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Just naively asking, but I noticed that a few top competitors in this competition are from the same company. I’m wondering if they are not in the same team, what are the ways to prevent private sharing from happening?
", "messages": [ { "id": "548384", "postDate": "06/09/2019 09:48:34", "content": "Just naively asking, but I noticed that a few top competitors in this competition are from the same company. I’m wondering if they are not in the same team, what are the ways to prevent private sharing from happening?
", "rawMarkdown": "Just naively asking, but I noticed that a few top competitors in this competition are from the same company. I’m wondering if they are not in the same team, what are the ways to prevent private sharing from happening?", "votes": null }, { "id": "548390", "postDate": "06/09/2019 10:00:01", "content": "Wow, 5 places in top 15!\nI'd rather to believe that they all finish their works individually. Wish to learn from their excellent solutions : )
", "rawMarkdown": "Wow, 5 places in top 15!\nI'd rather to believe that they all finish their works individually. Wish to learn from their excellent solutions : )", "votes": null }, { "id": "548501", "postDate": "06/09/2019 13:44:20", "content": "K & K are not, and I guess Sanzhar isn't either
", "rawMarkdown": "K & K are not, and I guess Sanzhar isn't either", "votes": null }, { "id": "548521", "postDate": "06/09/2019 14:16:57", "content": "Yes, here the number \"5\" doesn't count K & K, it only contains competitors from one company.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, here the number \"5\" doesn't count K & K, it only contains competitors from one company.", "votes": null }, { "id": "548525", "postDate": "06/09/2019 14:26:02", "content": "Oh sh~, you're right
", "rawMarkdown": "Oh sh~, you're right", "votes": null }, { "id": "548526", "postDate": "06/09/2019 14:26:26", "content": "Some of them doesn't look innocent: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94430#latest-547710
\n\nI don't know if they did private sharing in this one or not, but it would be nice if the organizers can check @makeitworkjml
", "rawMarkdown": "Some of them doesn't look innocent: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94430#latest-547710\n\nI don't know if they did private sharing in this one or not, but it would be nice if the organizers can check @makeitworkjml", "votes": null }, { "id": "548528", "postDate": "06/09/2019 14:28:30", "content": "Well what if they're competing with each other? You can't force people to merge teams just because they work together.
", "rawMarkdown": "Well what if they're competing with each other? You can't force people to merge teams just because they work together.", "votes": null }, { "id": "548538", "postDate": "06/09/2019 14:47:43", "content": "based on the huge difference in imet score leaderboard I think the Leak has been found there
", "rawMarkdown": "based on the huge difference in imet score leaderboard I think the Leak has been found there", "votes": null }, { "id": "548560", "postDate": "06/09/2019 15:14:32", "content": "> ValeriyBabushkin wrote\n> \n> > and they all are masters/grandmasters
\n\nWell, indeed they are all masters/grandmasters. But sadly, as a matter of fact, they are accused of cheating.
\n\n(sad face)
\n\n(no offense)
\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94256#542190
", "rawMarkdown": "> **ValeriyBabushkin wrote**\n> \n> > and they all are masters/grandmasters\n\nWell, indeed they are all masters/grandmasters. But sadly, as a matter of fact, they are accused of cheating. \n\n(sad face)\n\n(no offense)\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94256#542190", "votes": null }, { "id": "548566", "postDate": "06/09/2019 15:25:51", "content": "I agree that you cannot force people to merge teams because they are coming from the same company.
\n\nBut I am just kind of shocked to see someone's response here...
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree that you cannot force people to merge teams because they are coming from the same company. \n\nBut I am just kind of shocked to see someone's response here...", "votes": null }, { "id": "548575", "postDate": "06/09/2019 15:33:40", "content": "An accusation with no proof could lead to many things\nHowever, I prefer to wait until the second stage/private Leaderboard is over, the code is checked by the Kaggle team and the proofs are revealed
", "rawMarkdown": "An accusation with no proof could lead to many things\nHowever, I prefer to wait until the second stage/private Leaderboard is over, the code is checked by the Kaggle team and the proofs are revealed", "votes": null }, { "id": "548576", "postDate": "06/09/2019 15:34:56", "content": "I do not want to believe that they share ideas (or code, data) personally. I want to believe that Kagglers are always fair.\nBut if they really did private sharing in the iMet competition, they might have done private sharing in this competition as well.\nI hope that the admins of this competition and the admins of iMet will work on this issue together.
", "rawMarkdown": "I do not want to believe that they share ideas (or code, data) personally. I want to believe that Kagglers are always fair.\nBut if they really did private sharing in the iMet competition, they might have done private sharing in this competition as well.\nI hope that the admins of this competition and the admins of iMet will work on this issue together.", "votes": null }, { "id": "548646", "postDate": "06/09/2019 16:59:48", "content": "Now comments made me wondering if the discussion happening here is really about whether employees of the same company should form a single team, or is it just another accusation towards the concrete group of people.
