For curiosities sake, why are there no ranking points for this contest? Unlike the public train portion of the MSKCC genomics dataset, there is no public availability of the public test set, so why make it not award tiers/points? Is it to discourage kaggle masters in favor of new users?
\n\nJust interested for curiosity's sake :)
", "messages": [ { "id": "222862", "postDate": "09/20/2017 11:33:35", "content": "For curiosities sake, why are there no ranking points for this contest? Unlike the public train portion of the MSKCC genomics dataset, there is no public availability of the public test set, so why make it not award tiers/points? Is it to discourage kaggle masters in favor of new users?
\n\nJust interested for curiosity's sake :)
", "rawMarkdown": "For curiosities sake, why are there no ranking points for this contest? Unlike the public train portion of the MSKCC genomics dataset, there is no public availability of the public test set, so why make it not award tiers/points? Is it to discourage kaggle masters in favor of new users? \n\nJust interested for curiosity's sake :)", "votes": null }, { "id": "222938", "postDate": "09/20/2017 16:34:19", "content": "That sucks. Didn't even notice it. Oh well, I guess I know how much effort I'll put into this competition.
", "rawMarkdown": "That sucks. Didn't even notice it. Oh well, I guess I know how much effort I'll put into this competition.", "votes": null }, { "id": "222956", "postDate": "09/20/2017 17:35:17", "content": "My understanding so far across other similar cases is that no-ranking points are awarded when the LB does not reflect the proper effort needed to be placed there.
\n(for whatever reason you want to think of, one could be its possible to cheat somehow)
However, that does not explain why ranking points were given for Mercedes Competition :)
", "rawMarkdown": "My understanding so far across other similar cases is that no-ranking points are awarded when the LB does not reflect the proper effort needed to be placed there. \n(for whatever reason you want to think of, one could be its possible to cheat somehow)\n\nHowever, that does not explain why ranking points were given for [Mercedes Competition][1] :)\n\n\n [1]: https://www.kaggle.com/c/mercedes-benz-greener-manufacturing", "votes": null }, { "id": "222961", "postDate": "09/20/2017 17:57:17", "content": "Why must people care so much about pointless medals and ranking points? We're all here to learn, and right now this looks like a better contest than Carvana or zillow.
", "rawMarkdown": "Why must people care so much about pointless medals and ranking points? We're all here to learn, and right now this looks like a better contest than Carvana or zillow.", "votes": null }, { "id": "222963", "postDate": "09/20/2017 18:07:20", "content": "It looks like a very interesting competition, a pity no ranking point is granted.
", "rawMarkdown": "It looks like a very interesting competition, a pity no ranking point is granted.", "votes": null }, { "id": "222994", "postDate": "09/20/2017 20:04:38", "content": "Hi Dan -
\n\nCrafting a well-formed data science competition takes quite a bit of work. Those who have been with Kaggle for some time know there are many different things that can go wrong.
\n\nFor some of the research contests, we rely more heavily on the organizer to ensure that the data provided meets the necessary criteria for a meaningful competition. This allows us to provide a larger and more diverse set of challenges to the community.
\n\nOf course, we leave it up to each competitor to decide whether the potential competition benefit - prize money, Kaggle points, the opportunity to attend a conference, personal learning, swag, etc. - is worth the time investment they put into the competition.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi Dan -\n\nCrafting a well-formed data science competition takes quite a bit of work. Those who have been with Kaggle for some time know there are many different things that can go wrong.\n\nFor some of the research contests, we rely more heavily on the organizer to ensure that the data provided meets the necessary criteria for a meaningful competition. This allows us to provide a larger and more diverse set of challenges to the community.\n\nOf course, we leave it up to each competitor to decide whether the potential competition benefit - prize money, Kaggle points, the opportunity to attend a conference, personal learning, swag, etc. - is worth the time investment they put into the competition.", "votes": null }, { "id": "223059", "postDate": "09/21/2017 01:21:37", "content": "", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": null }, { "id": "223138", "postDate": "09/21/2017 08:00:51", "content": "The 80-20 rule applies to these competitions. As soon as I have a reasonable score I generally quit the competition, as I rather spend my time on other things than fighting for the 4th, 5th or even 6th decimal.
