Congratulations to the winner!
\nI just saw people winning the lottery here by just forking a single notebook . Over 200+ people have forked the same notbook, and some of them have won silver and some bronze ๐.
\nWhat a joke for those who are constantly working hard and trying to make every possible effort to win!
I think Kaggle staff should make some rules; there should be a constrant to make some changes if you fork a notebok othervise cannot submit. I want to see other perspectives on this.
\nEdit:
\nIn Image Matching Challenge 2024 - Hexathlon Many Kagglers raised their voices, and Kaggle staff did good work. My rank went from 114 to 85th after the competition finale.
Congratulations to the winner!
\nI just saw people winning the lottery here by just forking a single notebook . Over 200+ people have forked the same notbook, and some of them have won silver and some bronze ๐.
\nWhat a joke for those who are constantly working hard and trying to make every possible effort to win!
I think Kaggle staff should make some rules; there should be a constrant to make some changes if you fork a notebok othervise cannot submit. I want to see other perspectives on this.
\nEdit:
\nIn Image Matching Challenge 2024 - Hexathlon Many Kagglers raised their voices, and Kaggle staff did good work. My rank went from 114 to 85th after the competition finale.
May be there should be rules on submission count and last submission date because I saw lots of people only submit 1~5 times and their last submission is about a month ago. ๐ค
", "rawMarkdown": "May be there should be rules on submission count and last submission date because I saw lots of people only submit 1~5 times and their last submission is about a month ago. ๐ค", "votes": null }, { "id": "2866630", "postDate": "06/11/2024 12:24:06", "content": "In the event of an exact score tie, the tiebreaker is the team which submitted earlier.
Yes, and their rank is literally based on how early they submit that notebook.
", "rawMarkdown": "`In the event of an exact score tie, the tiebreaker is the team which submitted earlier.`\n\nYes, and their rank is literally based on how early they submit that notebook.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2866687", "postDate": "06/11/2024 12:58:13", "content": "and one more thing I feel concerned about is that this will create a bad habit for Kagglers in the future, many ppl will join tons of competitions, fork the highest public score notebook, and pray for a shake-up like this to happen.
", "rawMarkdown": "and one more thing I feel concerned about is that this will create a bad habit for Kagglers in the future, many ppl will join tons of competitions, fork the highest public score notebook, and pray for a shake-up like this to happen.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2866731", "postDate": "06/11/2024 13:19:44", "content": "I guess it is what many people did in this competition, submit and leave.
", "rawMarkdown": "I guess it is what many people did in this competition, submit and leave.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2866735", "postDate": "06/11/2024 13:21:12", "content": "Yeah exactly, this way it rewards copying the best with a chance of getting easy medals. If this happens more often, I think this will shift people to not trying their own ideas and will decrease research diversity in general in competitions. Hard work and experimentation should be rewarded, since that is how we advance the field :)
", "rawMarkdown": "Yeah exactly, this way it rewards copying the best with a chance of getting easy medals. If this happens more often, I think this will shift people to not trying their own ideas and will decrease research diversity in general in competitions. Hard work and experimentation should be rewarded, since that is how we advance the field :)", "votes": null }, { "id": "2866759", "postDate": "06/11/2024 13:43:27", "content": "@vipin20 Take it easy, man. It's depressing. That's crazy. The silver medal is open source laptop code. As long as you learn the knowledge, I don't think MEDALS matter, the gold medal area hasn't been moved much. And if you if the copy code got the medal may not send this post, let it go, don't care so much
", "rawMarkdown": "vipin20 Take it easy, man. It's depressing. That's crazy. The silver medal is open source laptop code. As long as you learn the knowledge, I don't think MEDALS matter, the gold medal area hasn't been moved much. And if you if the copy code got the medal may not send this post, let it go, don't care so much", "votes": null }, { "id": "2867258", "postDate": "06/11/2024 18:12:06", "content": "I see the sentiment here but I think itโs important to remember that doing such a thing in a productive way would be difficult. Fortunately this isnโt something that happens super often on Kaggle. The Kaggle team did recently add restrictions to posting code late in the game and added warnings for high scoring notebooks earlier on. I think this is something they are working on.
", "rawMarkdown": "I see the sentiment here but I think itโs important to remember that doing such a thing in a productive way would be difficult. Fortunately this isnโt something that happens super often on Kaggle. The Kaggle team did recently add restrictions to posting code late in the game and added warnings for high scoring notebooks earlier on. I think this is something they are working on.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2867771", "postDate": "06/12/2024 04:59:52", "content": "\n\nI think Kaggle staff should make some rules; there should be a constrant to make some changes if you fork a notebok othervise cannot submit. I want to see other perspectives on this.
\n
Hope that will never happen at Kaggle @vipin20.
