{
  "id": 505574,
  "title": "Sudden accretion of novice/ contributor accounts at the top of the leaderboard",
  "url": "/competitions/home-credit-credit-risk-model-stability/discussion/505574",
  "author_name": "Ravi Ramakrishnan",
  "post_date": "2024-05-18T05:48:43.563000",
  "votes": 37,
  "comment_count": 35,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Hello everyone, </p>\n<p>I observe quite a few novice/ contributor accounts at the top-end of the leaderboard with very few submissions and in a great rank. I checked some of these accounts and find that they are very recently created as well. Here is an example of one such account at the very top end of the leaderboard-</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2F91c9d03bab4561a8f79ef938ccf057c0%2FDubiousAccount1.png?generation=1716011064024169&amp;alt=media\"></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2Fa9ab6ed4af94d21e266b9eedb0b5150e%2FDubiousAccount2.png?generation=1716011138797130&amp;alt=media\"></p>\n<p>In this case, the said individual directly joined Kaggle in the past 24-28 hours, logged into the competition, built a superb model and submitted 10 times in 2 days and received a gold position!!! </p>\n<p>Although this is feasible, I wonder how these participants suddenly joined Kaggle in the past 2-4 days, built models and submitted exactly on-point to secure a silver/ gold place in the public leaderboard as on date? </p>\n<p>I do not wish to pin-point anyone, but this accretion of novice/ contributor accounts with submissions in the past 6-12 hours and a direct entry to the gold/ high silver zone instills a seed of doubt for sure. </p>\n<p>I hope these cases are dealt with appropriately, if applicable. </p>\n<p>Best regards.</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": 2821447,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T05:48:43.563Z",
      "content": "<p>Hello everyone, </p>\n<p>I observe quite a few novice/ contributor accounts at the top-end of the leaderboard with very few submissions and in a great rank. I checked some of these accounts and find that they are very recently created as well. Here is an example of one such account at the very top end of the leaderboard-</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2F91c9d03bab4561a8f79ef938ccf057c0%2FDubiousAccount1.png?generation=1716011064024169&amp;alt=media\"></p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2Fa9ab6ed4af94d21e266b9eedb0b5150e%2FDubiousAccount2.png?generation=1716011138797130&amp;alt=media\"></p>\n<p>In this case, the said individual directly joined Kaggle in the past 24-28 hours, logged into the competition, built a superb model and submitted 10 times in 2 days and received a gold position!!! </p>\n<p>Although this is feasible, I wonder how these participants suddenly joined Kaggle in the past 2-4 days, built models and submitted exactly on-point to secure a silver/ gold place in the public leaderboard as on date? </p>\n<p>I do not wish to pin-point anyone, but this accretion of novice/ contributor accounts with submissions in the past 6-12 hours and a direct entry to the gold/ high silver zone instills a seed of doubt for sure. </p>\n<p>I hope these cases are dealt with appropriately, if applicable. </p>\n<p>Best regards.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hello everyone, \n\nI observe quite a few novice/ contributor accounts at the top-end of the leaderboard with very few submissions and in a great rank. I checked some of these accounts and find that they are very recently created as well. Here is an example of one such account at the very top end of the leaderboard-\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2F91c9d03bab4561a8f79ef938ccf057c0%2FDubiousAccount1.png?generation=1716011064024169&alt=media)\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2Fa9ab6ed4af94d21e266b9eedb0b5150e%2FDubiousAccount2.png?generation=1716011138797130&alt=media)\n\nIn this case, the said individual directly joined Kaggle in the past 24-28 hours, logged into the competition, built a superb model and submitted 10 times in 2 days and received a gold position!!! \n\nAlthough this is feasible, I wonder how these participants suddenly joined Kaggle in the past 2-4 days, built models and submitted exactly on-point to secure a silver/ gold place in the public leaderboard as on date? \n\nI do not wish to pin-point anyone, but this accretion of novice/ contributor accounts with submissions in the past 6-12 hours and a direct entry to the gold/ high silver zone instills a seed of doubt for sure. \n\nI hope these cases are dealt with appropriately, if applicable. \n\nBest regards.",
      "votes": 37
    },
    {
      "id": 2822256,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T14:06:40.823Z",
      "content": "<p>I absolutely agree.. I am a contributor and this is my first competition. But, I have worked very hard over the past 3 months to study and understand the data and build multiple strong models to move up the leaderboard. Now suddenly, I see an influx of score over 0.6 which is very hard to achieve in only few tries. I understand many have used metric hack, but being a data scientist means the responsibility lies on us to use ethical techniques to get the best response. So, while I too have figured out how to hack the metric (after a lot of research), I am unwilling to make a submission using metric hack. I wholeheartedly accept being behind on the leaderboard using strong modeling techniques. For me, my principles matter more than end results, but, thats just me! Well, as it is often said, everything is fair in love and war…. and in Kaggle competition apparently!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I absolutely agree.. I am a contributor and this is my first competition. But, I have worked very hard over the past 3 months to study and understand the data and build multiple strong models to move up the leaderboard. Now suddenly, I see an influx of score over 0.6 which is very hard to achieve in only few tries. I understand many have used metric hack, but being a data scientist means the responsibility lies on us to use ethical techniques to get the best response. So, while I too have figured out how to hack the metric (after a lot of research), I am unwilling to make a submission using metric hack. I wholeheartedly accept being behind on the leaderboard using strong modeling techniques. For me, my principles matter more than end results, but, thats just me! Well, as it is often said, everything is fair in love and war.... and in Kaggle competition apparently!",
