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Hello all,
\n\nMaybe I am the only one, but this pandemic is making me lose time I could have spent on this challenge. Is it possible to ask for an extension for the 31 of March deadline?
\n\nSince this is my first Kaggle challenge I am not sure if this has been done before or maybe frowned upon but if many are affected I think it is fair.
\n\nPlease upvote if you agree the organizers should extend this challenge.
", "messages": [ { "id": 772082, "postDate": "2020-03-15T01:29:54.380Z", "content": "Hello all,
\n\nMaybe I am the only one, but this pandemic is making me lose time I could have spent on this challenge. Is it possible to ask for an extension for the 31 of March deadline?
\n\nSince this is my first Kaggle challenge I am not sure if this has been done before or maybe frowned upon but if many are affected I think it is fair.
\n\nPlease upvote if you agree the organizers should extend this challenge.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hello all, \n\nMaybe I am the only one, but this pandemic is making me lose time I could have spent on this challenge. Is it possible to ask for an extension for the 31 of March deadline?\n\nSince this is my first Kaggle challenge I am not sure if this has been done before or maybe frowned upon but if many are affected I think it is fair. \n\nPlease upvote if you agree the organizers should extend this challenge. ", "votes": 116 }, { "id": 781047, "postDate": "2020-03-20T21:27:05.883Z", "content": "Hi everyone, we wanted to take a moment to acknowledge this thread and the valid points and opinions raised by all of you. This global pandemic is impacting us all in one way or another, and at Kaggle, we've definitely been giving thought to how our Kaggle family (the entire community) is being affected, so that we can be as supportive as possible in this difficult time.
\n\nKaggle and the host team have discussed this competition's timeline and determined the fairest and least disruptive course of action is to stick with the existing timeline. This means March 31st is the deadline for submissions and making your 2 final submission selections, per the competition's timeline defined at the outset.
\n\nWe hope everyone is staying safe. And remember to be kind to one another in how you are conveying your opinions -- as is always the rule on Kaggle, and of particular importance now.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi everyone, we wanted to take a moment to acknowledge this thread and the valid points and opinions raised by all of you. This global pandemic is impacting us all in one way or another, and at Kaggle, we've definitely been giving thought to how our Kaggle family (the entire community) is being affected, so that we can be as supportive as possible in this difficult time.\n\nKaggle and the host team have discussed this competition's timeline and determined the fairest and least disruptive course of action is to stick with the existing timeline. This means March 31st is the deadline for submissions *and* making your 2 final submission selections, per the [competition's timeline](https://www.kaggle.com/c/deepfake-detection-challenge/overview/timeline) defined at the outset.\n\nWe hope everyone is staying safe. And remember to be kind to one another in how you are conveying your opinions -- as is always the rule on Kaggle, and of particular importance now.", "votes": 32, "replies": [ { "id": 783313, "postDate": "2020-03-23T07:18:07.607Z", "content": "@julia past this entire crucial month has been period of low productivity . this period when all participants contribute most to their work . \nSo extending deadline should be considerable.
", "rawMarkdown": "@julia past this entire crucial month has been period of low productivity . this period when all participants contribute most to their work . \nSo extending deadline should be considerable. \n\n", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 783755, "postDate": "2020-03-23T16:20:20.803Z", "content": "@juliaelliott The past two weeks have been brutal for me and as I can imagine, most people. I respect the choice that you and the host team have made, but all I can say is that there are a lot of people who have put in a lot of work that will most likely not get the chance to put everything together. A lot of this is due to inaccessibility to prior resources and having to make work adjustments which would be a valid response in almost all workplaces.
", "rawMarkdown": "@juliaelliott The past two weeks have been brutal for me and as I can imagine, most people. I respect the choice that you and the host team have made, but all I can say is that there are a lot of people who have put in a lot of work that will most likely not get the chance to put everything together. A lot of this is due to inaccessibility to prior resources and having to make work adjustments which would be a valid response in almost all workplaces. ", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 783861, "postDate": "2020-03-23T18:27:24.227Z", "content": "@julia situation has really got bad in past 2 weeks in almost all country,daily work/biz every thing has vastly affected because of lockdowns to prevent further spread of Covid 19 . \nPeople just got busy in adapting to lockdowns .Just think of it
", "rawMarkdown": "@julia situation has really got bad in past 2 weeks in almost all country,daily work/biz every thing has vastly affected because of lockdowns to prevent further spread of Covid 19 . \nPeople just got busy in adapting to lockdowns .Just think of it ", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 784278, "postDate": "2020-03-24T04:32:05.670Z", "content": "I too second with others. It would be great if the deadline could be extended. This is an unprecedented situation that everyone is facing.
", "rawMarkdown": "I too second with others. It would be great if the deadline could be extended. This is an unprecedented situation that everyone is facing.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 784483, "postDate": "2020-03-24T08:44:26.487Z", "content": "\"least disruptive course of action\" Does this also includes a \"zombie apocalypse\" ?\nNo Offence!
", "rawMarkdown": "\"least disruptive course of action\" Does this also includes a \"zombie apocalypse\" ?\nNo Offence!", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 787235, "postDate": "2020-03-26T16:17:30.507Z", "content": "Please postpone the deadline. Everyone now has more time than before.
", "rawMarkdown": "Please postpone the deadline. Everyone now has more time than before." }, { "id": 788186, "postDate": "2020-03-27T13:11:08.837Z", "content": "This is getting more than 100 Upvotes, please do so
", "rawMarkdown": "This is getting more than 100 Upvotes, please do so" }, { "id": 788216, "postDate": "2020-03-27T13:40:49.853Z", "content": "@computerguy It's actually 117 upvotes and 17 downvotes. However, some have argued that this is not a good indicator of public opinion, because people are reluctant to downvote. If we had TWO interlinked posts, for and against an extension, then we could compare them.
", "rawMarkdown": "@computerguy It's actually 117 upvotes and 17 downvotes. However, some have argued that this is not a good indicator of public opinion, because people are reluctant to downvote. If we had TWO interlinked posts, for and against an extension, then we could compare them.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 788483, "postDate": "2020-03-27T17:43:58.637Z", "content": "> If we had TWO interlinked posts, for and against an extension, then we could compare them. >
\n\nIsn't 120 Upvotes and 18 Downvotes enough for that? \nAlso on average 10 Upvotes per day(may increase) and 1 downvote per day.
", "rawMarkdown": "> If we had TWO interlinked posts, for and against an extension, then we could compare them. >\n\n\nIsn't 120 Upvotes and 18 Downvotes enough for that? \nAlso on average 10 Upvotes per day(may increase) and 1 downvote per day." } ] }, { "id": 775558, "postDate": "2020-03-16T20:02:42.047Z", "content": "For us would be also nice to have an extension, we were testing and training the model at the office in our off-work hours, but due to the situation in Spain we can no longer access to that machine, so now we have to prepare another environment on the cloud from scratch.
", "rawMarkdown": "For us would be also nice to have an extension, we were testing and training the model at the office in our off-work hours, but due to the situation in Spain we can no longer access to that machine, so now we have to prepare another environment on the cloud from scratch.", "votes": 10, "replies": [ { "id": 776260, "postDate": "2020-03-17T08:46:08.743Z", "content": "+1
", "rawMarkdown": "+1" } ] }, { "id": 775446, "postDate": "2020-03-16T17:29:29.930Z", "content": "An extension wuld be appreciated.
", "rawMarkdown": "An extension wuld be appreciated.", "votes": 10 }, { "id": 777699, "postDate": "2020-03-17T21:32:00.053Z", "content": "I don't mean for this to be derogatory, but I am seeing many of the people asking for an extension are people who have not surpassed or done any submissions beyond the all 0.5 benchmark. I don't feel we should delay a million-dollar competition for people who have not even generated a real submission yet. Some people have been working on this for 4 months straight.
", "rawMarkdown": "I don't mean for this to be derogatory, but I am seeing many of the people asking for an extension are people who have not surpassed or done any submissions beyond the all 0.5 benchmark. I don't feel we should delay a million-dollar competition for people who have not even generated a real submission yet. Some people have been working on this for 4 months straight. ", "votes": 11, "replies": [ { "id": 777868, "postDate": "2020-03-18T01:59:07.573Z", "content": "Can't agree more. This challenge has been held for 4 months, anyone who has spent much time on it should have got good results. In the contrary, people who asked for extensions ranks bad. Either they didn't pay much efforts, either wearing small ids. Asking for fairness ? Interesting.
