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  "id": 6259,
  "title": "Messages from Simulator",
  "url": "/competitions/flight2-main/discussion/6259",
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  "post_date": "2013-11-08T10:14:36.030Z",
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  "content": "<p>Hi, this might be a stupid question, but in the simulator for the Milestone I remember not to have to loock for the messages (and hence have no clue where they were). But now I just get the Logs (with only info Crashed or Landed due to Restricted Zone or not, but not info like &quot;out of fuel&quot;) and the simulator run in Terminal just prints how many messages there are but not the content.</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>Any help, as how to show them in the terminal or as to where they are located would be deeply appreciated!</p>",
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      "id": "33409",
      "postDate": "11/08/2013 10:14:36",
      "content": "<p>Hi, this might be a stupid question, but in the simulator for the Milestone I remember not to have to loock for the messages (and hence have no clue where they were). But now I just get the Logs (with only info Crashed or Landed due to Restricted Zone or not, but not info like &quot;out of fuel&quot;) and the simulator run in Terminal just prints how many messages there are but not the content.</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>Any help, as how to show them in the terminal or as to where they are located would be deeply appreciated!</p>",
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    {
      "id": "33419",
      "postDate": "11/08/2013 13:16:13",
      "content": "<p>Your configuration file contains the information in which directory the simulator stores the log files. The defaults is &quot;/Logs&quot; directory, which you should find in the same directory where the simulator data is hold.</p>",
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    {
      "id": "33420",
      "postDate": "11/08/2013 13:28:16",
      "content": "<p>Thanks DerDas MAchenMuss (funny name btw), but this is not what I was after, it gives you only the logs like:</p>\n<p><code><em>FlightId,Latitude,Longitude,Easting,Northing,ElapsedTime,AirSpeed,GroundSpeed,Altitude,FuelConsumed,InRestrictedZones,InTurbulentZones,Weight,Status</em></code></p>\n<p><code><em>308663982,34.7063439547073,-105.627201523354,-531.848256061346,606.516968929577,0.299,491.10,463.20,26886.34,1546.48,False,False,131497.32,Flying</em></code></p>\n<p><code><em>308663982,34.6327467749327,-105.604455645137,-531.062656424121,601.957080407793,0.309,488.73,462.71,27989.59,1644.58,False,False,131399.22,Flying</em></code><code></code><code></code></p>\n<p>But not info like 'out of fuel', 'cannot land at airport XXXX', etc., i.e the content of messages (defined in messages.fs and attached to the log structure somewhere in the code).</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>",
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      "id": "35825",
      "postDate": "12/04/2013 14:34:51",
      "content": "<p>Hi,</p>\n<p>Does the fuel consumed column in the flightlog mean fuel consumed from the start of the flight or from the cutoff time?</p>\n<p>Thanks in advance!</p>",
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    {
      "id": "35920",
      "postDate": "12/06/2013 21:52:54",
      "content": "<p>If you look at any log file, you see that fuel consumed does not start at zero... and since you start to fly from the cutoff ;-)</p>",
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    {
      "id": "36741",
      "postDate": "12/28/2013 01:17:53",
      "content": "<p>Is there any way to know if any plane, on the current leaderboard submissions is not landing? I'm experiencing a significant difference from local score and leaderboard score, big enough to suspect of 1-2 planes not landing. But I cannot recreate a similar score locally!! Would be much appreciated!</p>",
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    {
      "id": "36753",
      "postDate": "12/28/2013 14:21:17",
      "content": "<p>A couple of things you've probably already thought of, but anyway...</p>\n<p>A quick and dirty way to test for sensitivity to weather is to swap around the weather from different days, which can be done simply by renaming the files.</p>\n<p>The leaderboard score incudes some days but not others, which skews the average.</p>\n<p>[quote=Alessandro Mariani;36741]</p>\n<p>Is there any way to know if any plane, on the current leaderboard submissions is not landing? I'm experiencing a significant difference from local score and leaderboard score, big enough to suspect of 1-2 planes not landing. But I cannot recreate a similar score locally!! Would be much appreciated!</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>XXX</p>",
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    {
      "id": "36755",
      "postDate": "12/28/2013 14:32:21",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Alessandro Mariani;36741]</p>\n<p>Is there any way to know if any plane, on the current leaderboard submissions is not landing? I'm experiencing a significant difference from local score and leaderboard score, big enough to suspect of 1-2 planes not landing. But I cannot recreate a similar score locally!! Would be much appreciated!</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>Hi Alessandro,</p>\n<p>I think there are two possibilities why a flight that is landing locally isn't on the LB.</p>\n<p>1. strong headwind in LB and not in your local simulation. (not very likely but possible)</p>\n<p>2. a combination of different actualLanding, Takeoff, groundConditions and wind will sometimes cause a plane not to land. I am not sure how exactly and if I knew I don't know if I would tell you :-) But if you do some simulations with different Landing, Takeoff and ground files I think you will notice planes not landing as they have been done before and vice versa.</p>",
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    {
      "id": "36828",
      "postDate": "12/30/2013 17:51:40",
      "content": "<p>Jules, can you be more specific about you second point? It is reproducible somehow?</p>\n<p>[quote=glazed;36753]</p>\n<p>A couple of things you've probably already thought of, but anyway...</p>\n<p>A quick and dirty way to test for sensitivity to weather is to swap around the weather from different days, which can be done simply by renaming the files.</p>\n<p>The leaderboard score incudes some days but not others, which skews the average.</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>Tried, but everything is landing without a problem.. thanks for the hint anyway!</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>",
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    {
      "id": "36871",