      "votes": 13,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2822271,
          "postDate": "2024-05-18T14:14:43.603Z",
          "content": "<p>I agree and I'm in your exact same position, but I do not want to waste weeks of work. I was in 100th position a couple days ago and now I'm 500+. If you dont want to lose all your work I think you should apply the metric trick to your best models and submit. Hopefully this levels the situation as it was without the hack. </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "I agree and I'm in your exact same position, but I do not want to waste weeks of work. I was in 100th position a couple days ago and now I'm 500+. If you dont want to lose all your work I think you should apply the metric trick to your best models and submit. Hopefully this levels the situation as it was without the hack. ",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2822349,
              "postDate": "2024-05-18T14:44:12.607Z",
              "content": "<p>Yes Andrea, I absolutely understand. But, being a mother of 2 young boys, I do not want to set an example for them that it is ok to take short cuts in life. I do agree that it will be disheartening to lose months of efforts in term of results, but, what I have learned will never be lost. Besides, if I don't make it to the top in this one, I will definitely make it in the next one. Btw, I jumped down from 57th to around 500th now. 😃</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Yes Andrea, I absolutely understand. But, being a mother of 2 young boys, I do not want to set an example for them that it is ok to take short cuts in life. I do agree that it will be disheartening to lose months of efforts in term of results, but, what I have learned will never be lost. Besides, if I don't make it to the top in this one, I will definitely make it in the next one. Btw, I jumped down from 57th to around 500th now. 😃",
              "votes": 8
            },
            {
              "id": 2830693,
              "postDate": "2024-05-23T09:48:55.990Z",
              "content": "<p>exactement cette compétence ne disparaitra jamais. vos enfants ont de la chance d'avoir un exemple comme vous </p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "exactement cette compétence ne disparaitra jamais. vos enfants ont de la chance d'avoir un exemple comme vous ",
              "votes": 1
            },
            {
              "id": 2834564,
              "postDate": "2024-05-24T20:09:20.980Z",
              "content": "<p>Thats very kind of you. Thank you.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Thats very kind of you. Thank you.",
              "votes": 2
            },
            {
              "id": 2838132,
              "postDate": "2024-05-26T20:28:49.803Z",
              "content": "<p>hi Andrea, I just started here too, but I think everything should take its time so that I can truly appreciate being in this community. If anyone needs to share, I'm looking for colleagues here and maybe to participate in a team. Good luck</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "hi Andrea, I just started here too, but I think everything should take its time so that I can truly appreciate being in this community. If anyone needs to share, I'm looking for colleagues here and maybe to participate in a team. Good luck"
            }
          ]
        },
        {
          "id": 2830687,
          "postDate": "2024-05-23T09:43:55.123Z",
          "content": "<p>entièrement d'accord avec toi si on abandonne nos principes pour des résultats alors la victoire n'a aucune saveur. la data science un domaine de cœur❤️. </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "entièrement d'accord avec toi si on abandonne nos principes pour des résultats alors la victoire n'a aucune saveur. la data science un domaine de cœur❤️. ",
          "votes": 1
        },
        {
          "id": 2837234,
          "postDate": "2024-05-26T11:34:49.157Z",
          "content": "<p>I am very pleased to see that this competition was a great motivation for you to work on your datasci skills. This is the best reward I can get after months of data preparation for this competition.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "I am very pleased to see that this competition was a great motivation for you to work on your datasci skills. This is the best reward I can get after months of data preparation for this competition.",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2838228,
              "postDate": "2024-05-27T00:27:13.513Z",
              "content": "<p>Thank you Daniel. This is the first time I have worked on such huge and diverse data. I have learned much more while working on this data than I have in the past few months put together. I appreciate all the efforts you and your team have put in and wish you get the best results from the top notebooks that you have been looking for.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Thank you Daniel. This is the first time I have worked on such huge and diverse data. I have learned much more while working on this data than I have in the past few months put together. I appreciate all the efforts you and your team have put in and wish you get the best results from the top notebooks that you have been looking for."
