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  "id": 163427,
  "title": "What will maximum leaderboard be?",
  "url": "/competitions/birdsong-recognition/discussion/163427",
  "author_name": "Chris Deotte",
  "post_date": "2020-07-02T01:56:09.603000",
  "votes": 11,
  "comment_count": 22,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>This looks like a tough competition. After a few weeks, the best leaderboard is only slightly better than the <code>sample_submission.csv</code>. When this competition ends, will the best leaderboard be similar to <code>sample_submission.csv</code>, or will the best leaderboard be better? What are your thoughts?</p>",
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    {
      "id": 911740,
      "postDate": "2020-07-02T01:56:09.603Z",
      "content": "<p>This looks like a tough competition. After a few weeks, the best leaderboard is only slightly better than the <code>sample_submission.csv</code>. When this competition ends, will the best leaderboard be similar to <code>sample_submission.csv</code>, or will the best leaderboard be better? What are your thoughts?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This looks like a tough competition. After a few weeks, the best leaderboard is only slightly better than the `sample_submission.csv`. When this competition ends, will the best leaderboard be similar to `sample_submission.csv`, or will the best leaderboard be better? What are your thoughts?",
      "votes": 11
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      "id": 911794,
      "postDate": "2020-07-02T02:59:06.063Z",
      "content": "<p>It will be better for sure (especially if you decide to join this competition 😄  )   </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It will be better for sure (especially if you decide to join this competition 😄  )   ",
      "votes": 4
    },
    {
      "id": 971657,
      "postDate": "2020-08-15T19:23:15.323Z",
      "content": "<p>My guess is 0.66 on public LB :)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "My guess is 0.66 on public LB :)",
      "votes": 1
    },
    {
      "id": 911755,
      "postDate": "2020-07-02T02:13:35.187Z",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"/cdeotte\">@cdeotte</a>, in my opinion huge number of classes and mp3 data with all files with different bit rate and different duration.. this will surely be a hard nut to crack. However, I am new to kaggle. I was looking for  a similar competition and found <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/freesound-audio-tagging\">Freesound General-Purpose Audio Tagging Challenge</a>.  I saw a massive improvement over the sample submission. </p>\n\n<p>You can direct me where I can learn audio processing for ML. Thanks.. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "@cdeotte, in my opinion huge number of classes and mp3 data with all files with different bit rate and different duration.. this will surely be a hard nut to crack. However, I am new to kaggle. I was looking for  a similar competition and found [Freesound General-Purpose Audio Tagging Challenge](https://www.kaggle.com/c/freesound-audio-tagging).  I saw a massive improvement over the sample submission. \n\nYou can direct me where I can learn audio processing for ML. Thanks.. ",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 914170,
          "postDate": "2020-07-03T16:55:39.707Z",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"/redwankarimsony\">@redwankarimsony</a> Audio processing for music applications by Xavier sierra,is good place to learn about transforms and audio processing.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "@redwankarimsony Audio processing for music applications by Xavier sierra,is good place to learn about transforms and audio processing.",
          "votes": 1
        },
        {
          "id": 914503,
          "postDate": "2020-07-04T01:43:49.883Z",
          "content": "<p>Thanks a lot <a href=\"/ashkhagan\">@ashkhagan</a> for the suggestion. My university is providing 9000 coursera courses free. I can readily join there :) </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Thanks a lot @ashkhagan for the suggestion. My university is providing 9000 coursera courses free. I can readily join there :) ",
          "votes": 1
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 914409,
      "postDate": "2020-07-03T20:58:08.387Z",
      "content": "<p>I believe we will see a break through soon and some team will achieve LB 0.60+ !</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I believe we will see a break through soon and some team will achieve LB 0.60+ !",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 968465,
          "postDate": "2020-08-13T03:35:31.067Z",
          "content": "<p>Someone surpassed LB 0.60!</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Someone surpassed LB 0.60!",
          "votes": 1
        },
        {
          "id": 968748,
          "postDate": "2020-08-13T08:11:00.143Z",
          "content": "<p>it was very difficult</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "it was very difficult",
          "votes": 3
        },
        {
          "id": 969774,
          "postDate": "2020-08-13T23:43:16.700Z",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/vlomme\" target=\"_blank\">@vlomme</a> Fantastic work!</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "@vlomme Fantastic work!"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 913122,
      "postDate": "2020-07-03T02:05:59.287Z",
      "content": "<p>my guess.. near 70s 😄 </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "my guess.. near 70s 😄 ",
      "votes": 2
    },
    {
      "id": 912088,
      "postDate": "2020-07-02T07:57:57.347Z",
      "content": "<p>This competition will be primarily about pre-processing and the domain is, at least for me, a brand new one. Surely, pretty much everyone knows about fft and probably in most cases this is where the knowledge stops. Definitely not enough to progress here :) So the scores will go up, once enough people get on boarded and also the pipelines are built</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "This competition will be primarily about pre-processing and the domain is, at least for me, a brand new one. Surely, pretty much everyone knows about fft and probably in most cases this is where the knowledge stops. Definitely not enough to progress here :) So the scores will go up, once enough people get on boarded and also the pipelines are built",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 914166,
          "postDate": "2020-07-03T16:54:18.343Z",
