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  "id": 253062,
  "title": "Why do noise (target = 0) have a wave like pattern?",
  "url": "/competitions/g2net-gravitational-wave-detection/discussion/253062",
  "author_name": "AkashChandrayan",
  "post_date": "2021-07-14T19:20:08.179000",
  "votes": 3,
  "comment_count": 6,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>I am curious why the target = 0 have a wave like pattern. Shouldn't it be more like white noise? <br>\n<a href=\"https://i.ibb.co/j3KMG4q/image.png\" target=\"_blank\">https://i.ibb.co/j3KMG4q/image.png</a></p>",
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    {
      "id": 1388286,
      "postDate": "2021-07-14T19:20:08.180Z",
      "content": "<p>I am curious why the target = 0 have a wave like pattern. Shouldn't it be more like white noise? <br>\n<a href=\"https://i.ibb.co/j3KMG4q/image.png\" target=\"_blank\">https://i.ibb.co/j3KMG4q/image.png</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I am curious why the target = 0 have a wave like pattern. Shouldn't it be more like white noise? \nhttps://i.ibb.co/j3KMG4q/image.png\n",
      "votes": 3
    },
    {
      "id": 1394263,
      "postDate": "2021-07-20T08:59:53.337Z",
      "content": "<p>Hi,</p>\n<p>Just to be clear, the target=0 data do not contain any gravitational waves (GW). A single GW contains an inspiral phase (the black hoes orbiting each other), a merger phase (the black holes forming a single black hole), and a ring-down phase (the single perturbed black hole having a decaying oscillation). This is the classic compact binary coalescence signal shown in the image on the Overview page. What you are showing in your attached plots is just the low frequency noise from the detector - not to be confused for a signal. I hope this helps.</p>\n<p>Chris</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi,\n\nJust to be clear, the target=0 data do not contain any gravitational waves (GW). A single GW contains an inspiral phase (the black hoes orbiting each other), a merger phase (the black holes forming a single black hole), and a ring-down phase (the single perturbed black hole having a decaying oscillation). This is the classic compact binary coalescence signal shown in the image on the Overview page. What you are showing in your attached plots is just the low frequency noise from the detector - not to be confused for a signal. I hope this helps.\n\nChris",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 1561273,
      "postDate": "2021-10-27T13:11:34.650Z",
      "content": "<p>Hey All,</p>\n<p>Thank you all for taking part in our competition. The participation has been overwhelmingly positive. We are currently conducting a survey to gauge the demographic and outreach achieved. Kindly spare 2min and fill in this survey <a href=\"https://forms.gle/QP9L16niPexozyhu5\" target=\"_blank\">https://forms.gle/QP9L16niPexozyhu5</a>.</p>\n<p>Thank you all,</p>\n<p>Regards,<br>\nChris</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hey All,\n\nThank you all for taking part in our competition. The participation has been overwhelmingly positive. We are currently conducting a survey to gauge the demographic and outreach achieved. Kindly spare 2min and fill in this survey https://forms.gle/QP9L16niPexozyhu5.\n\nThank you all,\n\nRegards,\nChris"
    },
    {
      "id": 1390695,
      "postDate": "2021-07-17T01:54:49.843Z",
      "content": "<p>Okay, but can it be this way? 0= Inspiral and 1=Merger? <a href=\"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrI1pzosjfue0PONZTNBXrn0cgbnCm2t/view?usp=sharing\" target=\"_blank\">screenshot</a></p>\n<p>\"In nearly all cases (unlike the first gravitational wave detection GW150914) these signals are not visible by eye in the time series\" - from Kaggle Data Description</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Okay, but can it be this way? 0= Inspiral and 1=Merger? [screenshot](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrI1pzosjfue0PONZTNBXrn0cgbnCm2t/view?usp=sharing)\n\n\"In nearly all cases (unlike the first gravitational wave detection GW150914) these signals are not visible by eye in the time series\" - from Kaggle Data Description",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1390716,
          "postDate": "2021-07-17T03:20:49.780Z",
          "content": "<p>But shouldn’t all inspiral phase be target = 1, as they are also gravitational waves? Also shouldn’t all inspiral lead to merger?</p>\n<p>My sense is that as their are systematic sources of noise, they probably cause strain to behave in a periodic way. The way data is generated is by modeling this noise and that might be leading to wave like pattern even when target = 0. </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "But shouldn’t all inspiral phase be target = 1, as they are also gravitational waves? Also shouldn’t all inspiral lead to merger?\n\nMy sense is that as their are systematic sources of noise, they probably cause strain to behave in a periodic way. The way data is generated is by modeling this noise and that might be leading to wave like pattern even when target = 0. \n\n\n",