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2822478,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T16:01:08.867Z",
      "content": "<p>If the hack holds in private! this means that some will get gold for hack! (fastest gold medal ever for some accounts)<br>\nIt's been almost 4 years for me now on Kaggle and I am trying hard to earn gold! failed so far :/ </p>\n<p>I just wish hard work would pay off! Best of luck to you all! … </p>\n<p>I selected my final subs a week ago! no hacks is selected! </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "If the hack holds in private! this means that some will get gold for hack! (fastest gold medal ever for some accounts)\nIt's been almost 4 years for me now on Kaggle and I am trying hard to earn gold! failed so far :/ \n\nI just wish hard work would pay off! Best of luck to you all! ... \n\nI selected my final subs a week ago! no hacks is selected! \n\n",
      "votes": 8,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2823238,
          "postDate": "2024-05-19T05:11:41.767Z",
          "content": "<p>No hack but score 0.65?It is cool.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "No hack but score 0.65?It is cool.",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2823658,
              "postDate": "2024-05-19T10:45:41.593Z",
              "content": "<blockquote>\n  <p>I selected my final subs a week ago! no hacks is selected!</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>My current  (not selected) LB score is with the hack! I want to see how much I can push different approaches. </p>\n<p>But I already made my final selections (no hacks)</p>\n<p>by the way, my best notebook dropped to 0.488 with the hack! </p>",
              "rawMarkdown": ">I selected my final subs a week ago! no hacks is selected!\n\nMy current  (not selected) LB score is with the hack! I want to see how much I can push different approaches. \n\nBut I already made my final selections (no hacks)\n\nby the way, my best notebook dropped to 0.488 with the hack! ",
              "votes": 3
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2837703,
      "postDate": "2024-05-26T16:22:11.507Z",
      "content": "<p>I agree, that's not the best way to start.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I agree, that's not the best way to start.\n",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 2828223,
      "postDate": "2024-05-22T01:00:35.993Z",
      "content": "<p>At least there should be an investigation, <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/ravi20076\" target=\"_blank\">@ravi20076</a> </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "At least there should be an investigation, @ravi20076 ",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 2828208,
      "postDate": "2024-05-21T23:56:28.220Z",
      "content": "<p>This is my first time encountering such, it's hilarious</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This is my first time encountering such, it's hilarious",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 2822253,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T14:04:53.767Z",
      "content": "<p>While the metric hack issue is sad but ok, I hope that this problem, which has been blatantly happening for the past few days, will be addressed!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "While the metric hack issue is sad but ok, I hope that this problem, which has been blatantly happening for the past few days, will be addressed!",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 2821944,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T10:44:57.867Z",
      "content": "<p>I think Kaggle team has means to find out that one participant uses multiple accounts. I hope that will be resolved.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I think Kaggle team has means to find out that one participant uses multiple accounts. I hope that will be resolved.",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 2821686,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T07:40:37.527Z",
      "content": "<p>I have seen similar situations from time to time at other competitions. Perhaps it's such talented participants :). </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I have seen similar situations from time to time at other competitions. Perhaps it's such talented participants :). ",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821689,
          "postDate": "2024-05-18T07:43:28.620Z",
          "content": "<p>I respect their talent <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/bratkovskyevgeny\" target=\"_blank\">@bratkovskyevgeny</a> </p>\n<p>I think one needs special skills to have such talents too!</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "I respect their talent @bratkovskyevgeny \n\nI think one needs special skills to have such talents too!"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821504,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:20:49.447Z",
      "content": "<p>They are 'student' of some kaggle courses. Never saw them banned.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "They are 'student' of some kaggle courses. Never saw them banned.",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821527,
          "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:29:19.963Z",
