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  "id": 575409,
  "title": "Efficient V2 drops my score",
  "url": "/competitions/birdclef-2025/discussion/575409",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2025-04-28T11:46:27.985173700Z",
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  "comment_count": 3,
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  "content": "<p>Have anyone tried Efficient net v2 series?<br>\nFor me, I use an efficient v2 m, but it drops my rate (0.82+ -&gt; 0.768). <br>\nIt seems strange as the efficient v looks more modern than b. (personal opinion)<br>\nBTW, what's the single best model for you?<br>\nmy efficient net b4 got 0.821 (still improving)</p>",
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      "id": "3188888",
      "postDate": "04/28/2025 11:46:27",
      "content": "<p>Have anyone tried Efficient net v2 series?<br>\nFor me, I use an efficient v2 m, but it drops my rate (0.82+ -&gt; 0.768). <br>\nIt seems strange as the efficient v looks more modern than b. (personal opinion)<br>\nBTW, what's the single best model for you?<br>\nmy efficient net b4 got 0.821 (still improving)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Have anyone tried Efficient net v2 series?\nFor me, I use an efficient v2 m, but it drops my rate (0.82+ -> 0.768). \nIt seems strange as the efficient v looks more modern than b. (personal opinion)\nBTW, what's the single best model for you?\nmy efficient net b4 got 0.821 (still improving)",
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      "id": "3188929",
      "postDate": "04/28/2025 13:19:21",
      "content": "<p>I've only used efficientnet v1 b0 for now, but I'm curious what resolution spectrogram did you use to train? It might have an impact, since the <a href=\"https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.00298\" target=\"_blank\">EfficientNetV2 paper</a> used a fairly involved \"progressive learning\" training routine, slowly increasing image size from 128 -&gt; 300 while increasing regularization over 350+ epochs. The also reported V2 has somewhat worse accuracy than V1 for small models when not using progressive learning (table 11).</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I've only used efficientnet v1 b0 for now, but I'm curious what resolution spectrogram did you use to train? It might have an impact, since the [EfficientNetV2 paper](https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.00298) used a fairly involved \"progressive learning\" training routine, slowly increasing image size from 128 -> 300 while increasing regularization over 350+ epochs. The also reported V2 has somewhat worse accuracy than V1 for small models when not using progressive learning (table 11).",
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      "id": "3188954",
      "postDate": "04/28/2025 14:32:05",
      "content": "<p>thx for your reply. I also notice that the V2 is trained by a \"progressive learning\". However, I think progressive learning represents a large workload and I have not figure out how to combine progressive learning with K fold, since they are a little bit contrary. Also, some info show that efficient v2 can be defined as a backbone for object detection model, which may indicates that it can be used noramlly.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "thx for your reply. I also notice that the V2 is trained by a \"progressive learning\". However, I think progressive learning represents a large workload and I have not figure out how to combine progressive learning with K fold, since they are a little bit contrary. Also, some info show that efficient v2 can be defined as a backbone for object detection model, which may indicates that it can be used noramlly.",
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    {
      "id": "3188957",
      "postDate": "04/28/2025 14:36:23",
      "content": "<p>I only use the 380 size as input. It may be a little bit high i think </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I only use the 380 size as input. It may be a little bit high i think",
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      "id": 3188929,
      "author_name": "robbynevels",
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      "post_date": "04/28/2025 13:19:21",
      "content": "<p>I've only used efficientnet v1 b0 for now, but I'm curious what resolution spectrogram did you use to train? It might have an impact, since the <a href=\"https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.00298\" target=\"_blank\">EfficientNetV2 paper</a> used a fairly involved \"progressive learning\" training routine, slowly increasing image size from 128 -&gt; 300 while increasing regularization over 350+ epochs. The also reported V2 has somewhat worse accuracy than V1 for small models when not using progressive learning (table 11).</p>",
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          "id": 3188954,
          "author_name": "xinaocheng",
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          "post_date": "04/28/2025 14:32:05",
          "content": "<p>thx for your reply. I also notice that the V2 is trained by a \"progressive learning\". However, I think progressive learning represents a large workload and I have not figure out how to combine progressive learning with K fold, since they are a little bit contrary. Also, some info show that efficient v2 can be defined as a backbone for object detection model, which may indicates that it can be used noramlly.</p>",
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          "id": 3188957,
          "author_name": "xinaocheng",
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          "post_date": "04/28/2025 14:36:23",
          "content": "<p>I only use the 380 size as input. It may be a little bit high i think </p>",
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    "3188888": "Have anyone tried Efficient net v2 series?\nFor me, I use an efficient v2 m, but it drops my rate (0.82+ -> 0.768). \nIt seems strange as the efficient v looks more modern than b. (personal opinion)\nBTW, what's the single best model for you?\nmy efficient net b4 got 0.821 (still improving)",
    "3188929": "I've only used efficientnet v1 b0 for now, but I'm curious what resolution spectrogram did you use to train? It might have an impact, since the [EfficientNetV2 paper](https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.00298) used a fairly involved \"progressive learning\" training routine, slowly increasing image size from 128 -> 300 while increasing regularization over 350+ epochs. The also reported V2 has somewhat worse accuracy than V1 for small models when not using progressive learning (table 11).",
    "3188954": "thx for your reply. I also notice that the V2 is trained by a \"progressive learning\". However, I think progressive learning represents a large workload and I have not figure out how to combine progressive learning with K fold, since they are a little bit contrary. Also, some info show that efficient v2 can be defined as a backbone for object detection model, which may indicates that it can be used noramlly.",
    "3188957": "I only use the 380 size as input. It may be a little bit high i think"
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