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  "id": 440553,
  "title": "Regarding external model and dataset use",
  "url": "/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/discussion/440553",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2023-09-15T11:23:20.018710800Z",
  "votes": 3,
  "comment_count": 9,
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  "content": "<p>Thanks to the competition hosts for organizing this competition.</p>\n<p>I wanted to know if there are any licensing and other restrictions with respect to other sources of data, existing models, etc. that should be taken into account for the submissions, as this detail is not described in the competition description.</p>",
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    {
      "id": "2440237",
      "postDate": "09/15/2023 11:23:20",
      "content": "<p>Thanks to the competition hosts for organizing this competition.</p>\n<p>I wanted to know if there are any licensing and other restrictions with respect to other sources of data, existing models, etc. that should be taken into account for the submissions, as this detail is not described in the competition description.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks to the competition hosts for organizing this competition.\n\nI wanted to know if there are any licensing and other restrictions with respect to other sources of data, existing models, etc. that should be taken into account for the submissions, as this detail is not described in the competition description.",
      "votes": null
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    {
      "id": "2440939",
      "postDate": "09/15/2023 20:26:37",
      "content": "<p>You can find more information in the Rules (<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/rules\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/rules</a>)</p>\n<p>Is there a specific question you have?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "You can find more information in the Rules (https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/rules)\n\nIs there a specific question you have?",
      "votes": null
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    {
      "id": "2441966",
      "postDate": "09/16/2023 15:41:14",
      "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/danielburkhardt\" target=\"_blank\">@danielburkhardt</a>, thanks for the response. </p>\n<p>My main concern is regarding additional data usage: are there any restrictions or can we employ any datasets in addition to the ones provided for the competition?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi @danielburkhardt, thanks for the response. \n\nMy main concern is regarding additional data usage: are there any restrictions or can we employ any datasets in addition to the ones provided for the competition?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2442110",
      "postDate": "09/16/2023 18:08:34",
      "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/asarvazyan\" target=\"_blank\">@asarvazyan</a>, this is specified in the rules under the header “External Data”. Let me know if any of that is confusing! </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi @asarvazyan, this is specified in the rules under the header “External Data”. Let me know if any of that is confusing!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2442263",
      "postDate": "09/16/2023 20:54:06",
      "content": "<p>Thank you! It must not have caught my eye.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thank you! It must not have caught my eye.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2443922",
      "postDate": "09/18/2023 05:05:43",
      "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/danielburkhardt\" target=\"_blank\">@danielburkhardt</a>, thanks for the response.</p>\n<p>We have an in-house database, and the data sources for this database are publicly accessible.  We would like to inquire whether using this database would be in violation of the competition rules.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi @danielburkhardt, thanks for the response.\n\nWe have an in-house database, and the data sources for this database are publicly accessible.  We would like to inquire whether using this database would be in violation of the competition rules.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2444940",
      "postDate": "09/18/2023 14:48:49",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/nancy1023\" target=\"_blank\">@nancy1023</a> this is fine, as long as you meet the following criteria:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your Submissions. <strong>However, you will ensure the External Data is publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants of the Competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants.</strong> The ability to use External Data under this Section 7.C (External Data) does not limit your other obligations under these Competition Rules, including but not limited to Section 11 (Winners Obligations). </p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>Can you provide a link to the data? Ideally, it would be great if you could create a Kaggle notebook showing how to load the data. I'm sure <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/ryanholbrook\" target=\"_blank\">@ryanholbrook</a> can help with any questions you have there.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "nancy1023 this is fine, as long as you meet the following criteria:\n\n> C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your Submissions. **However, you will ensure the External Data is publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants of the Competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants.** The ability to use External Data under this Section 7.C (External Data) does not limit your other obligations under these Competition Rules, including but not limited to Section 11 (Winners Obligations). \n\nCan you provide a link to the data? Ideally, it would be great if you could create a Kaggle notebook showing how to load the data. I'm sure @ryanholbrook can help with any questions you have there.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2445897",
      "postDate": "09/19/2023 06:25:29",
      "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/danielburkhardt\" target=\"_blank\">@danielburkhardt</a>, thanks for the response.</p>\n<p>The link of the database has not been published yet, can we provide a table that includes the links for each dataset in the database? Would this be feasible?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi @danielburkhardt, thanks for the response.\n\nThe link of the database has not been published yet, can we provide a table that includes the links for each dataset in the database? Would this be feasible?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2446690",
      "postDate": "09/19/2023 14:48:09",
      "content": "<p>Can you please comment more on what is included in the database? Did you aggregate a number of individually-available public single-cell datasets into a single database? Did you augment the data in any way?</p>\n<p>Without understanding exactly what the external data is, it's hard to judge if it is \"publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants.\" </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Can you please comment more on what is included in the database? Did you aggregate a number of individually-available public single-cell datasets into a single database? Did you augment the data in any way?\n\nWithout understanding exactly what the external data is, it's hard to judge if it is \"publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants.\"",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2447277",
      "postDate": "09/20/2023 01:27:38",
      "content": "<p>Sure, we mined the count matrices from GEO and standardized the storage formats without further augmentation or any other processing.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Sure, we mined the count matrices from GEO and standardized the storage formats without further augmentation or any other processing.",
