{ "id": 444949, "title": "Team size limit", "url": "/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/discussion/444949", "author_name": "", "post_date": "2023-10-04T12:06:43.518273900Z", "votes": 5, "comment_count": 7, "views": 0, "content": "

Hello!

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Thank you to all the organisers for setup up the competition. It seems extremely interesting.

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Is there any particular reason, why the team sizes are limited to 5 people?
\nIs there any chance of slightly lifting the limit to say 7 people?

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I work with a bigger group of people who would love to contribute to our team work. I feel really bad saying \"no\" to them, because of a team limit size which feels a bit arbitrary. I know that the Kaggle community have put some thought into it. However the challenge is also a part of the NeurIPS competition track and in the academic world it is quite standard to have a bigger number of people contributing to a project (e.g. a publication).

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Thanks!

", "messages": [ { "id": "2467278", "postDate": "10/04/2023 12:06:43", "content": "

Hello!

\n

Thank you to all the organisers for setup up the competition. It seems extremely interesting.

\n

Is there any particular reason, why the team sizes are limited to 5 people?
\nIs there any chance of slightly lifting the limit to say 7 people?

\n

I work with a bigger group of people who would love to contribute to our team work. I feel really bad saying \"no\" to them, because of a team limit size which feels a bit arbitrary. I know that the Kaggle community have put some thought into it. However the challenge is also a part of the NeurIPS competition track and in the academic world it is quite standard to have a bigger number of people contributing to a project (e.g. a publication).

\n

Thanks!

", "rawMarkdown": "Hello!\n\nThank you to all the organisers for setup up the competition. It seems extremely interesting.\n\nIs there any particular reason, why the team sizes are limited to 5 people?\nIs there any chance of slightly lifting the limit to say 7 people?\n\nI work with a bigger group of people who would love to contribute to our team work. I feel really bad saying \"no\" to them, because of a team limit size which feels a bit arbitrary. I know that the Kaggle community have [put some thought ](https://www.kaggle.com/code/gaborfodor/ideal-team-size-limit-is-five) into it. However the challenge is also a part of the NeurIPS competition track and in the academic world it is quite standard to have a bigger number of people contributing to a project (e.g. a publication).\n\nThanks!", "votes": null }, { "id": "2469462", "postDate": "10/06/2023 11:17:56", "content": "

@ashleychow @homesmac would you able to provide any clarification on the team size limit?
\nI have asked about it during the zoom call, but Daniel said that this is something that only people from Kaggle could potentially change.

", "rawMarkdown": "ashleychow @homesmac would you able to provide any clarification on the team size limit?\nI have asked about it during the zoom call, but Daniel said that this is something that only people from Kaggle could potentially change.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2469583", "postDate": "10/06/2023 13:05:46", "content": "

Been here for half dozen years - team size comes up on occasion. Think this is the last kaggle post on topic.

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https://www.kaggle.com/discussions/general/78433

", "rawMarkdown": "Been here for half dozen years - team size comes up on occasion. Think this is the last kaggle post on topic.\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/discussions/general/78433", "votes": null }, { "id": "2472613", "postDate": "10/07/2023 13:13:27", "content": "

Thanks for the link!

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I remember participating in competition that did not have this rule - exactly half dozen years ago. I was not active since.

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we have decided to reduce the new default maximum team size to five

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I have nothing against the fact that a default competition has this team size limit. But I do feel that as this is also a competition track for a scientific conference (NeurIPS), I don't think that the default value should apply here.

", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for the link!\n\nI remember participating in competition that did not have this rule - exactly half dozen years ago. I was not active since.\n\n> we have decided to reduce the new default maximum team size to five\n\nI have nothing against the fact that a default competition has this team size limit. But I do feel that as this is also a competition track for a scientific conference (NeurIPS), I don't think that the default value should apply here.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2472634", "postDate": "10/07/2023 13:31:32", "content": "

Agree to some extent but the $100,000 in prize money leads to some of the issues discussed back in time with regards to fairness of a single person in competition with a football size team.