\n\nIf second, I think it would be mildly inappropriate to raise the question of their integrity in a thread that is probably dedicated to a more broad problem (unless it was intended to denounce X5 guys from the start).
\n\nIf first, no matter how unfair it feels, there is nothing that can be done with the problem that essentially comes down to \"how do we prevent two individuals who know each other from privately sharing something\".
\n\nYes, you can require them to reveal the code they used, but we all know how insufficient that is.
\n\nI know that cheating is bad, and it sucks to be left behind because of it, but at the end of the day there is nothing we can do other than rely on each competitor's conscientiousness. Guys, let's all get along.\n
Some Japanese companies also have some kagglers. But I know they never do private sharing. I think employees of the same company doesn't have to form a single team. The most important thing is all kagglers obey the rule and kaggle team reveals rules about private sharing.
", "rawMarkdown": "Some Japanese companies also have some kagglers. But I know they never do private sharing. I think employees of the same company doesn't have to form a single team. The most important thing is all kagglers obey the rule and kaggle team reveals rules about private sharing.", "votes": null }, { "id": "548980", "postDate": "06/10/2019 06:52:51", "content": "In Malware competition, top 3 teams on public LB had employees from DENA. But it was impossible for them to merge because of team size limit.
\n\nDoes it mean that they were sharing info outside team? I don't think so.
\n\nI work in a very large company. It would be totally impossible and unfair to force me to team with every employee (that I probably don't know) who want to enter a Kaggle competition I enter. Moreover, this would limit the number of employee per company to that max team limit.
", "rawMarkdown": "In Malware competition, top 3 teams on public LB had employees from DENA. But it was impossible for them to merge because of team size limit.\n\nDoes it mean that they were sharing info outside team? I don't think so.\n\nI work in a very large company. It would be totally impossible and unfair to force me to team with every employee (that I probably don't know) who want to enter a Kaggle competition I enter. Moreover, this would limit the number of employee per company to that max team limit.", "votes": null }, { "id": "549011", "postDate": "06/10/2019 07:43:15", "content": "Thank you all for your responses!
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you all for your responses!", "votes": null }, { "id": "549031", "postDate": "06/10/2019 08:03:52", "content": "I think same company name is not a good feature to detect private sharing.
", "rawMarkdown": "I think same company name is not a good feature to detect private sharing.", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 548390, "author_name": "yiheng", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 10:00:01", "content": "Wow, 5 places in top 15!\nI'd rather to believe that they all finish their works individually. Wish to learn from their excellent solutions : )
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 548501, "author_name": "artyomp", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 13:44:20", "content": "K & K are not, and I guess Sanzhar isn't either
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 548521, "author_name": "yiheng", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 14:16:57", "content": "Yes, here the number \"5\" doesn't count K & K, it only contains competitors from one company.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 548525, "author_name": "artyomp", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 14:26:02", "content": "Oh sh~, you're right
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 548526, "author_name": "aerdem4", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 14:26:26", "content": "Some of them doesn't look innocent: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94430#latest-547710
\n\nI don't know if they did private sharing in this one or not, but it would be nice if the organizers can check @makeitworkjml
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 548538, "author_name": "venheads", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 14:47:43", "content": "based on the huge difference in imet score leaderboard I think the Leak has been found there
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 548560, "author_name": "naivelamb", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 15:14:32", "content": "> ValeriyBabushkin wrote\n> \n> > and they all are masters/grandmasters
\n\nWell, indeed they are all masters/grandmasters. But sadly, as a matter of fact, they are accused of cheating.
\n\n(sad face)
\n\n(no offense)
\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94256#542190
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 548575, "author_name": "venheads", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 15:33:40", "content": "An accusation with no proof could lead to many things\nHowever, I prefer to wait until the second stage/private Leaderboard is over, the code is checked by the Kaggle team and the proofs are revealed
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 548528, "author_name": "devvindan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 14:28:30", "content": "Well what if they're competing with each other? You can't force people to merge teams just because they work together.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 548566, "author_name": "naivelamb", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 15:25:51", "content": "I agree that you cannot force people to merge teams because they are coming from the same company.
\n\nBut I am just kind of shocked to see someone's response here...
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 548576, "author_name": "rskmoi", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 15:34:56", "content": "I do not want to believe that they share ideas (or code, data) personally. I want to believe that Kagglers are always fair.\nBut if they really did private sharing in the iMet competition, they might have done private sharing in this competition as well.\nI hope that the admins of this competition and the admins of iMet will work on this issue together.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 548646, "author_name": "devvindan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/09/2019 16:59:48", "content": "Now comments made me wondering if the discussion happening here is really about whether employees of the same company should form a single team, or is it just another accusation towards the concrete group of people.