          "content": "<p>So these students created accounts in the past day, joined the course, came here, built a superb model and directly went on win a prize!!</p>\n<p>They are either beyond measure talented/ cheating <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/yuanzhezhou\" target=\"_blank\">@yuanzhezhou</a> </p>\n<p>I would also be interested in taking such a course where one could win a prize with 1 day's activity on Kaggle!</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "So these students created accounts in the past day, joined the course, came here, built a superb model and directly went on win a prize!!\n\nThey are either beyond measure talented/ cheating @yuanzhezhou \n\nI would also be interested in taking such a course where one could win a prize with 1 day's activity on Kaggle!",
          "votes": 4,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2822012,
              "postDate": "2024-05-18T11:39:38.607Z",
              "rawMarkdown": "",
              "isDeleted": true
            }
          ]
        },
        {
          "id": 2837220,
          "postDate": "2024-05-26T11:22:27.153Z",
          "content": "<p>its almost impossible what you said to happen !!! </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "its almost impossible what you said to happen !!! ",
          "votes": 1
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821471,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:06:29.710Z",
      "content": "<p>I think kaggle team needs to look their rules carefully and update their rules depends on current scenario. now way someone join in last two days then can get top score, it so funny!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I think kaggle team needs to look their rules carefully and update their rules depends on current scenario. now way someone join in last two days then can get top score, it so funny!",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821479,
          "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:08:40.473Z",
          "rawMarkdown": "",
          "votes": -1,
          "isDeleted": true
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821495,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:15:06.513Z",
      "content": "<p>hahahaha they are so gifted!🤗</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "hahahaha they are so gifted!🤗",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821500,
          "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:18:29.407Z",
          "content": "<p>Yes of course! <br>\nTheir gifts will last for 2 weeks only <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/renxiaohan\" target=\"_blank\">@renxiaohan</a> </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Yes of course! \nTheir gifts will last for 2 weeks only @renxiaohan ",
          "votes": 2
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821461,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T05:55:07.567Z",
      "content": "<p>Pretty obvious to me lol.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Pretty obvious to me lol.",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821466,
          "postDate": "2024-05-18T05:56:51.493Z",
          "rawMarkdown": "",
          "votes": -1,
          "isDeleted": true
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2829651,
      "postDate": "2024-05-22T17:59:21.827Z",
      "content": "<p>I bet he will be disqualified. But hilarious situation indeed.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I bet he will be disqualified. But hilarious situation indeed.",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2830873,
          "postDate": "2024-05-23T11:59:34.397Z",
          "content": "<p>I agree, I think doing such things destroys one's reputation a lot. I suggest to avoid such activities for a sustainable Kaggle experience <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/marekgp\" target=\"_blank\">@marekgp</a> </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "I agree, I think doing such things destroys one's reputation a lot. I suggest to avoid such activities for a sustainable Kaggle experience @marekgp ",
          "votes": 2
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2838390,
      "postDate": "2024-05-27T02:35:57.343Z",
      "content": "<p>I believe kaggle org has enough methods to detect fraud if it exists, don't pay too much attention to them.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I believe kaggle org has enough methods to detect fraud if it exists, don't pay too much attention to them.",
      "votes": -2
    },
    {
      "id": 2821918,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T10:31:43.473Z",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": 1,
      "isDeleted": true
    },
    {
      "id": 2821524,
      "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:28:53.053Z",
      "content": "<p>Maybe kaggle officials can take a hard look at their code to see if they were “gifted” by the same people.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Maybe kaggle officials can take a hard look at their code to see if they were “gifted” by the same people.\n\n",
      "votes": 2,
      "isDeleted": true,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821529,
          "postDate": "2024-05-18T06:30:22.457Z",
          "content": "<p>Their gifts are likely to last till the end of the challenge! I am not surprised if a few of these fantastic submissions are deleted before te end of the competition too <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/shangjianzhong\" target=\"_blank\">@shangjianzhong</a> </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Their gifts are likely to last till the end of the challenge! I am not surprised if a few of these fantastic submissions are deleted before te end of the competition too @shangjianzhong ",
          "votes": 1
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2822256,
      "author_name": "Varuni Rao",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T14:06:40.823000",