", "rawMarkdown": "Agree to some extent but the $100,000 in prize money leads to some of the issues discussed back in time with regards to fairness of a single person in competition with a football size team.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2474423", "postDate": "10/09/2023 07:54:16", "content": "

I see your point.
\nI guess there is a trade-off between a fair competition for individuals and the highest chance of pushing the state-of-the-art in this important research problem. I focus solely on the latter one.

", "rawMarkdown": "I see your point.\nI guess there is a trade-off between a fair competition for individuals and the highest chance of pushing the state-of-the-art in this important research problem. I focus solely on the latter one.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2474755", "postDate": "10/09/2023 12:44:29", "content": "

People from different teams can share ideas,
\nthe only point of the rules to do it publicly not privately,
\nso for \"pushing the state-of-the-art in this important research problem\" point of view,
\nwe can share ideas here on Kaggle forum or e.g. in zoom, but e.g. recording and giving link to such kind of things - that what I am trying to do.

", "rawMarkdown": "People from different teams can share ideas,\nthe only point of the rules to do it publicly not privately,\nso for \"pushing the state-of-the-art in this important research problem\" point of view,\nwe can share ideas here on Kaggle forum or e.g. in zoom, but e.g. recording and giving link to such kind of things - that what I am trying to do.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2478900", "postDate": "10/12/2023 09:05:11", "content": "

Alexander, thank you for you perspective.

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Sharing preliminary results is not always easy due to IP concerns. I'm glad that not everyone need to worry about it :-)

", "rawMarkdown": "Alexander, thank you for you perspective.\n\nSharing preliminary results is not always easy due to IP concerns. I'm glad that not everyone need to worry about it :-)", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 2469462, "author_name": "blazej0", "author_url": "", "post_date": "10/06/2023 11:17:56", "content": "

@ashleychow @homesmac would you able to provide any clarification on the team size limit?
\nI have asked about it during the zoom call, but Daniel said that this is something that only people from Kaggle could potentially change.

", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2469583, "author_name": "pcjimmmy", "author_url": "", "post_date": "10/06/2023 13:05:46", "content": "

Been here for half dozen years - team size comes up on occasion. Think this is the last kaggle post on topic.

\n

https://www.kaggle.com/discussions/general/78433

", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 2472613, "author_name": "blazej0", "author_url": "", "post_date": "10/07/2023 13:13:27", "content": "

Thanks for the link!

\n

I remember participating in competition that did not have this rule - exactly half dozen years ago. I was not active since.

\n
\n

we have decided to reduce the new default maximum team size to five

\n
\n

I have nothing against the fact that a default competition has this team size limit. But I do feel that as this is also a competition track for a scientific conference (NeurIPS), I don't think that the default value should apply here.

", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 2472634, "author_name": "pcjimmmy", "author_url": "", "post_date": "10/07/2023 13:31:32", "content": "

Agree to some extent but the $100,000 in prize money leads to some of the issues discussed back in time with regards to fairness of a single person in competition with a football size team.

", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 2474423, "author_name": "blazej0", "author_url": "", "post_date": "10/09/2023 07:54:16", "content": "

I see your point.
\nI guess there is a trade-off between a fair competition for individuals and the highest chance of pushing the state-of-the-art in this important research problem. I focus solely on the latter one.

", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 2474755, "author_name": "alexandervc", "author_url": "", "post_date": "10/09/2023 12:44:29", "content": "

People from different teams can share ideas,
\nthe only point of the rules to do it publicly not privately,
\nso for \"pushing the state-of-the-art in this important research problem\" point of view,
\nwe can share ideas here on Kaggle forum or e.g. in zoom, but e.g. recording and giving link to such kind of things - that what I am trying to do.

", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 2478900, "author_name": "blazej0", "author_url": "", "post_date": "10/12/2023 09:05:11", "content": "

Alexander, thank you for you perspective.

\n

Sharing preliminary results is not always easy due to IP concerns. I'm glad that not everyone need to worry about it :-)

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