\n\nIf second, I think it would be mildly inappropriate to raise the question of their integrity in a thread that is probably dedicated to a more broad problem (unless it was intended to denounce X5 guys from the start).
\n\nIf first, no matter how unfair it feels, there is nothing that can be done with the problem that essentially comes down to \"how do we prevent two individuals who know each other from privately sharing something\".
\n\nYes, you can require them to reveal the code they used, but we all know how insufficient that is.
\n\nI know that cheating is bad, and it sucks to be left behind because of it, but at the end of the day there is nothing we can do other than rely on each competitor's conscientiousness. Guys, let's all get along.\n
Some Japanese companies also have some kagglers. But I know they never do private sharing. I think employees of the same company doesn't have to form a single team. The most important thing is all kagglers obey the rule and kaggle team reveals rules about private sharing.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 548980, "author_name": "cpmpml", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/10/2019 06:52:51", "content": "In Malware competition, top 3 teams on public LB had employees from DENA. But it was impossible for them to merge because of team size limit.
\n\nDoes it mean that they were sharing info outside team? I don't think so.
\n\nI work in a very large company. It would be totally impossible and unfair to force me to team with every employee (that I probably don't know) who want to enter a Kaggle competition I enter. Moreover, this would limit the number of employee per company to that max team limit.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 549011, "author_name": "alexanderliao", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/10/2019 07:43:15", "content": "Thank you all for your responses!
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 549031, "author_name": "hiroshi128", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/10/2019 08:03:52", "content": "I think same company name is not a good feature to detect private sharing.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "548384": "Just naively asking, but I noticed that a few top competitors in this competition are from the same company. I’m wondering if they are not in the same team, what are the ways to prevent private sharing from happening?", "548390": "Wow, 5 places in top 15!\nI'd rather to believe that they all finish their works individually. Wish to learn from their excellent solutions : )", "548501": "K & K are not, and I guess Sanzhar isn't either", "548521": "Yes, here the number \"5\" doesn't count K & K, it only contains competitors from one company.", "548525": "Oh sh~, you're right", "548526": "Some of them doesn't look innocent: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94430#latest-547710\n\nI don't know if they did private sharing in this one or not, but it would be nice if the organizers can check @makeitworkjml", "548528": "Well what if they're competing with each other? You can't force people to merge teams just because they work together.", "548538": "based on the huge difference in imet score leaderboard I think the Leak has been found there", "548560": "> **ValeriyBabushkin wrote**\n> \n> > and they all are masters/grandmasters\n\nWell, indeed they are all masters/grandmasters. But sadly, as a matter of fact, they are accused of cheating. \n\n(sad face)\n\n(no offense)\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion/94256#542190", "548566": "I agree that you cannot force people to merge teams because they are coming from the same company. \n\nBut I am just kind of shocked to see someone's response here...", "548575": "An accusation with no proof could lead to many things\nHowever, I prefer to wait until the second stage/private Leaderboard is over, the code is checked by the Kaggle team and the proofs are revealed", "548576": "I do not want to believe that they share ideas (or code, data) personally. I want to believe that Kagglers are always fair.\nBut if they really did private sharing in the iMet competition, they might have done private sharing in this competition as well.\nI hope that the admins of this competition and the admins of iMet will work on this issue together.", "548646": "Now comments made me wondering if the discussion happening here is really about whether employees of the same company should form a single team, or is it just another accusation towards the concrete group of people.\n\nIf second, I think it would be mildly inappropriate to raise the question of their integrity in a thread that is probably dedicated to a more broad problem (unless it was intended to denounce X5 guys from the start).\n\nIf first, no matter how unfair it feels, there is nothing that can be done with the problem that essentially comes down to *\"how do we prevent two individuals who know each other from privately sharing something\"*.\n\nYes, you can require them to reveal the code they used, but we all know how insufficient that is.\n\nI know that cheating is bad, and it sucks to be left behind because of it, but at the end of the day there is nothing we can do other than rely on each competitor's conscientiousness. Guys, let's all get along.\n", "548935": "Some Japanese companies also have some kagglers. But I know they never do private sharing. I think employees of the same company doesn't have to form a single team. The most important thing is all kagglers obey the rule and kaggle team reveals rules about private sharing.", "548980": "In Malware competition, top 3 teams on public LB had employees from DENA. But it was impossible for them to merge because of team size limit.\n\nDoes it mean that they were sharing info outside team? I don't think so.\n\nI work in a very large company. It would be totally impossible and unfair to force me to team with every employee (that I probably don't know) who want to enter a Kaggle competition I enter. Moreover, this would limit the number of employee per company to that max team limit.", "549011": "Thank you all for your responses!", "549031": "I think same company name is not a good feature to detect private sharing." }, "source": "meta" }