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  "id": 576765,
  "title": "What's the origin of the SED model?",
  "url": "/competitions/birdclef-2025/discussion/576765",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2025-05-07T00:43:09.799440900Z",
  "votes": 1,
  "comment_count": 7,
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  "content": "<p>I was taking a look at some of what I think to be SED architectures, but I was wondering if anyone could link the birdclef specific variants that have been used in the past. From what I've gathered so far it seems like it's a convolutional feature extraction passed to an RNN module. Any resources would be appreciated, even those not related to birdclef.</p>",
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    {
      "id": "3195370",
      "postDate": "05/07/2025 00:43:09",
      "content": "<p>I was taking a look at some of what I think to be SED architectures, but I was wondering if anyone could link the birdclef specific variants that have been used in the past. From what I've gathered so far it seems like it's a convolutional feature extraction passed to an RNN module. Any resources would be appreciated, even those not related to birdclef.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I was taking a look at some of what I think to be SED architectures, but I was wondering if anyone could link the birdclef specific variants that have been used in the past. From what I've gathered so far it seems like it's a convolutional feature extraction passed to an RNN module. Any resources would be appreciated, even those not related to birdclef.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3195377",
      "postDate": "05/07/2025 00:53:43",
      "content": "<p>It applies attention over time-step features to highlight most important time-steps.<br>\nIt's weighted sum of class predictions over time, and weight is determined by the attention.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It applies attention over time-step features to highlight most important time-steps.\nIt's weighted sum of class predictions over time, and weight is determined by the attention.",
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    },
    {
      "id": "3197205",
      "postDate": "05/07/2025 22:07:22",
      "content": "<p>Thank you!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thank you!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3197264",
      "postDate": "05/08/2025 01:34:33",
      "content": "<p>From what I know, this is the first kernel that introduce SED from the earlier bird competition. It's very comprehensive<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/hidehisaarai1213/introduction-to-sound-event-detection\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/hidehisaarai1213/introduction-to-sound-event-detection</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "From what I know, this is the first kernel that introduce SED from the earlier bird competition. It's very comprehensive\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/hidehisaarai1213/introduction-to-sound-event-detection",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3197751",
      "postDate": "05/08/2025 14:22:31",
      "content": "<p>Hi, Did you use the intermediate layer features of the backbone? I'm currently a bit confused about whether a sequence length of 8×8 contains enough temporal/spatial information, even if it has a higher channel dimension.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi, Did you use the intermediate layer features of the backbone? I'm currently a bit confused about whether a sequence length of 8×8 contains enough temporal/spatial information, even if it has a higher channel dimension.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3199648",
      "postDate": "05/11/2025 09:25:03",
      "content": "<p>As I remember, it is an original paper - <a href=\"https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.02998\" target=\"_blank\">https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.02998</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "As I remember, it is an original paper - https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.02998",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3200064",
      "postDate": "05/12/2025 01:52:08",
      "content": "<p>Sweet. Thank you!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Sweet. Thank you!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3200065",
      "postDate": "05/12/2025 01:54:04",
      "content": "<p>Thank you! I thought I remembered an RNN being involved. I think this is what I was thinking about.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thank you! I thought I remembered an RNN being involved. I think this is what I was thinking about.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 3195377,
      "author_name": "salmanahmedtamu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/07/2025 00:53:43",
      "content": "<p>It applies attention over time-step features to highlight most important time-steps.<br>\nIt's weighted sum of class predictions over time, and weight is determined by the attention.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 3197205,
          "author_name": "willrice",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/07/2025 22:07:22",
          "content": "<p>Thank you!</p>",
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        },
        {
          "id": 3197751,
          "author_name": "ryenhails",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/08/2025 14:22:31",
          "content": "<p>Hi, Did you use the intermediate layer features of the backbone? I'm currently a bit confused about whether a sequence length of 8×8 contains enough temporal/spatial information, even if it has a higher channel dimension.</p>",
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      "id": 3197264,
      "author_name": "nyleve",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/08/2025 01:34:33",
      "content": "<p>From what I know, this is the first kernel that introduce SED from the earlier bird competition. It's very comprehensive<br>\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/code/hidehisaarai1213/introduction-to-sound-event-detection\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.kaggle.com/code/hidehisaarai1213/introduction-to-sound-event-detection</a></p>",
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      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 3200064,
          "author_name": "willrice",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/12/2025 01:52:08",
          "content": "<p>Sweet. Thank you!</p>",
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        }
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    {
      "id": 3199648,
      "author_name": "vladimirsydor",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "05/11/2025 09:25:03",
      "content": "<p>As I remember, it is an original paper - <a href=\"https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.02998\" target=\"_blank\">https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.02998</a></p>",
      "votes": null,
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        {
          "id": 3200065,
          "author_name": "willrice",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "05/12/2025 01:54:04",
          "content": "<p>Thank you! I thought I remembered an RNN being involved. I think this is what I was thinking about.</p>",
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    "3195370": "I was taking a look at some of what I think to be SED architectures, but I was wondering if anyone could link the birdclef specific variants that have been used in the past. From what I've gathered so far it seems like it's a convolutional feature extraction passed to an RNN module. Any resources would be appreciated, even those not related to birdclef.",
    "3195377": "It applies attention over time-step features to highlight most important time-steps.\nIt's weighted sum of class predictions over time, and weight is determined by the attention.",
    "3197205": "Thank you!",
    "3197264": "From what I know, this is the first kernel that introduce SED from the earlier bird competition. It's very comprehensive\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/code/hidehisaarai1213/introduction-to-sound-event-detection",
    "3197751": "Hi, Did you use the intermediate layer features of the backbone? I'm currently a bit confused about whether a sequence length of 8×8 contains enough temporal/spatial information, even if it has a higher channel dimension.",
    "3199648": "As I remember, it is an original paper - https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.02998",
    "3200064": "Sweet. Thank you!",
    "3200065": "Thank you! I thought I remembered an RNN being involved. I think this is what I was thinking about."
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