{
  "id": 333083,
  "title": "Good Visual Showing How Tissue Slice Thickness Impacts Staining Intensity",
  "url": "/competitions/hubmap-organ-segmentation/discussion/333083",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2022-06-24T15:15:10.674394600Z",
  "votes": 56,
  "comment_count": 3,
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  "content": "<p><strong>Good visual showing how tissue section thickness can impact staining intensity.</strong> </p>\n<ul>\n<li>This image is for H&amp;E staining. I'm not certain but this finding may generalize to other staining techniques</li>\n<li>Might indicate that some augmentation surrounding intensity/contrast could be helpful.</li>\n</ul>\n<p><img src=\"https://i.ibb.co/st9jk2T/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows.jpg\" alt=\"Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows\"></p>\n<p>Paper Reference Link - <a href=\"https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346470269_Impact_of_Preanalytical_Factors_During_Histology_Processing_on_Section_Suitability_for_Digital_Image_Analysis\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346470269_Impact_of_Preanalytical_Factors_During_Histology_Processing_on_Section_Suitability_for_Digital_Image_Analysis</a></p>\n<p>Picture Reference Link - <a href=\"https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows_fig2_346470269\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows_fig2_346470269</a></p>",
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    {
      "id": "1831996",
      "postDate": "06/24/2022 15:15:10",
      "content": "<p><strong>Good visual showing how tissue section thickness can impact staining intensity.</strong> </p>\n<ul>\n<li>This image is for H&amp;E staining. I'm not certain but this finding may generalize to other staining techniques</li>\n<li>Might indicate that some augmentation surrounding intensity/contrast could be helpful.</li>\n</ul>\n<p><img src=\"https://i.ibb.co/st9jk2T/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows.jpg\" alt=\"Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows\"></p>\n<p>Paper Reference Link - <a href=\"https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346470269_Impact_of_Preanalytical_Factors_During_Histology_Processing_on_Section_Suitability_for_Digital_Image_Analysis\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346470269_Impact_of_Preanalytical_Factors_During_Histology_Processing_on_Section_Suitability_for_Digital_Image_Analysis</a></p>\n<p>Picture Reference Link - <a href=\"https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows_fig2_346470269\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows_fig2_346470269</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "**Good visual showing how tissue section thickness can impact staining intensity.** \n* This image is for H&E staining. I'm not certain but this finding may generalize to other staining techniques\n* Might indicate that some augmentation surrounding intensity/contrast could be helpful.\n\n![Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows](https://i.ibb.co/st9jk2T/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows.jpg)\n\nPaper Reference Link - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346470269_Impact_of_Preanalytical_Factors_During_Histology_Processing_on_Section_Suitability_for_Digital_Image_Analysis\n\nPicture Reference Link - https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows_fig2_346470269",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1833170",
      "postDate": "06/25/2022 17:44:06",
      "content": "<p>Nice visual. I wonder if any of the test images use <code>tissue_thickness</code> not equal to 4. All train and provided test info use 4 but if test uses something other than 4, we will need to lighten and darken the images based on your plot.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Nice visual. I wonder if any of the test images use `tissue_thickness` not equal to 4. All train and provided test info use 4 but if test uses something other than 4, we will need to lighten and darken the images based on your plot.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1833196",
      "postDate": "06/25/2022 18:04:30",
      "content": "<p>Hi Chris, the test images do use different slice thicknesses for different organs. Note that training images come from HPA and test come from a combo of HuBMAP and HPA.</p>\n<p>Here’s what the hosts said in the data section:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p><code>tissue_thickness</code> - The thickness of the biopsy sample in micrometers. All HPA images have a thickness of 4 µm. The Hubmap samples have tissue slice thicknesses 10 µm for kidney, 8 µm for large intestine, 4 µm for spleen, 5 µm for lung, and 5 µm for prostate.</p>\n</blockquote>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi Chris, the test images do use different slice thicknesses for different organs. Note that training images come from HPA and test come from a combo of HuBMAP and HPA.\n\nHere’s what the hosts said in the data section:\n\n> `tissue_thickness` - The thickness of the biopsy sample in micrometers. All HPA images have a thickness of 4 µm. The Hubmap samples have tissue slice thicknesses 10 µm for kidney, 8 µm for large intestine, 4 µm for spleen, 5 µm for lung, and 5 µm for prostate.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1833199",
      "postDate": "06/25/2022 18:07:11",