          "content": "<p>got to bring in the big guns dft,stft then 😂 </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "got to bring in the big guns dft,stft then 😂 "
        },
        {
          "id": 914501,
          "postDate": "2020-07-04T01:43:02.417Z",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"/ashkhagan\">@ashkhagan</a>, In my view, some of the factors like unequal audio duration, variable bit-rates,  mute portion of the raw audio, unequal samples per class demands heavy pre processing even before applying DFT or STFT. </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "@ashkhagan, In my view, some of the factors like unequal audio duration, variable bit-rates,  mute portion of the raw audio, unequal samples per class demands heavy pre processing even before applying DFT or STFT. ",
          "votes": 2
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 914401,
      "postDate": "2020-07-03T20:45:44.427Z",
      "content": "<p>Why is there a large group at 0.56?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Why is there a large group at 0.56?",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 914408,
          "postDate": "2020-07-03T20:56:38.280Z",
          "content": "<p>Because everyone has hit a ceiling. The sample submission scores 0.54 and the best public notebook scores 0.56. So far we have not done much better than random guessing.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Because everyone has hit a ceiling. The sample submission scores 0.54 and the best public notebook scores 0.56. So far we have not done much better than random guessing.",
          "votes": 3
        },
        {
          "id": 914418,
          "postDate": "2020-07-03T21:06:39.823Z",
          "content": "<p>Is this a bad sign of potential shakeup?</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Is this a bad sign of potential shakeup?"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 914146,
      "postDate": "2020-07-03T16:38:59.290Z",
      "content": "<p>I believe that the main issue with audio competitions not being so successful, like NLP and CV,  is that there is no way of effectively applying transfer learning.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I believe that the main issue with audio competitions not being so successful, like NLP and CV,  is that there is no way of effectively applying transfer learning.",
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 914180,
          "postDate": "2020-07-03T17:00:41.087Z",
          "content": "<p>Maybe if we can translate the birdsong into text, then we can use BERT 😄 </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Maybe if we can translate the birdsong into text, then we can use BERT 😄 ",
          "votes": 5
        },
        {
          "id": 914185,
          "postDate": "2020-07-03T17:02:46.190Z",
          "content": "<p>I think Gilles <a href=\"/group16\">@group16</a> started translating some birdsongs into text <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/birdsong-recognition/discussion/159167\">here</a></p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "I think Gilles @group16 started translating some birdsongs into text [here][1]\n\n[1]: https://www.kaggle.com/c/birdsong-recognition/discussion/159167",
          "votes": 1
        },
        {
          "id": 914206,
          "postDate": "2020-07-03T17:15:31.570Z",
          "content": "<p>Haha! Jokes aside, transformers is legitimate idea.</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Haha! Jokes aside, transformers is legitimate idea."
        },
        {
          "id": 914620,
          "postDate": "2020-07-04T05:14:44.593Z",
          "content": "<p>Don't underestimate my bird-speak Chris!</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Don't underestimate my bird-speak Chris!",
          "votes": 1
        }
      ]
    },
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      "id": 913088,
      "postDate": "2020-07-03T00:25:56.430Z",
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      "id": 911794,
      "author_name": "yukiya",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-07-02T02:59:06.063000",
      "content": "<p>It will be better for sure (especially if you decide to join this competition 😄  )   </p>",
      "votes": 4,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 971657,
      "author_name": "beluga",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-08-15T19:23:15.323000",
      "content": "<p>My guess is 0.66 on public LB :)</p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 911755,
      "author_name": "Redwan Sony",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-07-02T02:13:35.187000",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"/cdeotte\">@cdeotte</a>, in my opinion huge number of classes and mp3 data with all files with different bit rate and different duration.. this will surely be a hard nut to crack. However, I am new to kaggle. I was looking for  a similar competition and found <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/freesound-audio-tagging\">Freesound General-Purpose Audio Tagging Challenge</a>.  I saw a massive improvement over the sample submission. </p>\n\n<p>You can direct me where I can learn audio processing for ML. Thanks.. </p>",
      "votes": 1,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 914170,
          "author_name": "Ashwani Rathee",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-03T16:55:39.707000",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"/redwankarimsony\">@redwankarimsony</a> Audio processing for music applications by Xavier sierra,is good place to learn about transforms and audio processing.</p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 914503,
          "author_name": "Redwan Sony",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-04T01:43:49.883000",
          "content": "<p>Thanks a lot <a href=\"/ashkhagan\">@ashkhagan</a> for the suggestion. My university is providing 9000 coursera courses free. I can readily join there :) </p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
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    {
      "id": 914409,
      "author_name": "Chris Deotte",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-07-03T20:58:08.387000",
      "content": "<p>I believe we will see a break through soon and some team will achieve LB 0.60+ !</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 968465,
          "author_name": "Chris Deotte",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-08-13T03:35:31.067000",
          "content": "<p>Someone surpassed LB 0.60!</p>",
          "votes": 1,
          "replies": []
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        {
          "id": 968748,