\nI understand your resentment and disappointment for the situation when someone got same or better results without any efforts. But try to look to the situation from another point of view. Main outcomes for the time we invested in the competition domain is not a medals and positions but experience, knowledge and new data stories.
\nPeople like stories. The story 'I forked notebook and got my silver medal' is nothing against 'We were listening to the sounds of pigeons with a bearded stranger from my team on the Internet when we were solving a bird recognition competition and came up with a dirty hack. It didn't work but it was cool' ๐
\nSo go on.. Do not be upset. Just step in to your next competition and have fun like there is no medal and money prizes there and do not care about hundreds of notebook forkers.
", "rawMarkdown": ">I think Kaggle staff should make some rules; there should be a constrant to make some changes if you fork a notebok othervise cannot submit. I want to see other perspectives on this.\n\nHope that will never happen at Kaggle @vipin20. \n\nI understand your resentment and disappointment for the situation when someone got same or better results without any efforts. But try to look to the situation from another point of view. Main outcomes for the time we invested in the competition domain is not a medals and positions but **experience, knowledge and new data stories**. \n\nPeople like stories. The story 'I forked notebook and got my silver medal' is nothing against 'We were listening to the sounds of pigeons with a bearded stranger from my team on the Internet when we were solving a bird recognition competition and came up with a dirty hack. It didn't work but it was cool' ๐\n\nSo go on.. Do not be upset. Just step in to your next competition and have fun like there is no medal and money prizes there and do not care about hundreds of notebook forkers.", "votes": null }, { "id": "2867824", "postDate": "06/12/2024 05:21:09", "content": "This is an important observation. I think high scoring public notebooks should not be posted 15-20 days before the final.
\nThere is also danger of AI generated code and soon many competition winners can be AI based avatars!
May be there should be rules on submission count and last submission date because I saw lots of people only submit 1~5 times and their last submission is about a month ago. ๐ค
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2866630, "author_name": "levinguyen02", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/11/2024 12:24:06", "content": "In the event of an exact score tie, the tiebreaker is the team which submitted earlier.
Yes, and their rank is literally based on how early they submit that notebook.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 2866687, "author_name": "levinguyen02", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/11/2024 12:58:13", "content": "and one more thing I feel concerned about is that this will create a bad habit for Kagglers in the future, many ppl will join tons of competitions, fork the highest public score notebook, and pray for a shake-up like this to happen.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 2866731, "author_name": "sakurayuyuko", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/11/2024 13:19:44", "content": "I guess it is what many people did in this competition, submit and leave.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2866735, "author_name": "hugodeheer", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/11/2024 13:21:12", "content": "Yeah exactly, this way it rewards copying the best with a chance of getting easy medals. If this happens more often, I think this will shift people to not trying their own ideas and will decrease research diversity in general in competitions. Hard work and experimentation should be rewarded, since that is how we advance the field :)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] } ] }, { "id": 2866759, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/11/2024 13:43:27", "content": "@vipin20 Take it easy, man. It's depressing. That's crazy. The silver medal is open source laptop code. As long as you learn the knowledge, I don't think MEDALS matter, the gold medal area hasn't been moved much. And if you if the copy code got the medal may not send this post, let it go, don't care so much
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2867258, "author_name": "cody11null", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/11/2024 18:12:06", "content": "I see the sentiment here but I think itโs important to remember that doing such a thing in a productive way would be difficult. Fortunately this isnโt something that happens super often on Kaggle. The Kaggle team did recently add restrictions to posting code late in the game and added warnings for high scoring notebooks earlier on. I think this is something they are working on.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2867771, "author_name": "samvelkoch", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/12/2024 04:59:52", "content": "\n\nI think Kaggle staff should make some rules; there should be a constrant to make some changes if you fork a notebok othervise cannot submit. I want to see other perspectives on this.
\n
Hope that will never happen at Kaggle @vipin20.
\nI understand your resentment and disappointment for the situation when someone got same or better results without any efforts. But try to look to the situation from another point of view. Main outcomes for the time we invested in the competition domain is not a medals and positions but experience, knowledge and new data stories.
\nPeople like stories. The story 'I forked notebook and got my silver medal' is nothing against 'We were listening to the sounds of pigeons with a bearded stranger from my team on the Internet when we were solving a bird recognition competition and came up with a dirty hack. It didn't work but it was cool' ๐
\nSo go on.. Do not be upset. Just step in to your next competition and have fun like there is no medal and money prizes there and do not care about hundreds of notebook forkers.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2867824, "author_name": "crsuthikshnkumar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/12/2024 05:21:09", "content": "This is an important observation. I think high scoring public notebooks should not be posted 15-20 days before the final.
\nThere is also danger of AI generated code and soon many competition winners can be AI based avatars!