      "content": "<p>Here’s the relevant quote regarding dataset distributions:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p><strong>The training dataset consists of data from public HPA data, the public test set is a combination of private HPA data and HuBMAP data, and the private test set contains only HuBMAP data.</strong> Adapting models to function properly when presented with data that was prepared using a different protocol will be one of the core challenges of this competition. While this is expected to make the problem more difficult, developing models that generalize is a key goal of this endeavor.</p>\n</blockquote>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Here’s the relevant quote regarding dataset distributions:\n\n> **The training dataset consists of data from public HPA data, the public test set is a combination of private HPA data and HuBMAP data, and the private test set contains only HuBMAP data.** Adapting models to function properly when presented with data that was prepared using a different protocol will be one of the core challenges of this competition. While this is expected to make the problem more difficult, developing models that generalize is a key goal of this endeavor.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1833170,
      "author_name": "cdeotte",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "06/25/2022 17:44:06",
      "content": "<p>Nice visual. I wonder if any of the test images use <code>tissue_thickness</code> not equal to 4. All train and provided test info use 4 but if test uses something other than 4, we will need to lighten and darken the images based on your plot.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1833196,
          "author_name": "dschettler8845",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "06/25/2022 18:04:30",
          "content": "<p>Hi Chris, the test images do use different slice thicknesses for different organs. Note that training images come from HPA and test come from a combo of HuBMAP and HPA.</p>\n<p>Here’s what the hosts said in the data section:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p><code>tissue_thickness</code> - The thickness of the biopsy sample in micrometers. All HPA images have a thickness of 4 µm. The Hubmap samples have tissue slice thicknesses 10 µm for kidney, 8 µm for large intestine, 4 µm for spleen, 5 µm for lung, and 5 µm for prostate.</p>\n</blockquote>",
          "votes": null,
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        },
        {
          "id": 1833199,
          "author_name": "dschettler8845",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "06/25/2022 18:07:11",
          "content": "<p>Here’s the relevant quote regarding dataset distributions:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p><strong>The training dataset consists of data from public HPA data, the public test set is a combination of private HPA data and HuBMAP data, and the private test set contains only HuBMAP data.</strong> Adapting models to function properly when presented with data that was prepared using a different protocol will be one of the core challenges of this competition. While this is expected to make the problem more difficult, developing models that generalize is a key goal of this endeavor.</p>\n</blockquote>",
          "votes": null,
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    "1831996": "**Good visual showing how tissue section thickness can impact staining intensity.** \n* This image is for H&E staining. I'm not certain but this finding may generalize to other staining techniques\n* Might indicate that some augmentation surrounding intensity/contrast could be helpful.\n\n![Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows](https://i.ibb.co/st9jk2T/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows.jpg)\n\nPaper Reference Link - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346470269_Impact_of_Preanalytical_Factors_During_Histology_Processing_on_Section_Suitability_for_Digital_Image_Analysis\n\nPicture Reference Link - https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Staining-intensity-for-H-E-rises-as-section-thickness-increases-Panel-A-shows_fig2_346470269",
    "1833170": "Nice visual. I wonder if any of the test images use `tissue_thickness` not equal to 4. All train and provided test info use 4 but if test uses something other than 4, we will need to lighten and darken the images based on your plot.",
    "1833196": "Hi Chris, the test images do use different slice thicknesses for different organs. Note that training images come from HPA and test come from a combo of HuBMAP and HPA.\n\nHere’s what the hosts said in the data section:\n\n> `tissue_thickness` - The thickness of the biopsy sample in micrometers. All HPA images have a thickness of 4 µm. The Hubmap samples have tissue slice thicknesses 10 µm for kidney, 8 µm for large intestine, 4 µm for spleen, 5 µm for lung, and 5 µm for prostate.",
    "1833199": "Here’s the relevant quote regarding dataset distributions:\n\n> **The training dataset consists of data from public HPA data, the public test set is a combination of private HPA data and HuBMAP data, and the private test set contains only HuBMAP data.** Adapting models to function properly when presented with data that was prepared using a different protocol will be one of the core challenges of this competition. While this is expected to make the problem more difficult, developing models that generalize is a key goal of this endeavor."
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