{
  "id": 494534,
  "title": "Scores with & without external data",
  "url": "/competitions/birdclef-2024/discussion/494534",
  "author_name": "Arun",
  "post_date": "2024-04-17T13:09:15.195000",
  "votes": 5,
  "comment_count": 13,
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  "content": "<p>So far my best LB score is 0.66 using only the competition data, I haven't tried any old competitions data yet would update this post once I did, if anyone did could they share what's your best score with and without the previous competitions data?, this info might help the community to push the scores to a better end.</p>",
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      "id": 2757753,
      "postDate": "2024-04-17T17:40:38.537Z",
      "content": "<p>I used pre-trained models from 2022 and 2023 data,  score ~ 0.65; without using pre-trained models, the score ~ 0.64.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I used pre-trained models from 2022 and 2023 data,  score ~ 0.65; without using pre-trained models, the score ~ 0.64.",
      "votes": 7,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2758206,
          "postDate": "2024-04-18T02:51:12.337Z",
          "content": "<p>Thanks for the sharing </p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for the sharing "
        }
      ]
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    {
      "id": 2757364,
      "postDate": "2024-04-17T13:09:15.197Z",
      "content": "<p>So far my best LB score is 0.66 using only the competition data, I haven't tried any old competitions data yet would update this post once I did, if anyone did could they share what's your best score with and without the previous competitions data?, this info might help the community to push the scores to a better end.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "So far my best LB score is 0.66 using only the competition data, I haven't tried any old competitions data yet would update this post once I did, if anyone did could they share what's your best score with and without the previous competitions data?, this info might help the community to push the scores to a better end.",
      "votes": 5
    },
    {
      "id": 2757663,
      "postDate": "2024-04-17T16:43:14.563Z",
      "content": "<p>My most stable model scores ~0.665 (5 is approx), and this same model trained without the external data scores ~0.655 (again the third digit is approx)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "My most stable model scores ~0.665 (5 is approx), and this same model trained without the external data scores ~0.655 (again the third digit is approx)",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2757749,
          "postDate": "2024-04-17T17:38:16.910Z",
          "content": "<p>Oh thanks for letting me know, did you start ensemby? I have seen you on previous BirdCLF leaderboard, the last years scores reached .8+ public score, do you think that could also be the case for this competition?</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "Oh thanks for letting me know, did you start ensemby? I have seen you on previous BirdCLF leaderboard, the last years scores reached .8+ public score, do you think that could also be the case for this competition?"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 2757595,
      "postDate": "2024-04-17T15:52:58.023Z",
      "content": "<p>I tried pre-training with the data from BirdCLEF 2021-2023, but the improvements were minimal in my case. I'm curious if you've already started ensembling or if it's a single model that got you 66% LB?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I tried pre-training with the data from BirdCLEF 2021-2023, but the improvements were minimal in my case. I'm curious if you've already started ensembling or if it's a single model that got you 66% LB?",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2757623,
          "postDate": "2024-04-17T16:22:29.610Z",
          "content": "<p>I think the training data is already huge with the number of 5 sec samples we can make , it does adds a large diversity even without any external data, and no i did not use ensembly yet, I have checked previous competitions score and they reached public score of 0.8+ so I think we should atleast get 0.75+ single model score before ensembly</p>",
          "rawMarkdown": "I think the training data is already huge with the number of 5 sec samples we can make , it does adds a large diversity even without any external data, and no i did not use ensembly yet, I have checked previous competitions score and they reached public score of 0.8+ so I think we should atleast get 0.75+ single model score before ensembly",
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2757690,
              "postDate": "2024-04-17T17:03:43.073Z",
              "content": "<p>Are you also using the unlabeled data?</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Are you also using the unlabeled data?"
            },
            {
              "id": 2757738,
              "postDate": "2024-04-17T17:34:27.640Z",
              "content": "<p>no I am not using them as of now,</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "no I am not using them as of now,"
            },
            {
              "id": 2757752,
              "postDate": "2024-04-17T17:40:04.767Z",
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              "id": 2757757,
              "postDate": "2024-04-17T17:41:34.383Z",
              "content": "<p>I used 5kfolds and there was a lot of variation per fold. I wonder if not using your ensemble means you used 1 fold out of 5 or multiple folds out of 5. And I'm curious if you've seen score differentials by fold as well.</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "I used 5kfolds and there was a lot of variation per fold. I wonder if not using your ensemble means you used 1 fold out of 5 or multiple folds out of 5. And I'm curious if you've seen score differentials by fold as well."
