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  "id": 585496,
  "title": "'unknown_animal' tags",
  "url": "/competitions/cupybara/discussion/585496",
  "author_name": "Axel Ferreira",
  "post_date": "2025-06-20T20:44:17.701000",
  "votes": 0,
  "comment_count": 7,
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  "content": "<p>Good afternoon, I wanted to ask something about the 'unknown_animal' tag, because there are videos in the training dataset (e.g.: 02170012.mp4 which shows a wild boar, I think?) and only its upper body is visible. Since it's at night, I can distinguish it a little, but I don't know if it counts as an identified animal or if it's just unknown. I would appreciate your response since it is an important question for generating the trained model. ;D</p>",
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    {
      "id": 3230868,
      "postDate": "2025-06-23T14:51:06.627Z",
      "content": "<p>Hi Alex,</p>\n<p>Thanks for flagging that video. You're right, it's a tricky one. Because an animal is visible but hard to identify, it should be classified as \"unknown_animal\".</p>\n<p>For clarity, the \"unknown_animal\" tag is used in two main cases:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Unclear Animal: When an animal is present, but obstructions, camera angles, or movement make it too difficult to identify the species confidently. (This applies to the video in question).</li>\n<li>Unlisted Species: When an animal is clearly recognized, but its species is not on our predefined list (e.g., a giraffe).</li>\n</ul>\n<p>Essentially, the rule of thumb is: \"I know there's an animal, but I'm not sure what it is\". Since we can see something in the video but can't be sure what it is, \"unknown_animal\" is the correct tag to use here.</p>\n<p>Let me know if you have any other questions.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi Alex,\n\nThanks for flagging that video. You're right, it's a tricky one. Because an animal is visible but hard to identify, it should be classified as \"unknown_animal\".\n\nFor clarity, the \"unknown_animal\" tag is used in two main cases:\n* Unclear Animal: When an animal is present, but obstructions, camera angles, or movement make it too difficult to identify the species confidently. (This applies to the video in question).\n* Unlisted Species: When an animal is clearly recognized, but its species is not on our predefined list (e.g., a giraffe).\n\nEssentially, the rule of thumb is: \"I know there's an animal, but I'm not sure what it is\". Since we can see something in the video but can't be sure what it is, \"unknown_animal\" is the correct tag to use here.\n\nLet me know if you have any other questions.",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 3238697,
          "postDate": "2025-07-02T05:54:48.400Z",
          "content": "<p>Hello again! I wanted to ask something about the classification of two specific videos:</p>\n<ul>\n<li><p>03210410.mp4 shows a bird, but it's very far in the background and only appears for a few seconds. I'm not sure whether this should be tagged as bird or unknown_animal.</p></li>\n<li><p>03210409.mp4 briefly shows a very small insect, and in the background, there's also a bird mostly in the shadows. Would that still be considered bird?</p></li>\n</ul>\n<p>I’d appreciate your response, as it’s important for the labeling process and the generation of the trained model. ;D</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Hello again! I wanted to ask something about the classification of two specific videos:\n\n- 03210410.mp4 shows a bird, but it's very far in the background and only appears for a few seconds. I'm not sure whether this should be tagged as bird or unknown_animal.\n\n- 03210409.mp4 briefly shows a very small insect, and in the background, there's also a bird mostly in the shadows. Would that still be considered bird?\n\nI’d appreciate your response, as it’s important for the labeling process and the generation of the trained model. ;D",
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 3238717,
              "postDate": "2025-07-02T06:22:37.893Z",
              "content": "<p>Also, IMAG0172.mp4 seems to have nothing visible at all in its 2 seconds duration. I suppose this would just be tagged as no_animal, right?</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Also, IMAG0172.mp4 seems to have nothing visible at all in its 2 seconds duration. I suppose this would just be tagged as no_animal, right?"
