{
  "id": 472851,
  "title": "Spectrogram New chain",
  "url": "/competitions/hms-harmful-brain-activity-classification/discussion/472851",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2024-02-02T11:33:35.441408100Z",
  "votes": 17,
  "comment_count": 6,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Hi, kagglers!</p>\n<p>There are few data in patient, eeg, spectrogram[it seems like to need <strong>Augmentation</strong>]</p>\n<p>Image augmentation is good strategy to score higher<br>\nAlso, there are good Data Augmentations</p>\n<p><strong>[noise addition, generative adversarial networks, sliding windows, sampling, Fourier transform,\nrecombination of segmentation, and others]</strong></p>\n<p>In this paper: <a href=\"https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165027020303083\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165027020303083</a></p>\n<p>🛑<strong>\"Noise Addition and sliding windows provied the highest accuract boost\"</strong></p>\n<p>And then when studying chris notebook[eeg-&gt;spectrogram], i have a idea with new chain in spectrogram</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F16438831%2F323ac8c4b8dcc4d3bb7e030ee6d058a0%2Feeg.PNG?generation=1706873182811844&amp;alt=media\"></p>\n<ul>\n<li><p>We need to classify <code>Lateral</code> or <code>General</code>, so it seems like making with [T3, C3, T4, C4] is not that good option</p></li>\n<li><p><code>FL,FR,PL,PR</code> is also 4 part with [LL, LP, RP, RR], But it is divided by <code>front &amp; back</code> </p></li>\n<li><p>And We have classify <code>others</code>, and new chain can helpful to detect <code>others</code></p></li>\n</ul>\n<p>🚩 It is just my own idea, and i'm not sure it will be effective. Feel free to your opinion!</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "2632487",
      "postDate": "02/02/2024 11:33:35",
      "content": "<p>Hi, kagglers!</p>\n<p>There are few data in patient, eeg, spectrogram[it seems like to need <strong>Augmentation</strong>]</p>\n<p>Image augmentation is good strategy to score higher<br>\nAlso, there are good Data Augmentations</p>\n<p><strong>[noise addition, generative adversarial networks, sliding windows, sampling, Fourier transform,\nrecombination of segmentation, and others]</strong></p>\n<p>In this paper: <a href=\"https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165027020303083\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165027020303083</a></p>\n<p>🛑<strong>\"Noise Addition and sliding windows provied the highest accuract boost\"</strong></p>\n<p>And then when studying chris notebook[eeg-&gt;spectrogram], i have a idea with new chain in spectrogram</p>\n<p><img src=\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F16438831%2F323ac8c4b8dcc4d3bb7e030ee6d058a0%2Feeg.PNG?generation=1706873182811844&amp;alt=media\"></p>\n<ul>\n<li><p>We need to classify <code>Lateral</code> or <code>General</code>, so it seems like making with [T3, C3, T4, C4] is not that good option</p></li>\n<li><p><code>FL,FR,PL,PR</code> is also 4 part with [LL, LP, RP, RR], But it is divided by <code>front &amp; back</code> </p></li>\n<li><p>And We have classify <code>others</code>, and new chain can helpful to detect <code>others</code></p></li>\n</ul>\n<p>🚩 It is just my own idea, and i'm not sure it will be effective. Feel free to your opinion!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi, kagglers!\n\nThere are few data in patient, eeg, spectrogram[it seems like to need **Augmentation**]\n\nImage augmentation is good strategy to score higher\nAlso, there are good Data Augmentations\n\n**[noise addition, generative adversarial networks, sliding windows, sampling, Fourier transform,\nrecombination of segmentation, and others]**\n\nIn this paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165027020303083\n\n🛑**\"Noise Addition and sliding windows provied the highest accuract boost\"**\n\nAnd then when studying chris notebook[eeg->spectrogram], i have a idea with new chain in spectrogram\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F16438831%2F323ac8c4b8dcc4d3bb7e030ee6d058a0%2Feeg.PNG?generation=1706873182811844&alt=media)\n\n- We need to classify `Lateral` or `General`, so it seems like making with [T3, C3, T4, C4] is not that good option\n\n- `FL,FR,PL,PR` is also 4 part with [LL, LP, RP, RR], But it is divided by `front & back` \n\n- And We have classify `others`, and new chain can helpful to detect `others`\n \n\n🚩 It is just my own idea, and i'm not sure it will be effective. Feel free to your opinion!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2632510",
      "postDate": "02/02/2024 11:54:39",
      "content": "<p>My Notebook[New chain without denosing]</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-none\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-none</a></p>\n<p>My Notebook[New chain with denosing(demy)]</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-dmey\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-dmey</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "My Notebook[New chain without denosing]\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-none\n\nMy Notebook[New chain with denosing(demy)]\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-dmey",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2634067",
      "postDate": "02/03/2024 13:23:04",