          "author_name": "Kramarenko Vladislav",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-08-13T08:11:00.143000",
          "content": "<p>it was very difficult</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 969774,
          "author_name": "Chris Deotte",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-08-13T23:43:16.700000",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/vlomme\" target=\"_blank\">@vlomme</a> Fantastic work!</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 913122,
      "author_name": "johnny",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-07-03T02:05:59.287000",
      "content": "<p>my guess.. near 70s 😄 </p>",
      "votes": 2,
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    {
      "id": 912088,
      "author_name": "snovik",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-07-02T07:57:57.347000",
      "content": "<p>This competition will be primarily about pre-processing and the domain is, at least for me, a brand new one. Surely, pretty much everyone knows about fft and probably in most cases this is where the knowledge stops. Definitely not enough to progress here :) So the scores will go up, once enough people get on boarded and also the pipelines are built</p>",
      "votes": 2,
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          "id": 914166,
          "author_name": "Ashwani Rathee",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-03T16:54:18.343000",
          "content": "<p>got to bring in the big guns dft,stft then 😂 </p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 914501,
          "author_name": "Redwan Sony",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-04T01:43:02.417000",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"/ashkhagan\">@ashkhagan</a>, In my view, some of the factors like unequal audio duration, variable bit-rates,  mute portion of the raw audio, unequal samples per class demands heavy pre processing even before applying DFT or STFT. </p>",
          "votes": 2,
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    {
      "id": 914401,
      "author_name": "Bo Peng",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-07-03T20:45:44.427000",
      "content": "<p>Why is there a large group at 0.56?</p>",
      "votes": 0,
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          "id": 914408,
          "author_name": "Chris Deotte",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-03T20:56:38.280000",
          "content": "<p>Because everyone has hit a ceiling. The sample submission scores 0.54 and the best public notebook scores 0.56. So far we have not done much better than random guessing.</p>",
          "votes": 3,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 914418,
          "author_name": "Bo Peng",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-03T21:06:39.823000",
          "content": "<p>Is this a bad sign of potential shakeup?</p>",
          "votes": 0,
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    {
      "id": 914146,
      "author_name": "Nikola Bacic",
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      "post_date": "2020-07-03T16:38:59.290000",
      "content": "<p>I believe that the main issue with audio competitions not being so successful, like NLP and CV,  is that there is no way of effectively applying transfer learning.</p>",
      "votes": 0,
      "replies": [
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          "id": 914180,
          "author_name": "Chris Deotte",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-03T17:00:41.087000",
          "content": "<p>Maybe if we can translate the birdsong into text, then we can use BERT 😄 </p>",
          "votes": 5,
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        {
          "id": 914185,
          "author_name": "Chris Deotte",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-03T17:02:46.190000",
          "content": "<p>I think Gilles <a href=\"/group16\">@group16</a> started translating some birdsongs into text <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/birdsong-recognition/discussion/159167\">here</a></p>",
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          "id": 914206,
          "author_name": "Nikola Bacic",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-03T17:15:31.570000",
          "content": "<p>Haha! Jokes aside, transformers is legitimate idea.</p>",
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          "id": 914620,
          "author_name": "Gilles Vandewiele",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2020-07-04T05:14:44.593000",
          "content": "<p>Don't underestimate my bird-speak Chris!</p>",
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        }
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      "id": 913088,
      "author_name": "",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2020-07-03T00:25:56.430000",
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    "911740": "This looks like a tough competition. After a few weeks, the best leaderboard is only slightly better than the `sample_submission.csv`. When this competition ends, will the best leaderboard be similar to `sample_submission.csv`, or will the best leaderboard be better? What are your thoughts?",
    "911794": "It will be better for sure (especially if you decide to join this competition 😄  )   ",
    "971657": "My guess is 0.66 on public LB :)",
    "911755": "@cdeotte, in my opinion huge number of classes and mp3 data with all files with different bit rate and different duration.. this will surely be a hard nut to crack. However, I am new to kaggle. I was looking for  a similar competition and found [Freesound General-Purpose Audio Tagging Challenge](https://www.kaggle.com/c/freesound-audio-tagging).  I saw a massive improvement over the sample submission. \n\nYou can direct me where I can learn audio processing for ML. Thanks.. ",
    "914409": "I believe we will see a break through soon and some team will achieve LB 0.60+ !",
    "913122": "my guess.. near 70s 😄 ",
    "912088": "This competition will be primarily about pre-processing and the domain is, at least for me, a brand new one. Surely, pretty much everyone knows about fft and probably in most cases this is where the knowledge stops. Definitely not enough to progress here :) So the scores will go up, once enough people get on boarded and also the pipelines are built",
    "914401": "Why is there a large group at 0.56?",
    "914146": "I believe that the main issue with audio competitions not being so successful, like NLP and CV,  is that there is no way of effectively applying transfer learning.",
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