", "rawMarkdown": "Can't agree more. This challenge has been held for 4 months, anyone who has spent much time on it should have got good results. In the contrary, people who asked for extensions ranks bad. Either they didn't pay much efforts, either wearing small ids. Asking for fairness ? Interesting.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 777895, "postDate": "2020-03-18T02:34:58.317Z", "content": "> ryches wrote:\n> \n> have not surpassed or done any submissions beyond the all 0.5 benchmark.
\n\nI don't think this is an indication of anything. With the TSA Passenger Screening contest, I didn't finish some crucial parts of the code (post-processing, after training) until days, if not hours, before the deadline, so submitting anything was pointless.
\n\nImagine being prevented from finishing because of a worldwide \"act of God\", and Kaggle not being accommodating despite there having been deadline extensions before. That would have been pretty disappointing...
", "rawMarkdown": "> **ryches wrote:**\n> \n> have not surpassed or done any submissions beyond the all 0.5 benchmark.\n\nI don't think this is an indication of anything. With the [TSA Passenger Screening contest](https://www.kaggle.com/c/passenger-screening-algorithm-challenge/), I didn't finish some crucial parts of the code (post-processing, after training) until days, if not hours, before the deadline, so submitting anything was pointless. \n\nImagine being prevented from finishing because of a worldwide \"act of God\", and Kaggle not being accommodating despite there having been [deadline extensions before](https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Akaggle.com%2Fc%20%22deadline%20extended%22). That would have been pretty disappointing...\n\n", "votes": 8 }, { "id": 777938, "postDate": "2020-03-18T03:05:33.183Z", "content": "\n\n\nI didn't finish some crucial parts of the code (post-processing, after training) until days, if not hours, before the deadline, so submitting anything was pointless.
\n
... It wasn't procrastination either. Some ideas I had for training didn't work as well as I expected them to (probably a bug). I was trying to find the bug, but it's difficult in ML, since you don't get a backtrace or anything. But as the deadline got closer, I was forced to abandon those ideas and start working on post-processing. Submitting earlier just didn't make sense.
", "rawMarkdown": "> I didn't finish some crucial parts of the code (post-processing, after training) until days, if not hours, before the deadline, so submitting anything was pointless.\n\n... It wasn't procrastination either. Some ideas I had for training didn't work as well as I expected them to (probably a bug). I was trying to find the bug, but it's difficult in ML, since you don't get a backtrace or anything. But as the deadline got closer, I was forced to abandon those ideas and start working on post-processing. Submitting earlier just didn't make sense." }, { "id": 777950, "postDate": "2020-03-18T03:17:36.407Z", "content": "From the top 300 ranked, twice as many people have commented in favor of the extension as against it. Upvotes vs. downvotes on the overall post also show that it is favored by a majority of those who have weighed in so far.
\n\nThe point of fairness is to establish an equal playing field. If the deadline is not extended, people who live in areas strongly affected by the virus are at an obvious disadvantage.
", "rawMarkdown": "From the top 300 ranked, twice as many people have commented in favor of the extension as against it. Upvotes vs. downvotes on the overall post also show that it is favored by a majority of those who have weighed in so far. \n\nThe point of fairness is to establish an equal playing field. If the deadline is not extended, people who live in areas strongly affected by the virus are at an obvious disadvantage. ", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 778461, "postDate": "2020-03-18T13:13:59.223Z", "content": "For the record, I am against the extension. There is no real reason for it. I do not downvote the topic because the OP expressed his legitimate concern, so the number of downvotes is not a good indication.
", "rawMarkdown": "For the record, I am against the extension. There is no real reason for it. I do not downvote the topic because the OP expressed his legitimate concern, so the number of downvotes is not a good indication.", "votes": 5 } ] }, { "id": 778923, "postDate": "2020-03-18T21:21:38.840Z", "content": "This just became more interesting. There's indeed a lot of reasons for either against an extension, and agree with an extension.
\n\nPeople who are not satisfied with their current rank regardless of what their current rank is will want an extension. People who are satisfied with their current rank and/or are not expecting their rank to go higher don't want an extension.
\n\nSurely, there are lots of people affected by the coronavirus. They didn't think/expect that the coronavirus would spread to their country/region(at least for me). Take America as an example, a few weeks ago, the officials say people who have/possibly have the coronavirus are all quarantined, but all of a sudden, it started to spread out(and massive amount of people got sick, schools/universities closed). For us, we luckily didn't get affected by it, but I'm sure, some people are affected by it.
\n\nFor those of who participated in the middle of the competition, its their choice, they're not forced to join lately. But for those of who are affected by the virus, they're forced to loose time.
", "rawMarkdown": "This just became more interesting. There's indeed a lot of reasons for either against an extension, and agree with an extension. \n\nPeople who are not satisfied with their current rank regardless of what their current rank is will want an extension. People who are satisfied with their current rank and/or are not expecting their rank to go higher don't want an extension. \n\nSurely, there are lots of people affected by the coronavirus. They didn't think/expect that the coronavirus would spread to their country/region(at least for me). Take America as an example, a few weeks ago, the officials say people who have/possibly have the coronavirus are all quarantined, but all of a sudden, it started to spread out(and massive amount of people got sick, schools/universities closed). For us, we luckily didn't get affected by it, but I'm sure, some people are affected by it.\n\nFor those of who participated in the middle of the competition, its their choice, they're not forced to join lately. But for those of who are affected by the virus, they're forced to loose time.", "votes": 9 }, { "id": 775205, "postDate": "2020-03-16T12:12:22.413Z", "content": "I am affected by this pandemic as well. I've lost my access to the university hardware, all I can do right now is playing with a small subset of the videos on my laptop.
", "rawMarkdown": "I am affected by this pandemic as well. I've lost my access to the university hardware, all I can do right now is playing with a small subset of the videos on my laptop.", "votes": 9 }, { "id": 772214, "postDate": "2020-03-15T07:05:16.380Z", "content": "I would prefer the organizers shift the competition's deadline however it may be unfair with respect to other participants who expect the deadline on 31st of March and have their own plans.
", "rawMarkdown": "I would prefer the organizers shift the competition's deadline however it may be unfair with respect to other participants who expect the deadline on 31st of March and have their own plans.", "votes": 8 }, { "id": 778317, "postDate": "2020-03-18T10:44:26.220Z", "content": "I didn't participate in this competition yet and personally want there to be an extension because that might give me enough time to participate, but to me, it seems like what's really fair is keeping the initial deadline.
", "rawMarkdown": "I didn't participate in this competition yet and personally want there to be an extension because that might give me enough time to participate, but to me, it seems like what's really fair is keeping the initial deadline.", "votes": 6 }, { "id": 772221, "postDate": "2020-03-15T07:20:19.803Z", "content": "A lot of students, etc. are affected: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/14/stanford-tells-students-to-leave-campus-after-undergrad-tests-positive-for-covid-19/
", "rawMarkdown": "A lot of students, etc. are affected: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/14/stanford-tells-students-to-leave-campus-after-undergrad-tests-positive-for-covid-19/", "votes": 6 }, { "id": 778427, "postDate": "2020-03-18T12:34:26.300Z", "content": "First of all let me say that I'm fine with either extending the competition deadline or not. That said, here it goes my opinion about this request for extension.
\n\nAlthough in my case the COVID isn't affecting my capacity or resources to work on this competition, I'm in favor of an extension because there are others that might be affected by it. Either being directly impacted and not able to work, or prevented from using resources due to schools or other places closing down.\nIn the end everyone will have more time to improve their models, including the top competitors. So a better deep fake detection model will be created 😀
", "rawMarkdown": "First of all let me say that I'm fine with either extending the competition deadline or not. That said, here it goes my opinion about this request for extension.\n\nAlthough in my case the COVID isn't affecting my capacity or resources to work on this competition, I'm in favor of an extension because there are others that might be affected by it. Either being directly impacted and not able to work, or prevented from using resources due to schools or other places closing down.\nIn the end everyone will have more time to improve their models, including the top competitors. So a better deep fake detection model will be created 😀 ", "votes": 6 }, { "id": 789048, "postDate": "2020-03-28T10:00:41.077Z", "content": "Normally I would be against extensions given rules are set at the beginning.\nPersonally in this case I am in favor of an extension. Because indeed it is extraordinary; and the majority is got affected.\nThe reason I am in favor; If you check my submissions I was submitting everyday until a month ago.\nBut within last 30 days; my kids are at home and I prioritized them(of course) heavily and i barely submit anything in last 30 days. Now things are better(we have adapted to the new routine); so I can start again working on this one. Probably there are many people like this.
