{
  "id": 225726,
  "title": "Can Kaggle give credit for this competition?",
  "url": "/competitions/hotel-id-2021-fgvc8/discussion/225726",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2021-03-13T15:36:41.390248200Z",
  "votes": 39,
  "comment_count": 12,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>This appears to be a very noble competition to stop the evil of human trafficking which impacts lives of so many folks specially from poorer countries through ML and data science. We have seen that the best ML minds in Kaggle gravitate towards competitions that gives some recognition (medals or points if not cash) for the problems at hand. Is it feasible that Kaggle provides some ranking points or tiers for this noble cause? It will be a small step in the right direction.</p>\n<ul>\n<li><p>Points: This competition does <strong>not</strong> award ranking points</p></li>\n<li><p>Tiers: This competition does <strong>not</strong> count towards tiers </p></li>\n</ul>\n<p>This will go a long way in encouraging the best Kaggle minds to participate here.</p>",
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    {
      "id": "1236964",
      "postDate": "03/13/2021 15:36:41",
      "content": "<p>This appears to be a very noble competition to stop the evil of human trafficking which impacts lives of so many folks specially from poorer countries through ML and data science. We have seen that the best ML minds in Kaggle gravitate towards competitions that gives some recognition (medals or points if not cash) for the problems at hand. Is it feasible that Kaggle provides some ranking points or tiers for this noble cause? It will be a small step in the right direction.</p>\n<ul>\n<li><p>Points: This competition does <strong>not</strong> award ranking points</p></li>\n<li><p>Tiers: This competition does <strong>not</strong> count towards tiers </p></li>\n</ul>\n<p>This will go a long way in encouraging the best Kaggle minds to participate here.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This appears to be a very noble competition to stop the evil of human trafficking which impacts lives of so many folks specially from poorer countries through ML and data science. We have seen that the best ML minds in Kaggle gravitate towards competitions that gives some recognition (medals or points if not cash) for the problems at hand. Is it feasible that Kaggle provides some ranking points or tiers for this noble cause? It will be a small step in the right direction.\n\n- Points: This competition does **not** award ranking points\n\n- Tiers: This competition does **not** count towards tiers \n\nThis will go a long way in encouraging the best Kaggle minds to participate here.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1239399",
      "postDate": "03/15/2021 17:24:26",
      "content": "<p>agreed, I think we need more submissions or swags.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "agreed, I think we need more submissions or swags.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1240775",
      "postDate": "03/16/2021 16:04:34",
      "content": "<p>I noticed this from the description:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>A panel will review the top submissions for the competition based on the description of the methods provided. From this, a subset may be invited to present their results at the workshop. Attending the workshop is not required to participate in the competition, however only teams that are attending the workshop will be considered to present their work.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>In addition to the ideas you suggested, here's a few more suggestions to give some more incentives for people to participate:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Instead of a \"subset may be invited to present their results\", it would be better if \"At least X teams <strong>will</strong> be selected to present\", where X could be based on the number of total participants and/or number of slots available at the conference.</li>\n<li>Instead of requiring workshop attendance in order to present, the organizer could offer tickets to the conference. Since the conference is already virtual, the attendance cost might be low for data scientists based on USA for example, but might not be affordable for students and fresh grads around the world.</li>\n</ul>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I noticed this from the description:\n> A panel will review the top submissions for the competition based on the description of the methods provided. From this, a subset may be invited to present their results at the workshop. Attending the workshop is not required to participate in the competition, however only teams that are attending the workshop will be considered to present their work.\n\nIn addition to the ideas you suggested, here's a few more suggestions to give some more incentives for people to participate:\n- Instead of a \"subset may be invited to present their results\", it would be better if \"At least X teams **will** be selected to present\", where X could be based on the number of total participants and/or number of slots available at the conference.\n- Instead of requiring workshop attendance in order to present, the organizer could offer tickets to the conference. Since the conference is already virtual, the attendance cost might be low for data scientists based on USA for example, but might not be affordable for students and fresh grads around the world.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1242477",
      "postDate": "03/17/2021 16:30:01",
