medals?"
            },
            {
              "id": 2125905,
              "postDate": "2023-02-02T01:39:29.160Z",
              "content": "<p>Yes. It results in an automatic account ban for any accounts associated with selling/buying.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Yes. It results in an automatic account ban for any accounts associated with selling/buying.",
              "votes": 9
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2124541,
      "postDate": "2023-02-01T04:16:51.543Z",
      "content": "<p>Is there any way to expose them?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Is there any way to expose them?",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2124923,
          "postDate": "2023-02-01T09:56:55.023Z",
          "content": "<p>Unfortunately, It’s almost impossible to build relationship between the accounts on social media and those on kaggle, unless they post their real information online.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Unfortunately, It’s almost impossible to build relationship between the accounts on social media and those on kaggle, unless they post their real information online."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2127373,
      "postDate": "2023-02-02T20:54:57.020Z",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": 1,
      "isDeleted": true,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2127405,
          "postDate": "2023-02-02T21:27:41.640Z",
          "content": "<p>That post will be useful for all of the kagglers!</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "That post will be useful for all of the kagglers!"
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2125867,
      "author_name": "Ahmed Eltom",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-02T00:33:22.903000",
      "content": "<p>This is demoralizing. I guess some have probably left the platform because of this. and probably with time those medals would weigh no value if the practice continue. </p>",
      "votes": 3,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2124469,
      "author_name": "Kellen Xu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-01T02:54:28.843000",
      "content": "<p>That's unfair to those who followed the rules, but it's quite hard to tell who is cheating, they don't verify every solution after all.</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2124614,
          "author_name": "ForcewithMe",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-02-01T05:16:21.033000",
          "content": "<p>They will verify all submissions, but won’t verify the code</p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2124416,
      "author_name": "HNing",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-01T01:50:57.887000",
      "content": "<p>Nowadays, there's medal selling for every Kaggle competition… </p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2124429,
          "author_name": "ForcewithMe",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-02-01T01:59:52.177000",
          "content": "<p>Yes, some competitions has less cheaters, this kind of competitions have so many</p>",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2124545,
              "author_name": "Gunes Evitan",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-01T04:17:26.487000",
              "content": "<p>Non-code competitions always attract more cheaters.</p>",
              "votes": 2,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2126219,
      "author_name": "Hassan Abedi",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-02T06:12:12.720000",
      "content": "<p>This is terrible.</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2125634,
      "author_name": "Dino Wun",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-01T18:54:37.790000",
      "content": "<p>Oh my. That's bad and unfair. I have no words to say about this scenario. Thus, why did a lot of Kagglers sell their medals in every Kaggle Competition?</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2125891,
          "author_name": "ForcewithMe",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-02-02T01:15:20.090000",
          "content": "<p>No, I don't think there are 'a lot' kagglers to sell their medals.  For example, there are 100,000 kagglers and 100 sellers. kagglers won't participate in every competition. But sellers will join as many competitions as possible to make money. If 20 sellers join in one competition, and each of them has 2-3 teams, you will see a huge number of suspicous teams on the leaderboard. But 100/100,100 is a tiny part of all kagglers.</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2125899,
              "author_name": "Dino Wun",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-02T01:27:32.540000",
              "content": "<p>I see. But, will they be punished by the Kaggle Staff after they cheat in every competition by selling medals?</p>",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2125905,
              "author_name": "inversion",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2023-02-02T01:39:29.160000",
              "content": "<p>Yes. It results in an automatic account ban for any accounts associated with selling/buying.</p>",
              "votes": 9,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2124541,
      "author_name": "Gunes Evitan",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-01T04:16:51.543000",
      "content": "<p>Is there any way to expose them?</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2124923,
          "author_name": "ForcewithMe",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-02-01T09:56:55.023000",
          "content": "<p>Unfortunately, It’s almost impossible to build relationship between the accounts on social media and those on kaggle, unless they post their real information online.</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2127373,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2023-02-02T20:54:57.020000",
      "content": "",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2127405,
          "author_name": "Dino Wun",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2023-02-02T21:27:41.640000",
          "content": "<p>That post will be useful for all of the kagglers!</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "raw_markdown_by_id": {
    "2124410": "As I have [reported before](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-multimodal/discussion/366313), some people are selling medals on Chinese social media. And there have been so many reports about these issues in these competitions. Here is some search result in Xiaohongshu.\n\n![1.png](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/bMAYQA5L.png)\n![2.jpg](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/d3TV2ZL4.jpg)\n![3.png](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/LKStEtLH.png)\n![4.png](https://img1.imgtp.com/2023/02/01/451DDdJ7.png)\n\nNote: the first pictures and the last 3 pictures are different issues. The first pictures claimed that 'A master in Prize Contender can accept some novice in his team', which may not be banned by kaggle rules about 'private sharing outside the team', but is a bad behaviour. The last 3 pictures just selling the medals again.\n\nOtto is an amazing competition. I am a novice at Recomender System and learned a lot from this. Hope all the honest participants can get what he expects.\n\n links of XiaoHongshu\n[First picture](http://xhslink.com/ij7g2m)\n[2nd 3rd pictures](http://xhslink.com/Ow6g2m)\n[4th picture](http://xhslink.com/DO4g2m)",
    "2125867": "This is demoralizing. I guess some have probably left the platform because of this. and probably with time those medals would weigh no value if the practice continue. ",
    "2124469": "That's unfair to those who followed the rules, but it's quite hard to tell who is cheating, they don't verify every solution after all.",
    "2124416": "Nowadays, there's medal selling for every Kaggle competition... ",
    "2126219": "This is terrible.",
    "2125634": "Oh my. That's bad and unfair. I have no words to say about this scenario. Thus, why did a lot of Kagglers sell their medals in every Kaggle Competition?",
    "2124541": "Is there any way to expose them?",
    "2127373": ""
  }
}