\n\nBut I understand if there is no extension.
", "rawMarkdown": "Normally I would be against extensions given rules are set at the beginning.\nPersonally in this case I am in favor of an extension. Because indeed it is extraordinary; and the majority is got affected.\nThe reason I am in favor; If you check my submissions I was submitting everyday until a month ago.\nBut within last 30 days; my kids are at home and I prioritized them(of course) heavily and i barely submit anything in last 30 days. Now things are better(we have adapted to the new routine); so I can start again working on this one. Probably there are many people like this.\n\nBut I understand if there is no extension.", "votes": 5 }, { "id": 777989, "postDate": "2020-03-18T04:05:22.567Z", "content": "I'm against extending deadline for some reasons.\n1. We don't know when covid-19 situation will end. It can last more than 2 months from now, and can even get worse globally. I don't think extending the deadline one or two weeks will add fairness to those who are strongly affected by covid. Rather, if the covid situation gets worse, extending deadline will be a disadvantage to those who are strongly affected by covid.\n2. Participating Kaggle competition is one of the few activities that are not directly affected by this covid-19 situation, since it is done online and people don't need to contact face to face to write code and submit a solution. Altering the schedule which has been decided almost 4 months ahead, is better be avoided.\n3. We are given 4 months for this competition, which is already 2x normal kaggle competition duration. Also, all of us had ~2 months that were not affected by covid.\n4. Dedicated participants, who have been working hard for more than 3 months, have planned their schedules considering current deadline. Extending the deadline will be unfair to those participants.\n5. Only 2 weeks are left. 87.5% of the competition duration have passed, so it is nearing the end. Unexpected deadline extension near the competition end will lead to confusion.
", "rawMarkdown": "I'm against extending deadline for some reasons.\n1. We don't know when covid-19 situation will end. It can last more than 2 months from now, and can even get worse globally. I don't think extending the deadline one or two weeks will add fairness to those who are strongly affected by covid. Rather, if the covid situation gets worse, extending deadline will be a disadvantage to those who are strongly affected by covid.\n2. Participating Kaggle competition is one of the few activities that are not directly affected by this covid-19 situation, since it is done online and people don't need to contact face to face to write code and submit a solution. Altering the schedule which has been decided almost 4 months ahead, is better be avoided.\n3. We are given 4 months for this competition, which is already 2x normal kaggle competition duration. Also, all of us had ~2 months that were not affected by covid.\n4. Dedicated participants, who have been working hard for more than 3 months, have planned their schedules considering current deadline. Extending the deadline will be unfair to those participants.\n5. Only 2 weeks are left. 87.5% of the competition duration have passed, so it is nearing the end. Unexpected deadline extension near the competition end will lead to confusion.", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 778075, "postDate": "2020-03-18T06:01:30.230Z", "content": "\n\n\nYoonSoo wrote:
\n \nWe don't know when covid-19 situation will end.
\n
A month, I hope, unless people in charge make even more mistakes than they already did:
\n\n
I don't mean to pick on any country in particular. It looks like most of them screwed this up royally. I've been trying to tell anyone who'd listen that other countries need to copy Korea's approach BTW.
\n\n\n\n\nDedicated participants, who have been working hard for more than 3 months, have planned their schedules considering current deadline.
\n
They did, and many will be unable to finish this work...
", "rawMarkdown": "> **YoonSoo wrote:**\n> \n> \n> We don't know when covid-19 situation will end. \n\nA month, I hope, unless people in charge make even more mistakes than they already did: \n\n\n\nI don't mean to pick on any country in particular. It looks like most of them screwed this up royally. I've been trying to tell anyone who'd listen that other countries need to copy Korea's approach BTW.\n\n> Dedicated participants, who have been working hard for more than 3 months, have planned their schedules considering current deadline. \n\nThey did, and many will be unable to finish this work...\n\n", "votes": 3 } ] }, { "id": 776626, "postDate": "2020-03-17T14:16:58.813Z", "content": "We do not currently have access to the workstation computer we were previously using. This would be much appreciated.
", "rawMarkdown": "We do not currently have access to the workstation computer we were previously using. This would be much appreciated.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 778628, "postDate": "2020-03-18T15:48:49.443Z", "content": "I think everyone had enough time to prepare for the virus outbreak in China and the possibility of the virus spreading. (Especially prepares related to access to GPUs.. There is no excuse.)\nEven extending due date is not fair to both those who are affected by the virus or not.\nSince I participated in the middle of the competition, extending due date is advantageous to me. But I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.
", "rawMarkdown": "I think everyone had enough time to prepare for the virus outbreak in China and the possibility of the virus spreading. (Especially prepares related to access to GPUs.. There is no excuse.)\nEven extending due date is not fair to both those who are affected by the virus or not.\nSince I participated in the middle of the competition, extending due date is advantageous to me. But I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 779892, "postDate": "2020-03-19T19:28:42.437Z", "content": "\n\n\nI think everyone had enough time to prepare for the virus outbreak in China and the possibility of the virus spreading.
\n
That's ridiculous, nobody could foresee suspension of educational institutions in Europe because of a virus outbreak in China. Even the governments were caught unprepared.
\n\nI know nothing about cloud services, It's too much to expect me to move all my data and processes to a cloud service just because I heard the news.
", "rawMarkdown": "> I think everyone had enough time to prepare for the virus outbreak in China and the possibility of the virus spreading. \n\nThat's ridiculous, nobody could foresee suspension of educational institutions in Europe because of a virus outbreak in China. Even the governments were caught unprepared.\n\nI know nothing about cloud services, It's too much to expect me to move all my data and processes to a cloud service just because I heard the news.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 780237, "postDate": "2020-03-20T05:00:02.803Z", "content": "If the competition organizer says to extend the deadline, I think it will be a good opportunity and I will do my best.
\n\nI just think that extending the deadline is not fair at all. But I also respect the opinions of the individuals who commented here. The fairness of competition is also my personal opinion.
\n\nI am living in South Korea and it has been 3 weeks since my PC has become difficult to access. So I agree with competitors' discomfort about environments, but as I said ... I just think extending the deadline is unfair.
\n\n(My opinion on remote access seems to be that I'm more of a computer engineer than a data scientist, but I don't have any knowledge of remote access. Most of the problems are solved by searching the internet.🙂 )
", "rawMarkdown": "If the competition organizer says to extend the deadline, I think it will be a good opportunity and I will do my best.\n\nI just think that extending the deadline is not fair at all. But I also respect the opinions of the individuals who commented here. The fairness of competition is also my personal opinion.\n\nI am living in South Korea and it has been 3 weeks since my PC has become difficult to access. So I agree with competitors' discomfort about environments, but as I said ... I just think extending the deadline is unfair. \n\n(My opinion on remote access seems to be that I'm more of a computer engineer than a data scientist, but I don't have any knowledge of remote access. Most of the problems are solved by searching the internet.🙂 )", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 780304, "postDate": "2020-03-20T06:22:50.863Z", "content": "\n\n\nCaffeinism🤔 wrote:
\n \nIf the competition organizer says to extend the deadline
\n
My guess is that it's not happening, since no one from Kaggle responded here.
", "rawMarkdown": "> **Caffeinism🤔 wrote:**\n> \n> If the competition organizer says to extend the deadline\n\nMy guess is that it's not happening, since no one from Kaggle responded here.\n\n" } ] }, { "id": 772300, "postDate": "2020-03-15T09:58:12.983Z", "content": "Deadline extensions have not been popular on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/c/ieee-fraud-detection/discussion/110777
\n\nObviously, the covid-19 epidemic is a very special case, but just sharing this to show the counterpoint to extending the deadline. Many people have been working on this problem for a long time and plan breaks around competition end.