      "postDate": "12/31/2013 12:12:46",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Alessandro Mariani;36828]</p>\n<p>Jules, can you be more specific about you second point? It is reproducible somehow?</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>I had some flights which crashed locally (long) after they had steered away from the restricted zones and not because of a lack of fuel, depending on a combination of wind and actualLanding/actualTakeoff/ground files.. I will try to narrow it down next year.</p>",
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      "id": 33419,
      "author_name": "derdasmachenmuss",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "11/08/2013 13:16:13",
      "content": "<p>Your configuration file contains the information in which directory the simulator stores the log files. The defaults is &quot;/Logs&quot; directory, which you should find in the same directory where the simulator data is hold.</p>",
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    {
      "id": 33420,
      "author_name": "sandros",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "11/08/2013 13:28:16",
      "content": "<p>Thanks DerDas MAchenMuss (funny name btw), but this is not what I was after, it gives you only the logs like:</p>\n<p><code><em>FlightId,Latitude,Longitude,Easting,Northing,ElapsedTime,AirSpeed,GroundSpeed,Altitude,FuelConsumed,InRestrictedZones,InTurbulentZones,Weight,Status</em></code></p>\n<p><code><em>308663982,34.7063439547073,-105.627201523354,-531.848256061346,606.516968929577,0.299,491.10,463.20,26886.34,1546.48,False,False,131497.32,Flying</em></code></p>\n<p><code><em>308663982,34.6327467749327,-105.604455645137,-531.062656424121,601.957080407793,0.309,488.73,462.71,27989.59,1644.58,False,False,131399.22,Flying</em></code><code></code><code></code></p>\n<p>But not info like 'out of fuel', 'cannot land at airport XXXX', etc., i.e the content of messages (defined in messages.fs and attached to the log structure somewhere in the code).</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>",
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    {
      "id": 35825,
      "author_name": "pallavi125220",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/04/2013 14:34:51",
      "content": "<p>Hi,</p>\n<p>Does the fuel consumed column in the flightlog mean fuel consumed from the start of the flight or from the cutoff time?</p>\n<p>Thanks in advance!</p>",
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    {
      "id": 35920,
      "author_name": "sandros",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/06/2013 21:52:54",
      "content": "<p>If you look at any log file, you see that fuel consumed does not start at zero... and since you start to fly from the cutoff ;-)</p>",
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    {
      "id": 36741,
      "author_name": "alzmcr",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/28/2013 01:17:53",
      "content": "<p>Is there any way to know if any plane, on the current leaderboard submissions is not landing? I'm experiencing a significant difference from local score and leaderboard score, big enough to suspect of 1-2 planes not landing. But I cannot recreate a similar score locally!! Would be much appreciated!</p>",
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      "id": 36753,
      "author_name": "glazed",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/28/2013 14:21:17",
      "content": "<p>A couple of things you've probably already thought of, but anyway...</p>\n<p>A quick and dirty way to test for sensitivity to weather is to swap around the weather from different days, which can be done simply by renaming the files.</p>\n<p>The leaderboard score incudes some days but not others, which skews the average.</p>\n<p>[quote=Alessandro Mariani;36741]</p>\n<p>Is there any way to know if any plane, on the current leaderboard submissions is not landing? I'm experiencing a significant difference from local score and leaderboard score, big enough to suspect of 1-2 planes not landing. But I cannot recreate a similar score locally!! Would be much appreciated!</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>XXX</p>",
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      "id": 36755,
      "author_name": "julesvanligtenberg",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/28/2013 14:32:21",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Alessandro Mariani;36741]</p>\n<p>Is there any way to know if any plane, on the current leaderboard submissions is not landing? I'm experiencing a significant difference from local score and leaderboard score, big enough to suspect of 1-2 planes not landing. But I cannot recreate a similar score locally!! Would be much appreciated!</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>Hi Alessandro,</p>\n<p>I think there are two possibilities why a flight that is landing locally isn't on the LB.</p>\n<p>1. strong headwind in LB and not in your local simulation. (not very likely but possible)</p>\n<p>2. a combination of different actualLanding, Takeoff, groundConditions and wind will sometimes cause a plane not to land. I am not sure how exactly and if I knew I don't know if I would tell you :-) But if you do some simulations with different Landing, Takeoff and ground files I think you will notice planes not landing as they have been done before and vice versa.</p>",
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      "id": 36828,
      "author_name": "alzmcr",
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      "post_date": "12/30/2013 17:51:40",
      "content": "<p>Jules, can you be more specific about you second point? It is reproducible somehow?</p>\n<p>[quote=glazed;36753]</p>\n<p>A couple of things you've probably already thought of, but anyway...</p>\n<p>A quick and dirty way to test for sensitivity to weather is to swap around the weather from different days, which can be done simply by renaming the files.</p>\n<p>The leaderboard score incudes some days but not others, which skews the average.</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>Tried, but everything is landing without a problem.. thanks for the hint anyway!</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\n<p>&nbsp;</p>",
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      "id": 36871,
      "author_name": "julesvanligtenberg",
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      "post_date": "12/31/2013 12:12:46",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Alessandro Mariani;36828]</p>\n<p>Jules, can you be more specific about you second point? It is reproducible somehow?</p>\n<p>[/quote]</p>\n<p>I had some flights which crashed locally (long) after they had steered away from the restricted zones and not because of a lack of fuel, depending on a combination of wind and actualLanding/actualTakeoff/ground files.. I will try to narrow it down next year.</p>",
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