      "content": "<p>Thank you for voicing this. My primary interest in AI is to help solve problems like this. I completely agree with you that we need to create incentives for more participation in competitions like this.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for voicing this. My primary interest in AI is to help solve problems like this. I completely agree with you that we need to create incentives for more participation in competitions like this.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1243073",
      "postDate": "03/18/2021 02:09:50",
      "content": "<p>Presenting my own results at CVPR workshop is enough incentive to me. But I understand that would not be to all.    </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Presenting my own results at CVPR workshop is enough incentive to me. But I understand that would not be to all.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1243294",
      "postDate": "03/18/2021 06:03:29",
      "content": "<p>Yes, that is correct, we would need multiple diverse ideas to get the best solution. Points, tiers and ranking are one such incentive including those who do not make it to the workshop.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Yes, that is correct, we would need multiple diverse ideas to get the best solution. Points, tiers and ranking are one such incentive including those who do not make it to the workshop.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1243313",
      "postDate": "03/18/2021 06:18:07",
      "content": "<p>Yeah, you are absolutely right. Without any kaggle points, medals and other incentives than presentation at workshop, many would not join this competition. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Yeah, you are absolutely right. Without any kaggle points, medals and other incentives than presentation at workshop, many would not join this competition.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1245677",
      "postDate": "03/20/2021 02:59:39",
      "content": "<p>I think the best Kaggle Grandmasters are not even interested into medals but the money.<br>\nSInce Kaggle is owned by Google and Google has a lot of capital, they could had awarded a good sum of money for this competition.</p>\n<p>I agree with you brother, this competition is worth the time and effort just to fight human trafficking!<br>\nSign me up for a petition to get more competition grandmasters involved!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I think the best Kaggle Grandmasters are not even interested into medals but the money.\nSInce Kaggle is owned by Google and Google has a lot of capital, they could had awarded a good sum of money for this competition.\n\nI agree with you brother, this competition is worth the time and effort just to fight human trafficking!\nSign me up for a petition to get more competition grandmasters involved!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1245721",
      "postDate": "03/20/2021 04:35:15",
      "content": "<p>I am not sure on how to start a petition, but 100% agree with you 👍👍 </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I am not sure on how to start a petition, but 100% agree with you 👍👍",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1248631",
      "postDate": "03/22/2021 18:06:02",
      "content": "<p>A bit of context will help answering your concerns.</p>\n<p>This competition is a part from a series of competitions: <a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/competitions\" target=\"_blank\">FGVC8 Competitions</a>. FCVG stands for Fine-Grained Visual Categorization and <a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/home\" target=\"_blank\">FGVC8</a> is the 8th workshop, organized on June, 21, 2021. </p>\n<p>These competitions are Research competitions, are not Featured competitions.</p>\n<p>Usually, Featured competitions are the most sought by high profile Kagglers, not for the money primarily (just a few participants reach \"in the money\" zone), but for the points and resulting improvement in rankings.</p>\n<p>Here you can find more details: <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/geolifeclef-2021/discussion/227626\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/c/geolifeclef-2021/discussion/227626</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "A bit of context will help answering your concerns.\n\nThis competition is a part from a series of competitions: [FGVC8 Competitions](https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/competitions). FCVG stands for Fine-Grained Visual Categorization and [FGVC8](https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/home) is the 8th workshop, organized on June, 21, 2021. \n\nThese competitions are Research competitions, are not Featured competitions.\n\nUsually, Featured competitions are the most sought by high profile Kagglers, not for the money primarily (just a few participants reach \"in the money\" zone), but for the points and resulting improvement in rankings.\n\nHere you can find more details: https://www.kaggle.com/c/geolifeclef-2021/discussion/227626",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1248669",
      "postDate": "03/22/2021 18:34:15",
      "content": "<p>Thanks, yes agree money is not the sole motivation for competitions. However not everyone can make it to the workshop, so it would be great if there were some swag or points credit for such feature competitions as encouragement from Kaggle for budding data scientists. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks, yes agree money is not the sole motivation for competitions. However not everyone can make it to the workshop, so it would be great if there were some swag or points credit for such feature competitions as encouragement from Kaggle for budding data scientists.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1273308",