      "content": "<p>I absolutely agree.. I am a contributor and this is my first competition. But, I have worked very hard over the past 3 months to study and understand the data and build multiple strong models to move up the leaderboard. Now suddenly, I see an influx of score over 0.6 which is very hard to achieve in only few tries. I understand many have used metric hack, but being a data scientist means the responsibility lies on us to use ethical techniques to get the best response. So, while I too have figured out how to hack the metric (after a lot of research), I am unwilling to make a submission using metric hack. I wholeheartedly accept being behind on the leaderboard using strong modeling techniques. For me, my principles matter more than end results, but, thats just me! Well, as it is often said, everything is fair in love and war…. and in Kaggle competition apparently!</p>",
      "votes": 13,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2822271,
          "author_name": "Andrea Pranzo",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-18T14:14:43.603000",
          "content": "<p>I agree and I'm in your exact same position, but I do not want to waste weeks of work. I was in 100th position a couple days ago and now I'm 500+. If you dont want to lose all your work I think you should apply the metric trick to your best models and submit. Hopefully this levels the situation as it was without the hack. </p>",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2822349,
              "author_name": "Varuni Rao",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-05-18T14:44:12.607000",
              "content": "<p>Yes Andrea, I absolutely understand. But, being a mother of 2 young boys, I do not want to set an example for them that it is ok to take short cuts in life. I do agree that it will be disheartening to lose months of efforts in term of results, but, what I have learned will never be lost. Besides, if I don't make it to the top in this one, I will definitely make it in the next one. Btw, I jumped down from 57th to around 500th now. 😃</p>",
              "votes": 8,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2830693,
              "author_name": "Valdini Douglace",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-05-23T09:48:55.990000",
              "content": "<p>exactement cette compétence ne disparaitra jamais. vos enfants ont de la chance d'avoir un exemple comme vous </p>",
              "votes": 1,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2834564,
              "author_name": "Varuni Rao",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-05-24T20:09:20.980000",
              "content": "<p>Thats very kind of you. Thank you.</p>",
              "votes": 2,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2838132,
              "author_name": "Juan Luis Acebal Rico",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-05-26T20:28:49.803000",
              "content": "<p>hi Andrea, I just started here too, but I think everything should take its time so that I can truly appreciate being in this community. If anyone needs to share, I'm looking for colleagues here and maybe to participate in a team. Good luck</p>",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        },
        {
          "id": 2830687,
          "author_name": "Valdini Douglace",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-23T09:43:55.123000",
          "content": "<p>entièrement d'accord avec toi si on abandonne nos principes pour des résultats alors la victoire n'a aucune saveur. la data science un domaine de cœur❤️. </p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 2837234,
          "author_name": "Daniel Herman",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-26T11:34:49.157000",
          "content": "<p>I am very pleased to see that this competition was a great motivation for you to work on your datasci skills. This is the best reward I can get after months of data preparation for this competition.</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2838228,
              "author_name": "Varuni Rao",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-05-27T00:27:13.513000",
              "content": "<p>Thank you Daniel. This is the first time I have worked on such huge and diverse data. I have learned much more while working on this data than I have in the past few months put together. I appreciate all the efforts you and your team have put in and wish you get the best results from the top notebooks that you have been looking for.</p>",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2822478,
      "author_name": "Ali",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T16:01:08.867000",
      "content": "<p>If the hack holds in private! this means that some will get gold for hack! (fastest gold medal ever for some accounts)<br>\nIt's been almost 4 years for me now on Kaggle and I am trying hard to earn gold! failed so far :/ </p>\n<p>I just wish hard work would pay off! Best of luck to you all! … </p>\n<p>I selected my final subs a week ago! no hacks is selected! </p>",
      "votes": 8,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2823238,
          "author_name": "五阴炽盛",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-19T05:11:41.767000",
          "content": "<p>No hack but score 0.65?It is cool.</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2823658,
              "author_name": "Ali",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-05-19T10:45:41.593000",