      "content": "<p>I liked the idea, I believe it could be interesting, even if it doesn't lower the score, it could be another way of generating diversity in the model.</p>\n<p>One point that I believe can be tested is the use of Fz, Cz, Pz, possibly they can provide additional information, what do you think about that?</p>\n<p>Another point is that [T3, C3] are sharing two sides FL and PL, this could harm the final analysis, what is your opinion?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I liked the idea, I believe it could be interesting, even if it doesn't lower the score, it could be another way of generating diversity in the model.\n\nOne point that I believe can be tested is the use of Fz, Cz, Pz, possibly they can provide additional information, what do you think about that?\n\nAnother point is that [T3, C3] are sharing two sides FL and PL, this could harm the final analysis, what is your opinion?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2636436",
      "postDate": "02/05/2024 05:03:58",
      "content": "<p>Yes, i'm also focusing on generating diversity in the model, Because i think the potential for characteristics to vary significantly among patients is very high! </p>\n<ul>\n<li>I think To try make montage about [Fz, Cz, Pz] is good idea, I'm just focusing on making montage by left or right </li>\n<li>Sharing with [T3, C3] in FL &amp; PL could harm the final analysis, But, I think it's not that good option to make [T3, C3, Cz, T4, C4]</li>\n</ul>\n<p>There're still a lot of experiments in spectrogram😀 Keep Customizing!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Yes, i'm also focusing on generating diversity in the model, Because i think the potential for characteristics to vary significantly among patients is very high! \n\n- I think To try make montage about [Fz, Cz, Pz] is good idea, I'm just focusing on making montage by left or right \n- Sharing with [T3, C3] in FL & PL could harm the final analysis, But, I think it's not that good option to make [T3, C3, Cz, T4, C4]\n\nThere're still a lot of experiments in spectrogram😀 Keep Customizing!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2637045",
      "postDate": "02/05/2024 13:22:09",
      "content": "<p>Nice, tks from responding Peter, let's do yours experiments</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Nice, tks from responding Peter, let's do yours experiments",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2658567",
      "postDate": "02/19/2024 09:20:11",
      "content": "<p>Thank you for sharing your idea! I have two questions regarding the [Fz, Cz, Pz] montage—I'm not sure if it's relevant. Is there a specific medical rationale or clinical justification behind choosing this particular montage for EEG data analysis, or is it more of a methodological consideration tied to the classification of brain activity into seizure, generalized, lateralized, or other classes? If you experimented with this montage [Fz, Cz, Pz], what kind of brain activity can it effectively detect?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for sharing your idea! I have two questions regarding the [Fz, Cz, Pz] montage—I'm not sure if it's relevant. Is there a specific medical rationale or clinical justification behind choosing this particular montage for EEG data analysis, or is it more of a methodological consideration tied to the classification of brain activity into seizure, generalized, lateralized, or other classes? If you experimented with this montage [Fz, Cz, Pz], what kind of brain activity can it effectively detect?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "2658911",
      "postDate": "02/19/2024 13:47:42",
      "content": "<p>Playing around with using the centerlines myself - but a key point to remember - we are modeling to predict what the expert's say, so likely we should be using the montages that they use.  Read the <a href=\"https://www.acns.org/UserFiles/file/ACNSStandardizedCriticalCareEEGTerminology_rev2021.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">ACNS Guidelines</a>, visit the web site and watch the 4 videos.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Playing around with using the centerlines myself - but a key point to remember - we are modeling to predict what the expert's say, so likely we should be using the montages that they use.  Read the [ACNS Guidelines](https://www.acns.org/UserFiles/file/ACNSStandardizedCriticalCareEEGTerminology_rev2021.pdf), visit the web site and watch the 4 videos.",
      "votes": null
    }
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  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 2632510,
      "author_name": "seoyunje",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/02/2024 11:54:39",
      "content": "<p>My Notebook[New chain without denosing]</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-none\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-none</a></p>\n<p>My Notebook[New chain with denosing(demy)]</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-dmey\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-dmey</a></p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 2634067,
      "author_name": "rafaelzimmermann1",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/03/2024 13:23:04",
      "content": "<p>I liked the idea, I believe it could be interesting, even if it doesn't lower the score, it could be another way of generating diversity in the model.</p>\n<p>One point that I believe can be tested is the use of Fz, Cz, Pz, possibly they can provide additional information, what do you think about that?</p>\n<p>Another point is that [T3, C3] are sharing two sides FL and PL, this could harm the final analysis, what is your opinion?</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2636436,
          "author_name": "seoyunje",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/05/2024 05:03:58",