", "rawMarkdown": "Deadline extensions have not been popular on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/c/ieee-fraud-detection/discussion/110777\n\nObviously, the covid-19 epidemic is a very special case, but just sharing this to show the counterpoint to extending the deadline. Many people have been working on this problem for a long time and plan breaks around competition end. ", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 772760, "postDate": "2020-03-15T21:51:46.767Z", "content": "People were upset the deadline was extended at the last minute, after many submission were already entered. This wouldn't be the same.
", "rawMarkdown": "People were upset the deadline was extended at the last minute, after many submission were already entered. This wouldn't be the same.", "votes": 5 }, { "id": 772791, "postDate": "2020-03-15T23:02:23.117Z", "content": "I think this link provides useful context, but it would not apply to a clearly communicated extension for a global pandemic impacting a large number of competition participants. The link shows a case where the organizers waited until the last minute and extended the deadline because of a small mistake on their part, which didn't affect most of the participants. In our case, there is still time to communicate the extension in advance, and the issue has a much heavier impact. If the organizers act promptly instead of waiting for the virus to force a last-minute extension, everyone will have time to adjust their post-competition plans. They probably have to adjust those plans anyways because of the crisis. If the extension is given a week or two in advance, and is given for a reason that is globally impacting the international community, then it will be a legitimate extension.
", "rawMarkdown": "I think this link provides useful context, but it would not apply to a clearly communicated extension for a global pandemic impacting a large number of competition participants. The link shows a case where the organizers waited until the last minute and extended the deadline because of a small mistake on their part, which didn't affect most of the participants. In our case, there is still time to communicate the extension in advance, and the issue has a much heavier impact. If the organizers act promptly instead of waiting for the virus to force a last-minute extension, everyone will have time to adjust their post-competition plans. They probably have to adjust those plans anyways because of the crisis. If the extension is given a week or two in advance, and is given for a reason that is globally impacting the international community, then it will be a legitimate extension.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 774846, "postDate": "2020-03-16T01:53:27.423Z", "content": "@jeramiapoland @jamesthornton I agree with your points. I am not personally against it (I havent even been actively working on this recently), I just wanted to give the context of the response last time there was a delay.
", "rawMarkdown": "@jeramiapoland @jamesthornton I agree with your points. I am not personally against it (I havent even been actively working on this recently), I just wanted to give the context of the response last time there was a delay. ", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 780693, "postDate": "2020-03-20T14:20:20.033Z", "content": "I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.
", "rawMarkdown": " I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 775504, "postDate": "2020-03-16T18:41:36.727Z", "content": "+1
", "rawMarkdown": "+1", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 772763, "postDate": "2020-03-15T21:52:44.770Z", "content": "I would also like an extension, a week or two would be great. We've been \"quarantined\" for at least two weeks. I don't have access to my workstation. I'm sure there are other people that have had to at least switch platforms; teams that no longer meet, etc.
", "rawMarkdown": "I would also like an extension, a week or two would be great. We've been \"quarantined\" for at least two weeks. I don't have access to my workstation. I'm sure there are other people that have had to at least switch platforms; teams that no longer meet, etc.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 788479, "postDate": "2020-03-27T17:41:14.257Z", "content": "Some more thoughts:
\n\nWhy is extension \"unfair\" to LB Toppers?\nSomeone could be at top of LB because someone else did not have time to complete their model.\nSo, I believe that an extension always helps the (real) Toppers!
Someone planning vacation/travel - well that is NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE NOW because of Coronavirus lockdowns world-wide!
Also helps with restriction of 2 submissions only per day etc.
EVERYONE in the world and all our families are affected by Coronavirus related restrictions right now.
\n\nIf not a big extension, at least 2 weeks should be considered to compensate for all the disturbances, so that participants get a chance to complete their work and submit their best models.
\n\nPS: In addition to other restrictions already being enforced, India has just announced a 3-week country-wide lockdown starting today\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-indias-prime-minister-orders-nationwide-lockdown.html
", "rawMarkdown": "EVERYONE in the world and all our families are affected by Coronavirus related restrictions right now.\n\nIf not a big extension, at least 2 weeks should be considered to compensate for all the disturbances, so that participants get a chance to complete their work and submit their best models.\n\nPS: In addition to other restrictions already being enforced, India has just announced a 3-week country-wide lockdown starting today\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-indias-prime-minister-orders-nationwide-lockdown.html", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 788224, "postDate": "2020-03-27T13:48:54.503Z", "content": "@sirishks , Agree with your thought
", "rawMarkdown": "@sirishks , Agree with your thought ", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 776228, "postDate": "2020-03-17T08:07:24.087Z", "content": "Interesting. It's not fair for those who have done a lot to work at home, such as preparing data again and buying new services. You should prepare earlier for this instead of asking for extension.
", "rawMarkdown": "Interesting. It's not fair for those who have done a lot to work at home, such as preparing data again and buying new services. You should prepare earlier for this instead of asking for extension. " }, { "id": 775904, "postDate": "2020-03-17T02:31:40.343Z", "content": "Yes, with more and more people impacted by COVID-19, it will be fair to extend the deadline a bit.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, with more and more people impacted by COVID-19, it will be fair to extend the deadline a bit.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 772787, "postDate": "2020-03-15T22:53:43.160Z", "content": "I agree with extending the deadline, because it is the fair choice. If the deadline remains the same, then a large number of people in the competition who are affected by the epidemic will be unfairly disadvantaged. Plus, anyone who works a job will probably have to sacrifice sleep if they want to be competitive as the deadline approaches. This can put them at risk for the virus by weakening their immune system. An extra couple of weeks would give us both a fairer competition and a better end result in terms of the solutions that come out of this. There is also clear precedent based on the international response to this crisis.
", "rawMarkdown": "I agree with extending the deadline, because it is the fair choice. If the deadline remains the same, then a large number of people in the competition who are affected by the epidemic will be unfairly disadvantaged. Plus, anyone who works a job will probably have to sacrifice sleep if they want to be competitive as the deadline approaches. This can put them at risk for the virus by weakening their immune system. An extra couple of weeks would give us both a fairer competition and a better end result in terms of the solutions that come out of this. There is also clear precedent based on the international response to this crisis.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 776662, "postDate": "2020-03-17T14:40:02.753Z", "content": "Hello all,
\n\nFirst of all, I wish you all safety and good health amid the COVID-19 crisis that has hit the world. I am also writing to ask for an extension of the deadline since, in my country, a ban has been issued on leaving homes; therefore, my team is no longer capable of accessing the hardware at university. Some people might suggest using online services such as AWS; however, I would like to stress the fact that not everyone is privileged to use such services. As a result, a large portion of the community is forced to put a halt to their competition work. Consequently, it is reasonable to extend the deadline to give competitors the chance to effectively engage with the competition.
\n\nThanks and good luck to all.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hello all,\n\nFirst of all, I wish you all safety and good health amid the COVID-19 crisis that has hit the world. I am also writing to ask for an extension of the deadline since, in my country, a ban has been issued on leaving homes; therefore, my team is no longer capable of accessing the hardware at university. Some people might suggest using online services such as AWS; however, I would like to stress the fact that not everyone is privileged to use such services. As a result, a large portion of the community is forced to put a halt to their competition work. Consequently, it is reasonable to extend the deadline to give competitors the chance to effectively engage with the competition.\n\nThanks and good luck to all." }, { "id": 776587, "postDate": "2020-03-17T13:44:33.093Z", "content": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good." }, { "id": 775486, "postDate": "2020-03-16T18:20:40.997Z", "content": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 788454, "postDate": "2020-03-27T17:22:07.027Z", "content": "Two reasons for Extension supported by Leaderboard scores trend:
\n\nNO extension : scores will be around 0.20 on 1-Apr\nWITH Extension : best scores could go below 0.17 by 15-Apr
\n\nTrend:\n(i) In recent two weeks, WestLake went from 0.25028 (12-Mar) to 0.2023 (26-Mar)\n(ii) Others also, best score of 0.20x achieved only now (this week since 21-Mar)
More importantly, top scores are still not below 0.100\nwhereas 99% accuracy is reported by Research papers such as below\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/deepfake-detection-challenge/discussion/133348
\n\nMy conclusion: The competition organizers will definitely benefit by an extension!!