              "content": "<blockquote>\n  <p>I selected my final subs a week ago! no hacks is selected!</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>My current  (not selected) LB score is with the hack! I want to see how much I can push different approaches. </p>\n<p>But I already made my final selections (no hacks)</p>\n<p>by the way, my best notebook dropped to 0.488 with the hack! </p>",
              "votes": 3,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2837703,
      "author_name": "Ebenezer Ajiboye",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-26T16:22:11.507000",
      "content": "<p>I agree, that's not the best way to start.</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2828223,
      "author_name": "Muhammed Tausif",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-22T01:00:35.993000",
      "content": "<p>At least there should be an investigation, <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/ravi20076\" target=\"_blank\">@ravi20076</a> </p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2828208,
      "author_name": "Abiodun Shittu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-21T23:56:28.220000",
      "content": "<p>This is my first time encountering such, it's hilarious</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2822253,
      "author_name": "Nakanishi",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T14:04:53.767000",
      "content": "<p>While the metric hack issue is sad but ok, I hope that this problem, which has been blatantly happening for the past few days, will be addressed!</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2821944,
      "author_name": "Matous Famera",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T10:44:57.867000",
      "content": "<p>I think Kaggle team has means to find out that one participant uses multiple accounts. I hope that will be resolved.</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2821686,
      "author_name": "Evgeny Bratkovsky",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T07:40:37.527000",
      "content": "<p>I have seen similar situations from time to time at other competitions. Perhaps it's such talented participants :). </p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821689,
          "author_name": "Ravi Ramakrishnan",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-18T07:43:28.620000",
          "content": "<p>I respect their talent <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/bratkovskyevgeny\" target=\"_blank\">@bratkovskyevgeny</a> </p>\n<p>I think one needs special skills to have such talents too!</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821504,
      "author_name": "yuanzhe zhou",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:20:49.447000",
      "content": "<p>They are 'student' of some kaggle courses. Never saw them banned.</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821527,
          "author_name": "Ravi Ramakrishnan",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:29:19.963000",
          "content": "<p>So these students created accounts in the past day, joined the course, came here, built a superb model and directly went on win a prize!!</p>\n<p>They are either beyond measure talented/ cheating <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/yuanzhezhou\" target=\"_blank\">@yuanzhezhou</a> </p>\n<p>I would also be interested in taking such a course where one could win a prize with 1 day's activity on Kaggle!</p>",
          "votes": 4,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2822012,
              "author_name": "",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-05-18T11:39:38.607000",
              "content": "",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
            }
          ]
        },
        {
          "id": 2837220,
          "author_name": "Anil Kumar Reddy",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-26T11:22:27.153000",
          "content": "<p>its almost impossible what you said to happen !!! </p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821471,
      "author_name": "Yisak Birhanu Bule",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:06:29.710000",
      "content": "<p>I think kaggle team needs to look their rules carefully and update their rules depends on current scenario. now way someone join in last two days then can get top score, it so funny!</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821479,
          "author_name": "",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:08:40.473000",
          "content": "",
          "votes": -1,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821495,
      "author_name": "renxiaohan",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:15:06.513000",
      "content": "<p>hahahaha they are so gifted!🤗</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821500,
          "author_name": "Ravi Ramakrishnan",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:18:29.407000",
          "content": "<p>Yes of course! <br>\nTheir gifts will last for 2 weeks only <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/renxiaohan\" target=\"_blank\">@renxiaohan</a> </p>",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2821461,
      "author_name": "hongyi shui",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T05:55:07.567000",
      "content": "<p>Pretty obvious to me lol.</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821466,
          "author_name": "",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-18T05:56:51.493000",
          "content": "",
          "votes": -1,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2829651,
      "author_name": "Marek Przybyłowicz",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-22T17:59:21.827000",
      "content": "<p>I bet he will be disqualified. But hilarious situation indeed.</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2830873,