            },
            {
              "id": 2757826,
              "postDate": "2024-04-17T18:20:08.423Z",
              "content": "<p>I submitted 5 folds of the same model training, 1 fold scores 0.66 and other scores low 0.64s - low 0.65s, and this is the most stable one, The model I had 3 days into the competition gets 0.67 on a fold and 0.62 on another</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "I submitted 5 folds of the same model training, 1 fold scores 0.66 and other scores low 0.64s - low 0.65s, and this is the most stable one, The model I had 3 days into the competition gets 0.67 on a fold and 0.62 on another",
              "votes": 3
            },
            {
              "id": 2757847,
              "postDate": "2024-04-17T18:44:19.893Z",
              "content": "<p>Thank you for sharing this valuable information with us😃</p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for sharing this valuable information with us😃"
            },
            {
              "id": 2758205,
              "postDate": "2024-04-18T02:50:01.447Z",
              "content": "<p>I am using a normal test and train Split, and yes I did find visible variation in the scores when using different Splits </p>",
              "rawMarkdown": "I am using a normal test and train Split, and yes I did find visible variation in the scores when using different Splits "
            }
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      "id": 2757753,
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      "post_date": "2024-04-17T17:40:38.537000",
      "content": "<p>I used pre-trained models from 2022 and 2023 data,  score ~ 0.65; without using pre-trained models, the score ~ 0.64.</p>",
      "votes": 7,
      "replies": [
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          "id": 2758206,
          "author_name": "Arun",
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          "post_date": "2024-04-18T02:51:12.337000",
          "content": "<p>Thanks for the sharing </p>",
          "votes": 0,
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        }
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    },
    {
      "id": 2757663,
      "author_name": "Harshit Sheoran",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-04-17T16:43:14.563000",
      "content": "<p>My most stable model scores ~0.665 (5 is approx), and this same model trained without the external data scores ~0.655 (again the third digit is approx)</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2757749,
          "author_name": "Arun",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-04-17T17:38:16.910000",
          "content": "<p>Oh thanks for letting me know, did you start ensemby? I have seen you on previous BirdCLF leaderboard, the last years scores reached .8+ public score, do you think that could also be the case for this competition?</p>",
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      "id": 2757595,
      "author_name": "Hicham Bellafkir",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "2024-04-17T15:52:58.023000",
      "content": "<p>I tried pre-training with the data from BirdCLEF 2021-2023, but the improvements were minimal in my case. I'm curious if you've already started ensembling or if it's a single model that got you 66% LB?</p>",
      "votes": 2,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 2757623,
          "author_name": "Arun",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "2024-04-17T16:22:29.610000",
          "content": "<p>I think the training data is already huge with the number of 5 sec samples we can make , it does adds a large diversity even without any external data, and no i did not use ensembly yet, I have checked previous competitions score and they reached public score of 0.8+ so I think we should atleast get 0.75+ single model score before ensembly</p>",
          "votes": 0,
          "replies": [
            {
              "id": 2757690,
              "author_name": "Hicham Bellafkir",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-04-17T17:03:43.073000",
              "content": "<p>Are you also using the unlabeled data?</p>",
              "votes": 0,
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            },
            {
              "id": 2757738,
              "author_name": "Arun",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-04-17T17:34:27.640000",
              "content": "<p>no I am not using them as of now,</p>",
              "votes": 0,
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              "id": 2757752,
              "author_name": "",
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              "post_date": "2024-04-17T17:40:04.767000",
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              "votes": 0,
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            {
              "id": 2757757,
              "author_name": "HB",
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              "post_date": "2024-04-17T17:41:34.383000",
              "content": "<p>I used 5kfolds and there was a lot of variation per fold. I wonder if not using your ensemble means you used 1 fold out of 5 or multiple folds out of 5. And I'm curious if you've seen score differentials by fold as well.</p>",
              "votes": 0,
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            {
              "id": 2757826,
              "author_name": "Harshit Sheoran",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-04-17T18:20:08.423000",
              "content": "<p>I submitted 5 folds of the same model training, 1 fold scores 0.66 and other scores low 0.64s - low 0.65s, and this is the most stable one, The model I had 3 days into the competition gets 0.67 on a fold and 0.62 on another</p>",
              "votes": 3,
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            {
              "id": 2757847,
              "author_name": "HB",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-04-17T18:44:19.893000",
              "content": "<p>Thank you for sharing this valuable information with us😃</p>",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
            },
            {
              "id": 2758205,
              "author_name": "Arun",
              "author_url": "",
              "post_date": "2024-04-18T02:50:01.447000",
              "content": "<p>I am using a normal test and train Split, and yes I did find visible variation in the scores when using different Splits </p>",
              "votes": 0,
              "replies": []
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    "2757753": "I used pre-trained models from 2022 and 2023 data,  score ~ 0.65; without using pre-trained models, the score ~ 0.64.",
    "2757364": "So far my best LB score is 0.66 using only the competition data, I haven't tried any old competitions data yet would update this post once I did, if anyone did could they share what's your best score with and without the previous competitions data?, this info might help the community to push the scores to a better end.",
    "2757663": "My most stable model scores ~0.665 (5 is approx), and this same model trained without the external data scores ~0.655 (again the third digit is approx)",
    "2757595": "I tried pre-training with the data from BirdCLEF 2021-2023, but the improvements were minimal in my case. I'm curious if you've already started ensembling or if it's a single model that got you 66% LB?"
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