", "rawMarkdown": "Two reasons for Extension supported by Leaderboard scores trend:\n\n1. NO extension : scores will be around 0.20 on 1-Apr\n WITH Extension : best scores could go below 0.17 by 15-Apr\n \n Trend:\n (i) In recent two weeks, WestLake went from 0.25028 (12-Mar) to 0.2023 (26-Mar)\n (ii) Others also, best score of 0.20x achieved only now (this week since 21-Mar)\n\n2. More importantly, top scores are still not below 0.100\n whereas 99% accuracy is reported by Research papers such as below\n https://www.kaggle.com/c/deepfake-detection-challenge/discussion/133348\n - (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.11035.pdf)\n https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332812263_GAN_is_a_friend_or_foe_a_framework_to_detect_various_fake_face_images\n\nMy conclusion: The competition organizers will definitely benefit by an extension!!", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 778356, "postDate": "2020-03-18T11:15:07.470Z", "content": "To be fair to those who doesn't want to extend the deadline regardless of reason/s, we need to climb to at least top 10 or reach a score of less than 0.22 before we demand any deadline extension.
", "rawMarkdown": "To be fair to those who doesn't want to extend the deadline regardless of reason/s, we need to climb to at least top 10 or reach a score of less than 0.22 before we demand any deadline extension.", "votes": -2 }, { "id": 786120, "postDate": "2020-03-25T16:37:24.427Z", "content": "Yes, I am the all-0.5er at the moment, which gave me an opportunity to apply for and obtain my AWS credit. Yes I joined a month ago, which is now obvious for me that w/o any prior experience is not enough even to go through all the AWS ML facilities and assess their most efficient use possible, not even mentioning the comprehension on all the existing frameworks/models/approaches/techniques zoos. So at least 2 weeks extension would be really great for me to be able to spend my credit at least.
\n\nFrom the other point.. We still compete for finding the best DFs detection methods, while the rest of humanity is being struck by CoViD?... Please do not extend, we don't deserve it. And as AWS credit is valid through April, I think I would still be able to check my ideas after the challenge is closed.
\n\nLove and peace all around!
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, I am the all-0.5er at the moment, which gave me an opportunity to apply for and obtain my AWS credit. Yes I joined a month ago, which is now obvious for me that w/o any prior experience is not enough even to go through all the AWS ML facilities and assess their most efficient use possible, not even mentioning the comprehension on all the existing frameworks/models/approaches/techniques zoos. So at least 2 weeks extension would be really great for me to be able to spend my credit at least.\n\nFrom the other point.. We still compete for finding the best DFs detection methods, while the rest of humanity is being struck by CoViD?... Please do not extend, we don't deserve it. And as AWS credit is valid through April, I think I would still be able to check my ideas after the challenge is closed.\n\nLove and peace all around!", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 784329, "postDate": "2020-03-24T05:43:33.843Z", "content": "Agree with you.
", "rawMarkdown": "Agree with you." }, { "id": 780270, "postDate": "2020-03-20T05:37:20.587Z", "rawMarkdown": "" }, { "id": 778329, "postDate": "2020-03-18T10:53:05.813Z", "content": "Also worth considering, the fact that we can expect an sharp increase internet usage in the days to come. So even if some of us are using cloud platforms, it might be more complicated to do so properly due to extensive 'traffic' on the internet...
", "rawMarkdown": "Also worth considering, the fact that we can expect an sharp increase internet usage in the days to come. So even if some of us are using cloud platforms, it might be more complicated to do so properly due to extensive 'traffic' on the internet..." }, { "id": 775583, "postDate": "2020-03-16T20:40:16.137Z", "content": "interesting..
", "rawMarkdown": "interesting.." }, { "id": 788734, "postDate": "2020-03-28T00:03:59.810Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 775200, "postDate": "2020-03-16T12:00:12.263Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true } ], "comments": [ { "id": 781047, "author_name": "Julia Elliott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-20T21:27:05.883000", "content": "Hi everyone, we wanted to take a moment to acknowledge this thread and the valid points and opinions raised by all of you. This global pandemic is impacting us all in one way or another, and at Kaggle, we've definitely been giving thought to how our Kaggle family (the entire community) is being affected, so that we can be as supportive as possible in this difficult time.
\n\nKaggle and the host team have discussed this competition's timeline and determined the fairest and least disruptive course of action is to stick with the existing timeline. This means March 31st is the deadline for submissions and making your 2 final submission selections, per the competition's timeline defined at the outset.
\n\nWe hope everyone is staying safe. And remember to be kind to one another in how you are conveying your opinions -- as is always the rule on Kaggle, and of particular importance now.
", "votes": 32, "replies": [ { "id": 783313, "author_name": "Jaideep", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-23T07:18:07.607000", "content": "@julia past this entire crucial month has been period of low productivity . this period when all participants contribute most to their work . \nSo extending deadline should be considerable.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 783755, "author_name": "Thomas Sherk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-23T16:20:20.803000", "content": "@juliaelliott The past two weeks have been brutal for me and as I can imagine, most people. I respect the choice that you and the host team have made, but all I can say is that there are a lot of people who have put in a lot of work that will most likely not get the chance to put everything together. A lot of this is due to inaccessibility to prior resources and having to make work adjustments which would be a valid response in almost all workplaces.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 783861, "author_name": "Jaideep", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-23T18:27:24.227000", "content": "@julia situation has really got bad in past 2 weeks in almost all country,daily work/biz every thing has vastly affected because of lockdowns to prevent further spread of Covid 19 . \nPeople just got busy in adapting to lockdowns .Just think of it
", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 784278, "author_name": "Collin Davis", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-24T04:32:05.670000", "content": "I too second with others. It would be great if the deadline could be extended. This is an unprecedented situation that everyone is facing.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 784483, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-24T08:44:26.487000", "content": "\"least disruptive course of action\" Does this also includes a \"zombie apocalypse\" ?\nNo Offence!
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 787235, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-26T16:17:30.507000", "content": "Please postpone the deadline. Everyone now has more time than before.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 788186, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-27T13:11:08.837000", "content": "This is getting more than 100 Upvotes, please do so
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 788216, "author_name": "Oleg Trott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-27T13:40:49.853000", "content": "@computerguy It's actually 117 upvotes and 17 downvotes. However, some have argued that this is not a good indicator of public opinion, because people are reluctant to downvote. If we had TWO interlinked posts, for and against an extension, then we could compare them.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 788483, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-27T17:43:58.637000", "content": "> If we had TWO interlinked posts, for and against an extension, then we could compare them. >
\n\nIsn't 120 Upvotes and 18 Downvotes enough for that? \nAlso on average 10 Upvotes per day(may increase) and 1 downvote per day.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 775558, "author_name": "Adolfo Olea", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T20:02:42.047000", "content": "For us would be also nice to have an extension, we were testing and training the model at the office in our off-work hours, but due to the situation in Spain we can no longer access to that machine, so now we have to prepare another environment on the cloud from scratch.
", "votes": 10, "replies": [ { "id": 776260, "author_name": "Naman Mehta", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-17T08:46:08.743000", "content": "+1
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 775446, "author_name": "Aman Kumar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T17:29:29.930000", "content": "An extension wuld be appreciated.
", "votes": 10, "replies": [] }, { "id": 777699, "author_name": "ryches", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-17T21:32:00.053000", "content": "I don't mean for this to be derogatory, but I am seeing many of the people asking for an extension are people who have not surpassed or done any submissions beyond the all 0.5 benchmark. I don't feel we should delay a million-dollar competition for people who have not even generated a real submission yet. Some people have been working on this for 4 months straight.
", "votes": 11, "replies": [ { "id": 777868, "author_name": "xxn-xx", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T01:59:07.573000", "content": "Can't agree more. This challenge has been held for 4 months, anyone who has spent much time on it should have got good results. In the contrary, people who asked for extensions ranks bad. Either they didn't pay much efforts, either wearing small ids. Asking for fairness ? Interesting.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 777895, "author_name": "Oleg Trott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T02:34:58.317000", "content": "> ryches wrote:\n> \n> have not surpassed or done any submissions beyond the all 0.5 benchmark.
\n\nI don't think this is an indication of anything. With the TSA Passenger Screening contest, I didn't finish some crucial parts of the code (post-processing, after training) until days, if not hours, before the deadline, so submitting anything was pointless.
\n\nImagine being prevented from finishing because of a worldwide \"act of God\", and Kaggle not being accommodating despite there having been deadline extensions before. That would have been pretty disappointing...