          "author_name": "Ravi Ramakrishnan",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-23T11:59:34.397000",
          "content": "<p>I agree, I think doing such things destroys one's reputation a lot. I suggest to avoid such activities for a sustainable Kaggle experience <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/marekgp\" target=\"_blank\">@marekgp</a> </p>",
          "votes": 2,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2838390,
      "author_name": "Anh Bui",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-27T02:35:57.343000",
      "content": "<p>I believe kaggle org has enough methods to detect fraud if it exists, don't pay too much attention to them.</p>",
      "votes": -2,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2821918,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T10:31:43.473000",
      "content": "",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2821524,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:28:53.053000",
      "content": "<p>Maybe kaggle officials can take a hard look at their code to see if they were “gifted” by the same people.</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2821529,
          "author_name": "Ravi Ramakrishnan",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-05-18T06:30:22.457000",
          "content": "<p>Their gifts are likely to last till the end of the challenge! I am not surprised if a few of these fantastic submissions are deleted before te end of the competition too <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/shangjianzhong\" target=\"_blank\">@shangjianzhong</a> </p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
  "raw_markdown_by_id": {
    "2821447": "Hello everyone, \n\nI observe quite a few novice/ contributor accounts at the top-end of the leaderboard with very few submissions and in a great rank. I checked some of these accounts and find that they are very recently created as well. Here is an example of one such account at the very top end of the leaderboard-\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2F91c9d03bab4561a8f79ef938ccf057c0%2FDubiousAccount1.png?generation=1716011064024169&alt=media)\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F8273630%2Fa9ab6ed4af94d21e266b9eedb0b5150e%2FDubiousAccount2.png?generation=1716011138797130&alt=media)\n\nIn this case, the said individual directly joined Kaggle in the past 24-28 hours, logged into the competition, built a superb model and submitted 10 times in 2 days and received a gold position!!! \n\nAlthough this is feasible, I wonder how these participants suddenly joined Kaggle in the past 2-4 days, built models and submitted exactly on-point to secure a silver/ gold place in the public leaderboard as on date? \n\nI do not wish to pin-point anyone, but this accretion of novice/ contributor accounts with submissions in the past 6-12 hours and a direct entry to the gold/ high silver zone instills a seed of doubt for sure. \n\nI hope these cases are dealt with appropriately, if applicable. \n\nBest regards.",
    "2822256": "I absolutely agree.. I am a contributor and this is my first competition. But, I have worked very hard over the past 3 months to study and understand the data and build multiple strong models to move up the leaderboard. Now suddenly, I see an influx of score over 0.6 which is very hard to achieve in only few tries. I understand many have used metric hack, but being a data scientist means the responsibility lies on us to use ethical techniques to get the best response. So, while I too have figured out how to hack the metric (after a lot of research), I am unwilling to make a submission using metric hack. I wholeheartedly accept being behind on the leaderboard using strong modeling techniques. For me, my principles matter more than end results, but, thats just me! Well, as it is often said, everything is fair in love and war.... and in Kaggle competition apparently!",
    "2822478": "If the hack holds in private! this means that some will get gold for hack! (fastest gold medal ever for some accounts)\nIt's been almost 4 years for me now on Kaggle and I am trying hard to earn gold! failed so far :/ \n\nI just wish hard work would pay off! Best of luck to you all! ... \n\nI selected my final subs a week ago! no hacks is selected! \n\n",
    "2837703": "I agree, that's not the best way to start.\n",
    "2828223": "At least there should be an investigation, @ravi20076 ",
    "2828208": "This is my first time encountering such, it's hilarious",
    "2822253": "While the metric hack issue is sad but ok, I hope that this problem, which has been blatantly happening for the past few days, will be addressed!",
    "2821944": "I think Kaggle team has means to find out that one participant uses multiple accounts. I hope that will be resolved.",
    "2821686": "I have seen similar situations from time to time at other competitions. Perhaps it's such talented participants :). ",
    "2821504": "They are 'student' of some kaggle courses. Never saw them banned.",
    "2821471": "I think kaggle team needs to look their rules carefully and update their rules depends on current scenario. now way someone join in last two days then can get top score, it so funny!",
    "2821495": "hahahaha they are so gifted!🤗",
    "2821461": "Pretty obvious to me lol.",
    "2829651": "I bet he will be disqualified. But hilarious situation indeed.",
    "2838390": "I believe kaggle org has enough methods to detect fraud if it exists, don't pay too much attention to them.",
    "2821918": "",
    "2821524": "Maybe kaggle officials can take a hard look at their code to see if they were “gifted” by the same people.\n\n"
  }
}