          "content": "<p>Yes, i'm also focusing on generating diversity in the model, Because i think the potential for characteristics to vary significantly among patients is very high! </p>\n<ul>\n<li>I think To try make montage about [Fz, Cz, Pz] is good idea, I'm just focusing on making montage by left or right </li>\n<li>Sharing with [T3, C3] in FL &amp; PL could harm the final analysis, But, I think it's not that good option to make [T3, C3, Cz, T4, C4]</li>\n</ul>\n<p>There're still a lot of experiments in spectrogram😀 Keep Customizing!</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2637045,
              "author_name": "rafaelzimmermann1",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "02/05/2024 13:22:09",
              "content": "<p>Nice, tks from responding Peter, let's do yours experiments</p>",
              "votes": null,
              "replies": [
                {
                  "id": 2658567,
                  "author_name": "theeventhorizons",
                  "author_url": "",
                  "post_date": "02/19/2024 09:20:11",
                  "content": "<p>Thank you for sharing your idea! I have two questions regarding the [Fz, Cz, Pz] montage—I'm not sure if it's relevant. Is there a specific medical rationale or clinical justification behind choosing this particular montage for EEG data analysis, or is it more of a methodological consideration tied to the classification of brain activity into seizure, generalized, lateralized, or other classes? If you experimented with this montage [Fz, Cz, Pz], what kind of brain activity can it effectively detect?</p>",
                  "votes": null,
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    {
      "id": 2658911,
      "author_name": "pcjimmmy",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/19/2024 13:47:42",
      "content": "<p>Playing around with using the centerlines myself - but a key point to remember - we are modeling to predict what the expert's say, so likely we should be using the montages that they use.  Read the <a href=\"https://www.acns.org/UserFiles/file/ACNSStandardizedCriticalCareEEGTerminology_rev2021.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">ACNS Guidelines</a>, visit the web site and watch the 4 videos.</p>",
      "votes": null,
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    "2632487": "Hi, kagglers!\n\nThere are few data in patient, eeg, spectrogram[it seems like to need **Augmentation**]\n\nImage augmentation is good strategy to score higher\nAlso, there are good Data Augmentations\n\n**[noise addition, generative adversarial networks, sliding windows, sampling, Fourier transform,\nrecombination of segmentation, and others]**\n\nIn this paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165027020303083\n\n🛑**\"Noise Addition and sliding windows provied the highest accuract boost\"**\n\nAnd then when studying chris notebook[eeg->spectrogram], i have a idea with new chain in spectrogram\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F16438831%2F323ac8c4b8dcc4d3bb7e030ee6d058a0%2Feeg.PNG?generation=1706873182811844&alt=media)\n\n- We need to classify `Lateral` or `General`, so it seems like making with [T3, C3, T4, C4] is not that good option\n\n- `FL,FR,PL,PR` is also 4 part with [LL, LP, RP, RR], But it is divided by `front & back` \n\n- And We have classify `others`, and new chain can helpful to detect `others`\n \n\n🚩 It is just my own idea, and i'm not sure it will be effective. Feel free to your opinion!",
    "2632510": "My Notebook[New chain without denosing]\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-none\n\nMy Notebook[New chain with denosing(demy)]\n\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/seoyunje/hms-new-chain-with-dmey",
    "2634067": "I liked the idea, I believe it could be interesting, even if it doesn't lower the score, it could be another way of generating diversity in the model.\n\nOne point that I believe can be tested is the use of Fz, Cz, Pz, possibly they can provide additional information, what do you think about that?\n\nAnother point is that [T3, C3] are sharing two sides FL and PL, this could harm the final analysis, what is your opinion?",
    "2636436": "Yes, i'm also focusing on generating diversity in the model, Because i think the potential for characteristics to vary significantly among patients is very high! \n\n- I think To try make montage about [Fz, Cz, Pz] is good idea, I'm just focusing on making montage by left or right \n- Sharing with [T3, C3] in FL & PL could harm the final analysis, But, I think it's not that good option to make [T3, C3, Cz, T4, C4]\n\nThere're still a lot of experiments in spectrogram😀 Keep Customizing!",
    "2637045": "Nice, tks from responding Peter, let's do yours experiments",
    "2658567": "Thank you for sharing your idea! I have two questions regarding the [Fz, Cz, Pz] montage—I'm not sure if it's relevant. Is there a specific medical rationale or clinical justification behind choosing this particular montage for EEG data analysis, or is it more of a methodological consideration tied to the classification of brain activity into seizure, generalized, lateralized, or other classes? If you experimented with this montage [Fz, Cz, Pz], what kind of brain activity can it effectively detect?",
    "2658911": "Playing around with using the centerlines myself - but a key point to remember - we are modeling to predict what the expert's say, so likely we should be using the montages that they use.  Read the [ACNS Guidelines](https://www.acns.org/UserFiles/file/ACNSStandardizedCriticalCareEEGTerminology_rev2021.pdf), visit the web site and watch the 4 videos."
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