          "votes": 1
        },
        {
          "id": 1390732,
          "postDate": "2021-07-17T03:48:09.770Z",
          "content": "<p>yes, inspiral should also be in target = 1</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "yes, inspiral should also be in target = 1"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1388508,
      "postDate": "2021-07-15T02:59:20.143Z",
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    {
      "id": 1394263,
      "author_name": "Chris Messenger",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2021-07-20T08:59:53.337000",
      "content": "<p>Hi,</p>\n<p>Just to be clear, the target=0 data do not contain any gravitational waves (GW). A single GW contains an inspiral phase (the black hoes orbiting each other), a merger phase (the black holes forming a single black hole), and a ring-down phase (the single perturbed black hole having a decaying oscillation). This is the classic compact binary coalescence signal shown in the image on the Overview page. What you are showing in your attached plots is just the low frequency noise from the detector - not to be confused for a signal. I hope this helps.</p>\n<p>Chris</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1561273,
      "author_name": "ChristopherZerafa",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2021-10-27T13:11:34.650000",
      "content": "<p>Hey All,</p>\n<p>Thank you all for taking part in our competition. The participation has been overwhelmingly positive. We are currently conducting a survey to gauge the demographic and outreach achieved. Kindly spare 2min and fill in this survey <a href=\"https://forms.gle/QP9L16niPexozyhu5\" target=\"_blank\">https://forms.gle/QP9L16niPexozyhu5</a>.</p>\n<p>Thank you all,</p>\n<p>Regards,<br>\nChris</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1390695,
      "author_name": "G Allan Tob",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2021-07-17T01:54:49.843000",
      "content": "<p>Okay, but can it be this way? 0= Inspiral and 1=Merger? <a href=\"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrI1pzosjfue0PONZTNBXrn0cgbnCm2t/view?usp=sharing\" target=\"_blank\">screenshot</a></p>\n<p>\"In nearly all cases (unlike the first gravitational wave detection GW150914) these signals are not visible by eye in the time series\" - from Kaggle Data Description</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1390716,
          "author_name": "AkashChandrayan",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2021-07-17T03:20:49.780000",
          "content": "<p>But shouldn’t all inspiral phase be target = 1, as they are also gravitational waves? Also shouldn’t all inspiral lead to merger?</p>\n<p>My sense is that as their are systematic sources of noise, they probably cause strain to behave in a periodic way. The way data is generated is by modeling this noise and that might be leading to wave like pattern even when target = 0. </p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1390732,
          "author_name": "G Allan Tob",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2021-07-17T03:48:09.770000",
          "content": "<p>yes, inspiral should also be in target = 1</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
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      "id": 1388508,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2021-07-15T02:59:20.143000",
      "content": "",
      "votes": 0,
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    "1388286": "I am curious why the target = 0 have a wave like pattern. Shouldn't it be more like white noise? \nhttps://i.ibb.co/j3KMG4q/image.png\n",
    "1394263": "Hi,\n\nJust to be clear, the target=0 data do not contain any gravitational waves (GW). A single GW contains an inspiral phase (the black hoes orbiting each other), a merger phase (the black holes forming a single black hole), and a ring-down phase (the single perturbed black hole having a decaying oscillation). This is the classic compact binary coalescence signal shown in the image on the Overview page. What you are showing in your attached plots is just the low frequency noise from the detector - not to be confused for a signal. I hope this helps.\n\nChris",
    "1561273": "Hey All,\n\nThank you all for taking part in our competition. The participation has been overwhelmingly positive. We are currently conducting a survey to gauge the demographic and outreach achieved. Kindly spare 2min and fill in this survey https://forms.gle/QP9L16niPexozyhu5.\n\nThank you all,\n\nRegards,\nChris",
    "1390695": "Okay, but can it be this way? 0= Inspiral and 1=Merger? [screenshot](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrI1pzosjfue0PONZTNBXrn0cgbnCm2t/view?usp=sharing)\n\n\"In nearly all cases (unlike the first gravitational wave detection GW150914) these signals are not visible by eye in the time series\" - from Kaggle Data Description",
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