      "postDate": "04/14/2021 08:35:08",
      "content": "<p>Absolutely right.. thanks a lot for sharing!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Absolutely right.. thanks a lot for sharing!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1280569",
      "postDate": "04/22/2021 05:58:16",
      "content": "<p>Totally agreed. Thank you for sharing.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Totally agreed. Thank you for sharing.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1239399,
      "author_name": "kingabzpro",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/15/2021 17:24:26",
      "content": "<p>agreed, I think we need more submissions or swags.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1240775,
      "author_name": "xhlulu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/16/2021 16:04:34",
      "content": "<p>I noticed this from the description:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>A panel will review the top submissions for the competition based on the description of the methods provided. From this, a subset may be invited to present their results at the workshop. Attending the workshop is not required to participate in the competition, however only teams that are attending the workshop will be considered to present their work.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>In addition to the ideas you suggested, here's a few more suggestions to give some more incentives for people to participate:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Instead of a \"subset may be invited to present their results\", it would be better if \"At least X teams <strong>will</strong> be selected to present\", where X could be based on the number of total participants and/or number of slots available at the conference.</li>\n<li>Instead of requiring workshop attendance in order to present, the organizer could offer tickets to the conference. Since the conference is already virtual, the attendance cost might be low for data scientists based on USA for example, but might not be affordable for students and fresh grads around the world.</li>\n</ul>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1242477,
      "author_name": "tpmeli",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/17/2021 16:30:01",
      "content": "<p>Thank you for voicing this. My primary interest in AI is to help solve problems like this. I completely agree with you that we need to create incentives for more participation in competitions like this.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1243073,
      "author_name": "yoshitaka1105",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/18/2021 02:09:50",
      "content": "<p>Presenting my own results at CVPR workshop is enough incentive to me. But I understand that would not be to all.    </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1243294,
          "author_name": "saurabhbagchi",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "03/18/2021 06:03:29",
          "content": "<p>Yes, that is correct, we would need multiple diverse ideas to get the best solution. Points, tiers and ranking are one such incentive including those who do not make it to the workshop.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1243313,
          "author_name": "yoshitaka1105",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "03/18/2021 06:18:07",
          "content": "<p>Yeah, you are absolutely right. Without any kaggle points, medals and other incentives than presentation at workshop, many would not join this competition. </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
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      "id": 1245677,
      "author_name": "alincijov",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/20/2021 02:59:39",
      "content": "<p>I think the best Kaggle Grandmasters are not even interested into medals but the money.<br>\nSInce Kaggle is owned by Google and Google has a lot of capital, they could had awarded a good sum of money for this competition.</p>\n<p>I agree with you brother, this competition is worth the time and effort just to fight human trafficking!<br>\nSign me up for a petition to get more competition grandmasters involved!</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1245721,
          "author_name": "saurabhbagchi",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "03/20/2021 04:35:15",
          "content": "<p>I am not sure on how to start a petition, but 100% agree with you 👍👍 </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1248631,
      "author_name": "gpreda",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "03/22/2021 18:06:02",
      "content": "<p>A bit of context will help answering your concerns.</p>\n<p>This competition is a part from a series of competitions: <a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/competitions\" target=\"_blank\">FGVC8 Competitions</a>. FCVG stands for Fine-Grained Visual Categorization and <a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/home\" target=\"_blank\">FGVC8</a> is the 8th workshop, organized on June, 21, 2021. </p>\n<p>These competitions are Research competitions, are not Featured competitions.</p>\n<p>Usually, Featured competitions are the most sought by high profile Kagglers, not for the money primarily (just a few participants reach \"in the money\" zone), but for the points and resulting improvement in rankings.</p>\n<p>Here you can find more details: <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/geolifeclef-2021/discussion/227626\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/c/geolifeclef-2021/discussion/227626</a></p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1248669,