      "votes": null
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    {
      "id": 2440939,
      "author_name": "danielburkhardt",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "09/15/2023 20:26:37",
      "content": "<p>You can find more information in the Rules (<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/rules\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/rules</a>)</p>\n<p>Is there a specific question you have?</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2441966,
          "author_name": "asarvazyan",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/16/2023 15:41:14",
          "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/danielburkhardt\" target=\"_blank\">@danielburkhardt</a>, thanks for the response. </p>\n<p>My main concern is regarding additional data usage: are there any restrictions or can we employ any datasets in addition to the ones provided for the competition?</p>",
          "votes": null,
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              "id": 2442110,
              "author_name": "danielburkhardt",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "09/16/2023 18:08:34",
              "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/asarvazyan\" target=\"_blank\">@asarvazyan</a>, this is specified in the rules under the header “External Data”. Let me know if any of that is confusing! </p>",
              "votes": null,
              "replies": [
                {
                  "id": 2442263,
                  "author_name": "asarvazyan",
                  "author_url": "",
                  "post_date": "09/16/2023 20:54:06",
                  "content": "<p>Thank you! It must not have caught my eye.</p>",
                  "votes": null,
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                }
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          "id": 2443922,
          "author_name": "nancy1023",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "09/18/2023 05:05:43",
          "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/danielburkhardt\" target=\"_blank\">@danielburkhardt</a>, thanks for the response.</p>\n<p>We have an in-house database, and the data sources for this database are publicly accessible.  We would like to inquire whether using this database would be in violation of the competition rules.</p>",
          "votes": null,
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            {
              "id": 2444940,
              "author_name": "danielburkhardt",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "09/18/2023 14:48:49",
              "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/nancy1023\" target=\"_blank\">@nancy1023</a> this is fine, as long as you meet the following criteria:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your Submissions. <strong>However, you will ensure the External Data is publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants of the Competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants.</strong> The ability to use External Data under this Section 7.C (External Data) does not limit your other obligations under these Competition Rules, including but not limited to Section 11 (Winners Obligations). </p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>Can you provide a link to the data? Ideally, it would be great if you could create a Kaggle notebook showing how to load the data. I'm sure <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/ryanholbrook\" target=\"_blank\">@ryanholbrook</a> can help with any questions you have there.</p>",
              "votes": null,
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                  "id": 2445897,
                  "author_name": "nancy1023",
                  "author_url": "",
                  "post_date": "09/19/2023 06:25:29",
                  "content": "<p>Hi <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/danielburkhardt\" target=\"_blank\">@danielburkhardt</a>, thanks for the response.</p>\n<p>The link of the database has not been published yet, can we provide a table that includes the links for each dataset in the database? Would this be feasible?</p>",
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                      "id": 2446690,
                      "author_name": "danielburkhardt",
                      "author_url": "",
                      "post_date": "09/19/2023 14:48:09",
                      "content": "<p>Can you please comment more on what is included in the database? Did you aggregate a number of individually-available public single-cell datasets into a single database? Did you augment the data in any way?</p>\n<p>Without understanding exactly what the external data is, it's hard to judge if it is \"publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants.\" </p>",
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                        {
                          "id": 2447277,
                          "author_name": "nancy1023",
                          "author_url": "",
                          "post_date": "09/20/2023 01:27:38",
                          "content": "<p>Sure, we mined the count matrices from GEO and standardized the storage formats without further augmentation or any other processing.</p>",
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    "2440237": "Thanks to the competition hosts for organizing this competition.\n\nI wanted to know if there are any licensing and other restrictions with respect to other sources of data, existing models, etc. that should be taken into account for the submissions, as this detail is not described in the competition description.",
    "2440939": "You can find more information in the Rules (https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/open-problems-single-cell-perturbations/rules)\n\nIs there a specific question you have?",
    "2441966": "Hi @danielburkhardt, thanks for the response. \n\nMy main concern is regarding additional data usage: are there any restrictions or can we employ any datasets in addition to the ones provided for the competition?",
    "2442110": "Hi @asarvazyan, this is specified in the rules under the header “External Data”. Let me know if any of that is confusing!",
    "2442263": "Thank you! It must not have caught my eye.",
    "2443922": "Hi @danielburkhardt, thanks for the response.\n\nWe have an in-house database, and the data sources for this database are publicly accessible.  We would like to inquire whether using this database would be in violation of the competition rules.",
    "2444940": "nancy1023 this is fine, as long as you meet the following criteria:\n\n> C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your Submissions. **However, you will ensure the External Data is publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants of the Competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants.** The ability to use External Data under this Section 7.C (External Data) does not limit your other obligations under these Competition Rules, including but not limited to Section 11 (Winners Obligations). \n\nCan you provide a link to the data? Ideally, it would be great if you could create a Kaggle notebook showing how to load the data. I'm sure @ryanholbrook can help with any questions you have there.",
    "2445897": "Hi @danielburkhardt, thanks for the response.\n\nThe link of the database has not been published yet, can we provide a table that includes the links for each dataset in the database? Would this be feasible?",
    "2446690": "Can you please comment more on what is included in the database? Did you aggregate a number of individually-available public single-cell datasets into a single database? Did you augment the data in any way?\n\nWithout understanding exactly what the external data is, it's hard to judge if it is \"publicly available and equally accessible to use by all participants.\"",
    "2447277": "Sure, we mined the count matrices from GEO and standardized the storage formats without further augmentation or any other processing."
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