", "rawMarkdown": "The 80-20 rule applies to these competitions. As soon as I have a reasonable score I generally quit the competition, as I rather spend my time on other things than fighting for the 4th, 5th or even 6th decimal.", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 222938, "author_name": "tunguz", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/20/2017 16:34:19", "content": "That sucks. Didn't even notice it. Oh well, I guess I know how much effort I'll put into this competition.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 222956, "author_name": "carloshuertas", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/20/2017 17:35:17", "content": "My understanding so far across other similar cases is that no-ranking points are awarded when the LB does not reflect the proper effort needed to be placed there.
\n(for whatever reason you want to think of, one could be its possible to cheat somehow)
However, that does not explain why ranking points were given for Mercedes Competition :)
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 223138, "author_name": "kevinbonnes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/21/2017 08:00:51", "content": "The 80-20 rule applies to these competitions. As soon as I have a reasonable score I generally quit the competition, as I rather spend my time on other things than fighting for the 4th, 5th or even 6th decimal.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 222961, "author_name": "stevenknguyen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/20/2017 17:57:17", "content": "Why must people care so much about pointless medals and ranking points? We're all here to learn, and right now this looks like a better contest than Carvana or zillow.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 222963, "author_name": "abrial", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/20/2017 18:07:20", "content": "It looks like a very interesting competition, a pity no ranking point is granted.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 222994, "author_name": "inversion", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/20/2017 20:04:38", "content": "Hi Dan -
\n\nCrafting a well-formed data science competition takes quite a bit of work. Those who have been with Kaggle for some time know there are many different things that can go wrong.
\n\nFor some of the research contests, we rely more heavily on the organizer to ensure that the data provided meets the necessary criteria for a meaningful competition. This allows us to provide a larger and more diverse set of challenges to the community.
\n\nOf course, we leave it up to each competitor to decide whether the potential competition benefit - prize money, Kaggle points, the opportunity to attend a conference, personal learning, swag, etc. - is worth the time investment they put into the competition.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 223059, "author_name": "hacker1", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/21/2017 01:21:37", "content": "", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "222862": "For curiosities sake, why are there no ranking points for this contest? Unlike the public train portion of the MSKCC genomics dataset, there is no public availability of the public test set, so why make it not award tiers/points? Is it to discourage kaggle masters in favor of new users? \n\nJust interested for curiosity's sake :)", "222938": "That sucks. Didn't even notice it. Oh well, I guess I know how much effort I'll put into this competition.", "222956": "My understanding so far across other similar cases is that no-ranking points are awarded when the LB does not reflect the proper effort needed to be placed there. \n(for whatever reason you want to think of, one could be its possible to cheat somehow)\n\nHowever, that does not explain why ranking points were given for [Mercedes Competition][1] :)\n\n\n [1]: https://www.kaggle.com/c/mercedes-benz-greener-manufacturing", "222961": "Why must people care so much about pointless medals and ranking points? We're all here to learn, and right now this looks like a better contest than Carvana or zillow.", "222963": "It looks like a very interesting competition, a pity no ranking point is granted.", "222994": "Hi Dan -\n\nCrafting a well-formed data science competition takes quite a bit of work. Those who have been with Kaggle for some time know there are many different things that can go wrong.\n\nFor some of the research contests, we rely more heavily on the organizer to ensure that the data provided meets the necessary criteria for a meaningful competition. This allows us to provide a larger and more diverse set of challenges to the community.\n\nOf course, we leave it up to each competitor to decide whether the potential competition benefit - prize money, Kaggle points, the opportunity to attend a conference, personal learning, swag, etc. - is worth the time investment they put into the competition.", "223059": "", "223138": "The 80-20 rule applies to these competitions. As soon as I have a reasonable score I generally quit the competition, as I rather spend my time on other things than fighting for the 4th, 5th or even 6th decimal." }, "source": "meta" }