", "votes": 8, "replies": [] }, { "id": 777938, "author_name": "Oleg Trott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T03:05:33.183000", "content": "\n\n\nI didn't finish some crucial parts of the code (post-processing, after training) until days, if not hours, before the deadline, so submitting anything was pointless.
\n
... It wasn't procrastination either. Some ideas I had for training didn't work as well as I expected them to (probably a bug). I was trying to find the bug, but it's difficult in ML, since you don't get a backtrace or anything. But as the deadline got closer, I was forced to abandon those ideas and start working on post-processing. Submitting earlier just didn't make sense.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 777950, "author_name": "James Thornton", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T03:17:36.407000", "content": "From the top 300 ranked, twice as many people have commented in favor of the extension as against it. Upvotes vs. downvotes on the overall post also show that it is favored by a majority of those who have weighed in so far.
\n\nThe point of fairness is to establish an equal playing field. If the deadline is not extended, people who live in areas strongly affected by the virus are at an obvious disadvantage.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 778461, "author_name": "nosound", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T13:13:59.223000", "content": "For the record, I am against the extension. There is no real reason for it. I do not downvote the topic because the OP expressed his legitimate concern, so the number of downvotes is not a good indication.
", "votes": 5, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 778923, "author_name": "Shangqiu Li", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T21:21:38.840000", "content": "This just became more interesting. There's indeed a lot of reasons for either against an extension, and agree with an extension.
\n\nPeople who are not satisfied with their current rank regardless of what their current rank is will want an extension. People who are satisfied with their current rank and/or are not expecting their rank to go higher don't want an extension.
\n\nSurely, there are lots of people affected by the coronavirus. They didn't think/expect that the coronavirus would spread to their country/region(at least for me). Take America as an example, a few weeks ago, the officials say people who have/possibly have the coronavirus are all quarantined, but all of a sudden, it started to spread out(and massive amount of people got sick, schools/universities closed). For us, we luckily didn't get affected by it, but I'm sure, some people are affected by it.
\n\nFor those of who participated in the middle of the competition, its their choice, they're not forced to join lately. But for those of who are affected by the virus, they're forced to loose time.
", "votes": 9, "replies": [] }, { "id": 775205, "author_name": "Someone of God", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T12:12:22.413000", "content": "I am affected by this pandemic as well. I've lost my access to the university hardware, all I can do right now is playing with a small subset of the videos on my laptop.
", "votes": 9, "replies": [] }, { "id": 772214, "author_name": "Victor Paslay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-15T07:05:16.380000", "content": "I would prefer the organizers shift the competition's deadline however it may be unfair with respect to other participants who expect the deadline on 31st of March and have their own plans.
", "votes": 8, "replies": [] }, { "id": 778317, "author_name": "madmax0404", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T10:44:26.220000", "content": "I didn't participate in this competition yet and personally want there to be an extension because that might give me enough time to participate, but to me, it seems like what's really fair is keeping the initial deadline.
", "votes": 6, "replies": [] }, { "id": 772221, "author_name": "Oleg Trott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-15T07:20:19.803000", "content": "A lot of students, etc. are affected: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/14/stanford-tells-students-to-leave-campus-after-undergrad-tests-positive-for-covid-19/
", "votes": 6, "replies": [] }, { "id": 778427, "author_name": "Nuno Ferreira", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T12:34:26.300000", "content": "First of all let me say that I'm fine with either extending the competition deadline or not. That said, here it goes my opinion about this request for extension.
\n\nAlthough in my case the COVID isn't affecting my capacity or resources to work on this competition, I'm in favor of an extension because there are others that might be affected by it. Either being directly impacted and not able to work, or prevented from using resources due to schools or other places closing down.\nIn the end everyone will have more time to improve their models, including the top competitors. So a better deep fake detection model will be created 😀
", "votes": 6, "replies": [] }, { "id": 789048, "author_name": "Emre Bayram", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-28T10:00:41.077000", "content": "Normally I would be against extensions given rules are set at the beginning.\nPersonally in this case I am in favor of an extension. Because indeed it is extraordinary; and the majority is got affected.\nThe reason I am in favor; If you check my submissions I was submitting everyday until a month ago.\nBut within last 30 days; my kids are at home and I prioritized them(of course) heavily and i barely submit anything in last 30 days. Now things are better(we have adapted to the new routine); so I can start again working on this one. Probably there are many people like this.
\n\nBut I understand if there is no extension.
", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 777989, "author_name": "YoonSoo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T04:05:22.567000", "content": "I'm against extending deadline for some reasons.\n1. We don't know when covid-19 situation will end. It can last more than 2 months from now, and can even get worse globally. I don't think extending the deadline one or two weeks will add fairness to those who are strongly affected by covid. Rather, if the covid situation gets worse, extending deadline will be a disadvantage to those who are strongly affected by covid.\n2. Participating Kaggle competition is one of the few activities that are not directly affected by this covid-19 situation, since it is done online and people don't need to contact face to face to write code and submit a solution. Altering the schedule which has been decided almost 4 months ahead, is better be avoided.\n3. We are given 4 months for this competition, which is already 2x normal kaggle competition duration. Also, all of us had ~2 months that were not affected by covid.\n4. Dedicated participants, who have been working hard for more than 3 months, have planned their schedules considering current deadline. Extending the deadline will be unfair to those participants.\n5. Only 2 weeks are left. 87.5% of the competition duration have passed, so it is nearing the end. Unexpected deadline extension near the competition end will lead to confusion.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 778075, "author_name": "Oleg Trott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T06:01:30.230000", "content": "\n\n\nYoonSoo wrote:
\n \nWe don't know when covid-19 situation will end.
\n
A month, I hope, unless people in charge make even more mistakes than they already did:
\n\n
I don't mean to pick on any country in particular. It looks like most of them screwed this up royally. I've been trying to tell anyone who'd listen that other countries need to copy Korea's approach BTW.
\n\n\n\n\nDedicated participants, who have been working hard for more than 3 months, have planned their schedules considering current deadline.
\n
They did, and many will be unable to finish this work...
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 776626, "author_name": "Thomas Sherk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-17T14:16:58.813000", "content": "We do not currently have access to the workstation computer we were previously using. This would be much appreciated.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 778628, "author_name": "Caffeinism🤔", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T15:48:49.443000", "content": "I think everyone had enough time to prepare for the virus outbreak in China and the possibility of the virus spreading. (Especially prepares related to access to GPUs.. There is no excuse.)\nEven extending due date is not fair to both those who are affected by the virus or not.\nSince I participated in the middle of the competition, extending due date is advantageous to me. But I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 779892, "author_name": "Someone of God", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-19T19:28:42.437000", "content": "\n\n\nI think everyone had enough time to prepare for the virus outbreak in China and the possibility of the virus spreading.
\n
That's ridiculous, nobody could foresee suspension of educational institutions in Europe because of a virus outbreak in China. Even the governments were caught unprepared.
\n\nI know nothing about cloud services, It's too much to expect me to move all my data and processes to a cloud service just because I heard the news.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 780237, "author_name": "Caffeinism🤔", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-20T05:00:02.803000", "content": "If the competition organizer says to extend the deadline, I think it will be a good opportunity and I will do my best.
\n\nI just think that extending the deadline is not fair at all. But I also respect the opinions of the individuals who commented here. The fairness of competition is also my personal opinion.
\n\nI am living in South Korea and it has been 3 weeks since my PC has become difficult to access. So I agree with competitors' discomfort about environments, but as I said ... I just think extending the deadline is unfair.
\n\n(My opinion on remote access seems to be that I'm more of a computer engineer than a data scientist, but I don't have any knowledge of remote access. Most of the problems are solved by searching the internet.🙂 )
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 780304, "author_name": "Oleg Trott", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-20T06:22:50.863000", "content": "\n\n\nCaffeinism🤔 wrote:
\n \nIf the competition organizer says to extend the deadline
\n
My guess is that it's not happening, since no one from Kaggle responded here.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 772300, "author_name": "ryches", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-15T09:58:12.983000", "content": "Deadline extensions have not been popular on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/c/ieee-fraud-detection/discussion/110777
\n\nObviously, the covid-19 epidemic is a very special case, but just sharing this to show the counterpoint to extending the deadline. Many people have been working on this problem for a long time and plan breaks around competition end.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 772760, "author_name": "Jeramia Poland", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-15T21:51:46.767000", "content": "People were upset the deadline was extended at the last minute, after many submission were already entered. This wouldn't be the same.
", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 772791, "author_name": "James Thornton", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-15T23:02:23.117000", "content": "I think this link provides useful context, but it would not apply to a clearly communicated extension for a global pandemic impacting a large number of competition participants. The link shows a case where the organizers waited until the last minute and extended the deadline because of a small mistake on their part, which didn't affect most of the participants. In our case, there is still time to communicate the extension in advance, and the issue has a much heavier impact. If the organizers act promptly instead of waiting for the virus to force a last-minute extension, everyone will have time to adjust their post-competition plans. They probably have to adjust those plans anyways because of the crisis. If the extension is given a week or two in advance, and is given for a reason that is globally impacting the international community, then it will be a legitimate extension.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 774846, "author_name": "ryches", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T01:53:27.423000", "content": "@jeramiapoland @jamesthornton I agree with your points. I am not personally against it (I havent even been actively working on this recently), I just wanted to give the context of the response last time there was a delay.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 780693, "author_name": "Santosh Kumar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-20T14:20:20.033000", "content": "I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 775504, "author_name": "Shangqiu Li", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T18:41:36.727000", "content": "+1
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 772763, "author_name": "Jeramia Poland", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-15T21:52:44.770000", "content": "I would also like an extension, a week or two would be great. We've been \"quarantined\" for at least two weeks. I don't have access to my workstation. I'm sure there are other people that have had to at least switch platforms; teams that no longer meet, etc.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 788479, "author_name": "Sirish Somanchi", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-27T17:41:14.257000", "content": "Some more thoughts:
\n\nWhy is extension \"unfair\" to LB Toppers?\nSomeone could be at top of LB because someone else did not have time to complete their model.\nSo, I believe that an extension always helps the (real) Toppers!
Someone planning vacation/travel - well that is NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE NOW because of Coronavirus lockdowns world-wide!
Also helps with restriction of 2 submissions only per day etc.
EVERYONE in the world and all our families are affected by Coronavirus related restrictions right now.
\n\nIf not a big extension, at least 2 weeks should be considered to compensate for all the disturbances, so that participants get a chance to complete their work and submit their best models.
\n\nPS: In addition to other restrictions already being enforced, India has just announced a 3-week country-wide lockdown starting today\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-indias-prime-minister-orders-nationwide-lockdown.html
", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 788224, "author_name": "Santosh Kumar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-27T13:48:54.503000", "content": "@sirishks , Agree with your thought
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 776228, "author_name": "xxn-xx", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-17T08:07:24.087000", "content": "Interesting. It's not fair for those who have done a lot to work at home, such as preparing data again and buying new services. You should prepare earlier for this instead of asking for extension.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 775904, "author_name": "CoooolerData", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-17T02:31:40.343000", "content": "Yes, with more and more people impacted by COVID-19, it will be fair to extend the deadline a bit.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 772787, "author_name": "James Thornton", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-15T22:53:43.160000", "content": "I agree with extending the deadline, because it is the fair choice. If the deadline remains the same, then a large number of people in the competition who are affected by the epidemic will be unfairly disadvantaged. Plus, anyone who works a job will probably have to sacrifice sleep if they want to be competitive as the deadline approaches. This can put them at risk for the virus by weakening their immune system. An extra couple of weeks would give us both a fairer competition and a better end result in terms of the solutions that come out of this. There is also clear precedent based on the international response to this crisis.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 776662, "author_name": "Neos", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-17T14:40:02.753000", "content": "Hello all,
\n\nFirst of all, I wish you all safety and good health amid the COVID-19 crisis that has hit the world. I am also writing to ask for an extension of the deadline since, in my country, a ban has been issued on leaving homes; therefore, my team is no longer capable of accessing the hardware at university. Some people might suggest using online services such as AWS; however, I would like to stress the fact that not everyone is privileged to use such services. As a result, a large portion of the community is forced to put a halt to their competition work. Consequently, it is reasonable to extend the deadline to give competitors the chance to effectively engage with the competition.
\n\nThanks and good luck to all.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 776587, "author_name": "Shahinur Rahman Khan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-17T13:44:33.093000", "content": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 775486, "author_name": "Saravanan Kandasamy", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T18:20:40.997000", "content": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 788454, "author_name": "Sirish Somanchi", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-27T17:22:07.027000", "content": "Two reasons for Extension supported by Leaderboard scores trend:
\n\nNO extension : scores will be around 0.20 on 1-Apr\nWITH Extension : best scores could go below 0.17 by 15-Apr
\n\nTrend:\n(i) In recent two weeks, WestLake went from 0.25028 (12-Mar) to 0.2023 (26-Mar)\n(ii) Others also, best score of 0.20x achieved only now (this week since 21-Mar)
More importantly, top scores are still not below 0.100\nwhereas 99% accuracy is reported by Research papers such as below\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/deepfake-detection-challenge/discussion/133348
\n\nMy conclusion: The competition organizers will definitely benefit by an extension!!
", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 778356, "author_name": "FGPC", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T11:15:07.470000", "content": "To be fair to those who doesn't want to extend the deadline regardless of reason/s, we need to climb to at least top 10 or reach a score of less than 0.22 before we demand any deadline extension.
", "votes": -2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 786120, "author_name": "Sasha Baraulia", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-25T16:37:24.427000", "content": "Yes, I am the all-0.5er at the moment, which gave me an opportunity to apply for and obtain my AWS credit. Yes I joined a month ago, which is now obvious for me that w/o any prior experience is not enough even to go through all the AWS ML facilities and assess their most efficient use possible, not even mentioning the comprehension on all the existing frameworks/models/approaches/techniques zoos. So at least 2 weeks extension would be really great for me to be able to spend my credit at least.
\n\nFrom the other point.. We still compete for finding the best DFs detection methods, while the rest of humanity is being struck by CoViD?... Please do not extend, we don't deserve it. And as AWS credit is valid through April, I think I would still be able to check my ideas after the challenge is closed.
\n\nLove and peace all around!
", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 784329, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-24T05:43:33.843000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 780270, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-20T05:37:20.587000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 778329, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-18T10:53:05.813000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 775583, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T20:40:16.137000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 788734, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-28T00:03:59.810000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 775200, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2020-03-16T12:00:12.263000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "772082": "Hello all, \n\nMaybe I am the only one, but this pandemic is making me lose time I could have spent on this challenge. Is it possible to ask for an extension for the 31 of March deadline?\n\nSince this is my first Kaggle challenge I am not sure if this has been done before or maybe frowned upon but if many are affected I think it is fair. \n\nPlease upvote if you agree the organizers should extend this challenge. ", "781047": "Hi everyone, we wanted to take a moment to acknowledge this thread and the valid points and opinions raised by all of you. This global pandemic is impacting us all in one way or another, and at Kaggle, we've definitely been giving thought to how our Kaggle family (the entire community) is being affected, so that we can be as supportive as possible in this difficult time.\n\nKaggle and the host team have discussed this competition's timeline and determined the fairest and least disruptive course of action is to stick with the existing timeline. This means March 31st is the deadline for submissions *and* making your 2 final submission selections, per the [competition's timeline](https://www.kaggle.com/c/deepfake-detection-challenge/overview/timeline) defined at the outset.\n\nWe hope everyone is staying safe. And remember to be kind to one another in how you are conveying your opinions -- as is always the rule on Kaggle, and of particular importance now.", "775558": "For us would be also nice to have an extension, we were testing and training the model at the office in our off-work hours, but due to the situation in Spain we can no longer access to that machine, so now we have to prepare another environment on the cloud from scratch.", "775446": "An extension wuld be appreciated.", "777699": "I don't mean for this to be derogatory, but I am seeing many of the people asking for an extension are people who have not surpassed or done any submissions beyond the all 0.5 benchmark. I don't feel we should delay a million-dollar competition for people who have not even generated a real submission yet. Some people have been working on this for 4 months straight. ", "778923": "This just became more interesting. There's indeed a lot of reasons for either against an extension, and agree with an extension. \n\nPeople who are not satisfied with their current rank regardless of what their current rank is will want an extension. People who are satisfied with their current rank and/or are not expecting their rank to go higher don't want an extension. \n\nSurely, there are lots of people affected by the coronavirus. They didn't think/expect that the coronavirus would spread to their country/region(at least for me). Take America as an example, a few weeks ago, the officials say people who have/possibly have the coronavirus are all quarantined, but all of a sudden, it started to spread out(and massive amount of people got sick, schools/universities closed). For us, we luckily didn't get affected by it, but I'm sure, some people are affected by it.\n\nFor those of who participated in the middle of the competition, its their choice, they're not forced to join lately. But for those of who are affected by the virus, they're forced to loose time.", "775205": "I am affected by this pandemic as well. I've lost my access to the university hardware, all I can do right now is playing with a small subset of the videos on my laptop.", "772214": "I would prefer the organizers shift the competition's deadline however it may be unfair with respect to other participants who expect the deadline on 31st of March and have their own plans.", "778317": "I didn't participate in this competition yet and personally want there to be an extension because that might give me enough time to participate, but to me, it seems like what's really fair is keeping the initial deadline.", "772221": "A lot of students, etc. are affected: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/14/stanford-tells-students-to-leave-campus-after-undergrad-tests-positive-for-covid-19/", "778427": "First of all let me say that I'm fine with either extending the competition deadline or not. That said, here it goes my opinion about this request for extension.\n\nAlthough in my case the COVID isn't affecting my capacity or resources to work on this competition, I'm in favor of an extension because there are others that might be affected by it. Either being directly impacted and not able to work, or prevented from using resources due to schools or other places closing down.\nIn the end everyone will have more time to improve their models, including the top competitors. So a better deep fake detection model will be created 😀 ", "789048": "Normally I would be against extensions given rules are set at the beginning.\nPersonally in this case I am in favor of an extension. Because indeed it is extraordinary; and the majority is got affected.\nThe reason I am in favor; If you check my submissions I was submitting everyday until a month ago.\nBut within last 30 days; my kids are at home and I prioritized them(of course) heavily and i barely submit anything in last 30 days. Now things are better(we have adapted to the new routine); so I can start again working on this one. Probably there are many people like this.\n\nBut I understand if there is no extension.", "777989": "I'm against extending deadline for some reasons.\n1. We don't know when covid-19 situation will end. It can last more than 2 months from now, and can even get worse globally. I don't think extending the deadline one or two weeks will add fairness to those who are strongly affected by covid. Rather, if the covid situation gets worse, extending deadline will be a disadvantage to those who are strongly affected by covid.\n2. Participating Kaggle competition is one of the few activities that are not directly affected by this covid-19 situation, since it is done online and people don't need to contact face to face to write code and submit a solution. Altering the schedule which has been decided almost 4 months ahead, is better be avoided.\n3. We are given 4 months for this competition, which is already 2x normal kaggle competition duration. Also, all of us had ~2 months that were not affected by covid.\n4. Dedicated participants, who have been working hard for more than 3 months, have planned their schedules considering current deadline. Extending the deadline will be unfair to those participants.\n5. Only 2 weeks are left. 87.5% of the competition duration have passed, so it is nearing the end. Unexpected deadline extension near the competition end will lead to confusion.", "776626": "We do not currently have access to the workstation computer we were previously using. This would be much appreciated.", "778628": "I think everyone had enough time to prepare for the virus outbreak in China and the possibility of the virus spreading. (Especially prepares related to access to GPUs.. There is no excuse.)\nEven extending due date is not fair to both those who are affected by the virus or not.\nSince I participated in the middle of the competition, extending due date is advantageous to me. But I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.", "772300": "Deadline extensions have not been popular on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/c/ieee-fraud-detection/discussion/110777\n\nObviously, the covid-19 epidemic is a very special case, but just sharing this to show the counterpoint to extending the deadline. Many people have been working on this problem for a long time and plan breaks around competition end. ", "780693": " I think extending due date is a loss of both fairness and equity.", "775504": "+1", "772763": "I would also like an extension, a week or two would be great. We've been \"quarantined\" for at least two weeks. I don't have access to my workstation. I'm sure there are other people that have had to at least switch platforms; teams that no longer meet, etc.", "788479": "Some more thoughts:\n\n1. Why is extension \"unfair\" to LB Toppers?\n Someone could be at top of LB because someone else did not have time to complete their model.\n So, I believe that an extension always helps the (real) Toppers!\n\n2. Someone planning vacation/travel - well that is NOT AT ALL POSSIBLE NOW because of Coronavirus lockdowns world-wide!\n\n3. Also helps with restriction of 2 submissions only per day etc.", "784981": "EVERYONE in the world and all our families are affected by Coronavirus related restrictions right now.\n\nIf not a big extension, at least 2 weeks should be considered to compensate for all the disturbances, so that participants get a chance to complete their work and submit their best models.\n\nPS: In addition to other restrictions already being enforced, India has just announced a 3-week country-wide lockdown starting today\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-indias-prime-minister-orders-nationwide-lockdown.html", "776228": "Interesting. It's not fair for those who have done a lot to work at home, such as preparing data again and buying new services. You should prepare earlier for this instead of asking for extension. ", "775904": "Yes, with more and more people impacted by COVID-19, it will be fair to extend the deadline a bit.", "772787": "I agree with extending the deadline, because it is the fair choice. If the deadline remains the same, then a large number of people in the competition who are affected by the epidemic will be unfairly disadvantaged. Plus, anyone who works a job will probably have to sacrifice sleep if they want to be competitive as the deadline approaches. This can put them at risk for the virus by weakening their immune system. An extra couple of weeks would give us both a fairer competition and a better end result in terms of the solutions that come out of this. There is also clear precedent based on the international response to this crisis.", "776662": "Hello all,\n\nFirst of all, I wish you all safety and good health amid the COVID-19 crisis that has hit the world. I am also writing to ask for an extension of the deadline since, in my country, a ban has been issued on leaving homes; therefore, my team is no longer capable of accessing the hardware at university. Some people might suggest using online services such as AWS; however, I would like to stress the fact that not everyone is privileged to use such services. As a result, a large portion of the community is forced to put a halt to their competition work. Consequently, it is reasonable to extend the deadline to give competitors the chance to effectively engage with the competition.\n\nThanks and good luck to all.", "776587": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good.", "775486": "Yes, an extension would definitely be good.", "788454": "Two reasons for Extension supported by Leaderboard scores trend:\n\n1. NO extension : scores will be around 0.20 on 1-Apr\n WITH Extension : best scores could go below 0.17 by 15-Apr\n \n Trend:\n (i) In recent two weeks, WestLake went from 0.25028 (12-Mar) to 0.2023 (26-Mar)\n (ii) Others also, best score of 0.20x achieved only now (this week since 21-Mar)\n\n2. More importantly, top scores are still not below 0.100\n whereas 99% accuracy is reported by Research papers such as below\n https://www.kaggle.com/c/deepfake-detection-challenge/discussion/133348\n - (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.11035.pdf)\n https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332812263_GAN_is_a_friend_or_foe_a_framework_to_detect_various_fake_face_images\n\nMy conclusion: The competition organizers will definitely benefit by an extension!!", "778356": "To be fair to those who doesn't want to extend the deadline regardless of reason/s, we need to climb to at least top 10 or reach a score of less than 0.22 before we demand any deadline extension.", "786120": "Yes, I am the all-0.5er at the moment, which gave me an opportunity to apply for and obtain my AWS credit. Yes I joined a month ago, which is now obvious for me that w/o any prior experience is not enough even to go through all the AWS ML facilities and assess their most efficient use possible, not even mentioning the comprehension on all the existing frameworks/models/approaches/techniques zoos. So at least 2 weeks extension would be really great for me to be able to spend my credit at least.\n\nFrom the other point.. We still compete for finding the best DFs detection methods, while the rest of humanity is being struck by CoViD?... Please do not extend, we don't deserve it. And as AWS credit is valid through April, I think I would still be able to check my ideas after the challenge is closed.\n\nLove and peace all around!", "784329": "Agree with you.", "780270": "", "778329": "Also worth considering, the fact that we can expect an sharp increase internet usage in the days to come. So even if some of us are using cloud platforms, it might be more complicated to do so properly due to extensive 'traffic' on the internet...", "775583": "interesting..", "788734": "", "775200": "" } }