          "author_name": "saurabhbagchi",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "03/22/2021 18:34:15",
          "content": "<p>Thanks, yes agree money is not the sole motivation for competitions. However not everyone can make it to the workshop, so it would be great if there were some swag or points credit for such feature competitions as encouragement from Kaggle for budding data scientists. </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
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    {
      "id": 1273308,
      "author_name": "abhishek252",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "04/14/2021 08:35:08",
      "content": "<p>Absolutely right.. thanks a lot for sharing!</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1280569,
      "author_name": "kaiesalmahmud",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "04/22/2021 05:58:16",
      "content": "<p>Totally agreed. Thank you for sharing.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    }
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    "1236964": "This appears to be a very noble competition to stop the evil of human trafficking which impacts lives of so many folks specially from poorer countries through ML and data science. We have seen that the best ML minds in Kaggle gravitate towards competitions that gives some recognition (medals or points if not cash) for the problems at hand. Is it feasible that Kaggle provides some ranking points or tiers for this noble cause? It will be a small step in the right direction.\n\n- Points: This competition does **not** award ranking points\n\n- Tiers: This competition does **not** count towards tiers \n\nThis will go a long way in encouraging the best Kaggle minds to participate here.",
    "1239399": "agreed, I think we need more submissions or swags.",
    "1240775": "I noticed this from the description:\n> A panel will review the top submissions for the competition based on the description of the methods provided. From this, a subset may be invited to present their results at the workshop. Attending the workshop is not required to participate in the competition, however only teams that are attending the workshop will be considered to present their work.\n\nIn addition to the ideas you suggested, here's a few more suggestions to give some more incentives for people to participate:\n- Instead of a \"subset may be invited to present their results\", it would be better if \"At least X teams **will** be selected to present\", where X could be based on the number of total participants and/or number of slots available at the conference.\n- Instead of requiring workshop attendance in order to present, the organizer could offer tickets to the conference. Since the conference is already virtual, the attendance cost might be low for data scientists based on USA for example, but might not be affordable for students and fresh grads around the world.",
    "1242477": "Thank you for voicing this. My primary interest in AI is to help solve problems like this. I completely agree with you that we need to create incentives for more participation in competitions like this.",
    "1243073": "Presenting my own results at CVPR workshop is enough incentive to me. But I understand that would not be to all.",
    "1243294": "Yes, that is correct, we would need multiple diverse ideas to get the best solution. Points, tiers and ranking are one such incentive including those who do not make it to the workshop.",
    "1243313": "Yeah, you are absolutely right. Without any kaggle points, medals and other incentives than presentation at workshop, many would not join this competition.",
    "1245677": "I think the best Kaggle Grandmasters are not even interested into medals but the money.\nSInce Kaggle is owned by Google and Google has a lot of capital, they could had awarded a good sum of money for this competition.\n\nI agree with you brother, this competition is worth the time and effort just to fight human trafficking!\nSign me up for a petition to get more competition grandmasters involved!",
    "1245721": "I am not sure on how to start a petition, but 100% agree with you 👍👍",
    "1248631": "A bit of context will help answering your concerns.\n\nThis competition is a part from a series of competitions: [FGVC8 Competitions](https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/competitions). FCVG stands for Fine-Grained Visual Categorization and [FGVC8](https://sites.google.com/view/fgvc8/home) is the 8th workshop, organized on June, 21, 2021. \n\nThese competitions are Research competitions, are not Featured competitions.\n\nUsually, Featured competitions are the most sought by high profile Kagglers, not for the money primarily (just a few participants reach \"in the money\" zone), but for the points and resulting improvement in rankings.\n\nHere you can find more details: https://www.kaggle.com/c/geolifeclef-2021/discussion/227626",
    "1248669": "Thanks, yes agree money is not the sole motivation for competitions. However not everyone can make it to the workshop, so it would be great if there were some swag or points credit for such feature competitions as encouragement from Kaggle for budding data scientists.",
    "1273308": "Absolutely right.. thanks a lot for sharing!",
    "1280569": "Totally agreed. Thank you for sharing."
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