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            {
              "id": 3239107,
              "postDate": "2025-07-02T13:48:19.267Z",
              "content": "<p>Hi Alex, for both of these videos (03210410 &amp; 03210409) I would use the bird tag</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Hi Alex, for both of these videos (03210410 & 03210409) I would use the bird tag"
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              "id": 3239111,
              "postDate": "2025-07-02T13:49:41.573Z",
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            {
              "id": 3239112,
              "postDate": "2025-07-02T13:50:06.783Z",
              "content": "<p>That is correct, no_animal in this case (IMAG0172)</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "That is correct, no_animal in this case (IMAG0172)"
            },
            {
              "id": 3239502,
              "postDate": "2025-07-02T21:39:56.900Z",
              "content": "<p>Perfect, thank you so much ;D</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Perfect, thank you so much ;D"
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    {
      "id": 3229011,
      "postDate": "2025-06-20T20:44:17.700Z",
      "content": "<p>Good afternoon, I wanted to ask something about the 'unknown_animal' tag, because there are videos in the training dataset (e.g.: 02170012.mp4 which shows a wild boar, I think?) and only its upper body is visible. Since it's at night, I can distinguish it a little, but I don't know if it counts as an identified animal or if it's just unknown. I would appreciate your response since it is an important question for generating the trained model. ;D</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Good afternoon, I wanted to ask something about the 'unknown_animal' tag, because there are videos in the training dataset (e.g.: 02170012.mp4 which shows a wild boar, I think?) and only its upper body is visible. Since it's at night, I can distinguish it a little, but I don't know if it counts as an identified animal or if it's just unknown. I would appreciate your response since it is an important question for generating the trained model. ;D"
    }
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  "comments": [
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      "id": 3230868,
      "author_name": "Leonardo Agis",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2025-06-23T14:51:06.627000",
      "content": "<p>Hi Alex,</p>\n<p>Thanks for flagging that video. You're right, it's a tricky one. Because an animal is visible but hard to identify, it should be classified as \"unknown_animal\".</p>\n<p>For clarity, the \"unknown_animal\" tag is used in two main cases:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Unclear Animal: When an animal is present, but obstructions, camera angles, or movement make it too difficult to identify the species confidently. (This applies to the video in question).</li>\n<li>Unlisted Species: When an animal is clearly recognized, but its species is not on our predefined list (e.g., a giraffe).</li>\n</ul>\n<p>Essentially, the rule of thumb is: \"I know there's an animal, but I'm not sure what it is\". Since we can see something in the video but can't be sure what it is, \"unknown_animal\" is the correct tag to use here.</p>\n<p>Let me know if you have any other questions.</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
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          "id": 3238697,
          "author_name": "Axel Ferreira",
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          "post_date": "2025-07-02T05:54:48.400000",
          "content": "<p>Hello again! I wanted to ask something about the classification of two specific videos:</p>\n<ul>\n<li><p>03210410.mp4 shows a bird, but it's very far in the background and only appears for a few seconds. I'm not sure whether this should be tagged as bird or unknown_animal.</p></li>\n<li><p>03210409.mp4 briefly shows a very small insect, and in the background, there's also a bird mostly in the shadows. Would that still be considered bird?</p></li>\n</ul>\n<p>I’d appreciate your response, as it’s important for the labeling process and the generation of the trained model. ;D</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 3238717,
              "author_name": "Axel Ferreira",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2025-07-02T06:22:37.893000",
              "content": "<p>Also, IMAG0172.mp4 seems to have nothing visible at all in its 2 seconds duration. I suppose this would just be tagged as no_animal, right?</p>",
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            },
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              "id": 3239107,
              "author_name": "Leonardo Agis",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2025-07-02T13:48:19.267000",
              "content": "<p>Hi Alex, for both of these videos (03210410 &amp; 03210409) I would use the bird tag</p>",
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              "author_name": "",
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              "post_date": "2025-07-02T13:49:41.573000",
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              "votes": 0,
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            },
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              "id": 3239112,
              "author_name": "Leonardo Agis",
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              "post_date": "2025-07-02T13:50:06.783000",
              "content": "<p>That is correct, no_animal in this case (IMAG0172)</p>",
              "votes": 0,
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            },
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              "id": 3239502,
              "author_name": "Axel Ferreira",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2025-07-02T21:39:56.900000",
              "content": "<p>Perfect, thank you so much ;D</p>",
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    "3230868": "Hi Alex,\n\nThanks for flagging that video. You're right, it's a tricky one. Because an animal is visible but hard to identify, it should be classified as \"unknown_animal\".\n\nFor clarity, the \"unknown_animal\" tag is used in two main cases:\n* Unclear Animal: When an animal is present, but obstructions, camera angles, or movement make it too difficult to identify the species confidently. (This applies to the video in question).\n* Unlisted Species: When an animal is clearly recognized, but its species is not on our predefined list (e.g., a giraffe).\n\nEssentially, the rule of thumb is: \"I know there's an animal, but I'm not sure what it is\". Since we can see something in the video but can't be sure what it is, \"unknown_animal\" is the correct tag to use here.\n\nLet me know if you have any other questions.",
    "3229011": "Good afternoon, I wanted to ask something about the 'unknown_animal' tag, because there are videos in the training dataset (e.g.: 02170012.mp4 which shows a wild boar, I think?) and only its upper body is visible. Since it's at night, I can distinguish it a little, but I don't know if it counts as an identified animal or if it's just unknown. I would appreciate your response since it is an important question for generating the trained model. ;D"
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