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\nWith a public notebook, some took the last 60 medal places in the leaderboard without changing a single line. Did you also copy your math homework from someone else at school instead of learning it? Those who fought hard for the lower scores are now discouraged by it. That's a shame. This is not a science. What do you think?
Please downvote it if you are one of the sixty team. :)
\nComment here if you also have any opinion.
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\nWith a public notebook, some took the last 60 medal places in the leaderboard without changing a single line. Did you also copy your math homework from someone else at school instead of learning it? Those who fought hard for the lower scores are now discouraged by it. That's a shame. This is not a science. What do you think?
Please downvote it if you are one of the sixty team. :)
\nComment here if you also have any opinion.
", "rawMarkdown": "\nWith a public notebook, some took the last 60 medal places in the leaderboard without changing a single line. Did you also copy your math homework from someone else at school instead of learning it? Those who fought hard for the lower scores are now discouraged by it. That's a shame. This is not a science. What do you think?\n\n**Please downvote it if you are one of the sixty team. :)**\n\nComment here if you also have any opinion.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1756295", "postDate": "04/15/2022 11:37:24", "content": "I can understand your point. personally, I don't have a problem with it we still have a month left in the comp, and sharing results has only raised the bar further which makes the competition more fun. maybe instead of sharing the entire code, sharing the insights on a discussion post or making weights private like other people did would have been better.
", "rawMarkdown": "I can understand your point. personally, I don't have a problem with it we still have a month left in the comp, and sharing results has only raised the bar further which makes the competition more fun. maybe instead of sharing the entire code, sharing the insights on a discussion post or making weights private like other people did would have been better.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1756370", "postDate": "04/15/2022 12:54:58", "content": "I don't have a problem with notebook sharing. It really increases competition, helps others learn. The problem is with people. There is a problem with the mentality that people get an advantage by submitting others work. To the detriment of participants who have invested energy to achieve the same result.
\nThis mentality is not worthy of a scientist, even if the rules allow it. Suppose the first place winner of the competition shares a notebook in the middle of the competition. 95 percent of participants would not be able to achieve this result on their own and will not be able to improve on this score. Shouldn’t the first 5 percent, a good portion of whom won’t be able to improve on their point either, be disappointed? And does the organizer pay everyone the first place prize for nothing? It does not improve competition, it does not increase knowledge.
\nThis is a moral problem. You may hate me for that, but someone has to speak up because it happens in several competitions.
", "rawMarkdown": "I don't have a problem with notebook sharing. It really increases competition, helps others learn. The problem is with people. There is a problem with the mentality that people get an advantage by submitting others work. To the detriment of participants who have invested energy to achieve the same result.\n\nThis mentality is not worthy of a scientist, even if the rules allow it. Suppose the first place winner of the competition shares a notebook in the middle of the competition. 95 percent of participants would not be able to achieve this result on their own and will not be able to improve on this score. Shouldn’t the first 5 percent, a good portion of whom won’t be able to improve on their point either, be disappointed? And does the organizer pay everyone the first place prize for nothing? It does not improve competition, it does not increase knowledge.\n\nThis is a moral problem. You may hate me for that, but someone has to speak up because it happens in several competitions.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1756707", "postDate": "04/15/2022 18:53:56", "content": "I understand your frustration about this. But I truly think you can make great use of the high-scoring baseline yourself, just look where you lagged behind and try to make improvements based on that in your own pipeline. you must have already experimented a lot so it would be easier for you to get ahead of all those who just fork and submits in a long run. I don't think 0.71x scores would stand anywhere close to a medal by end of the competition.
\nPs: I wouldn't have supported it if the notebook had some dirty ensemble or bad code, but since the author published a good baseline, I am gonna appreciate him for that.
", "rawMarkdown": "I understand your frustration about this. But I truly think you can make great use of the high-scoring baseline yourself, just look where you lagged behind and try to make improvements based on that in your own pipeline. you must have already experimented a lot so it would be easier for you to get ahead of all those who just fork and submits in a long run. I don't think 0.71x scores would stand anywhere close to a medal by end of the competition.\n\nPs: I wouldn't have supported it if the notebook had some dirty ensemble or bad code, but since the author published a good baseline, I am gonna appreciate him for that.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1757030", "postDate": "04/16/2022 06:55:16", "content": "Calm down Sir, this is only an insignificant competition with a small incentive. The real test lies outside of Kaggle where one's own work is accredited and such copy-paste cases are suitably filtered out.
", "rawMarkdown": "Calm down Sir, this is only an insignificant competition with a small incentive. The real test lies outside of Kaggle where one's own work is accredited and such copy-paste cases are suitably filtered out.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1758053", "postDate": "04/17/2022 09:17:15", "content": "Thank you for your support.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for your support.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1758716", "postDate": "04/18/2022 02:19:05", "content": "I can understand your point. But we have more 1 months to try and improve our scores in this competition. Just running open source code won't get a medal! Calm down and keep trying. Hope you enjoy the competition and have a good result :D
", "rawMarkdown": "I can understand your point. But we have more 1 months to try and improve our scores in this competition. Just running open source code won't get a medal! Calm down and keep trying. Hope you enjoy the competition and have a good result :D", "votes": null }, { "id": "1766576", "postDate": "04/24/2022 16:28:15", "content": "I can understand your frustration, however, I think that trying to improve on your own instead of copying others will make you a better competitor in the long run. Other people have already made great strides in this competition and sharing code isn't going to help you catch up at this point. Keep working hard and learning from your mistakes, and you'll definitely be able to medal by the end!
", "rawMarkdown": "I can understand your frustration, however, I think that trying to improve on your own instead of copying others will make you a better competitor in the long run. Other people have already made great strides in this competition and sharing code isn't going to help you catch up at this point. Keep working hard and learning from your mistakes, and you'll definitely be able to medal by the end!", "votes": null }, { "id": "1777080", "postDate": "05/04/2022 11:46:02", "content": "Although I used the public notebook with 0.71 points, I got 0.74 points with my own knowledge, so, come on!! ^W^
", "rawMarkdown": "Although I used the public notebook with 0.71 points, I got 0.74 points with my own knowledge, so, come on!! ^W^", "votes": null }, { "id": "1778569", "postDate": "05/05/2022 13:02:43", "content": "I also used techniques from the public notebook and then added some new things. I think its a great baseline, but there's many areas for improvement.
", "rawMarkdown": "I also used techniques from the public notebook and then added some new things. I think its a great baseline, but there's many areas for improvement.", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 1756295, "author_name": "mrigendraagrawal", "author_url": "", "post_date": "04/15/2022 11:37:24", "content": "I can understand your point. personally, I don't have a problem with it we still have a month left in the comp, and sharing results has only raised the bar further which makes the competition more fun. maybe instead of sharing the entire code, sharing the insights on a discussion post or making weights private like other people did would have been better.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1756370, "author_name": "ambrusattila", "author_url": "", "post_date": "04/15/2022 12:54:58", "content": "I don't have a problem with notebook sharing. It really increases competition, helps others learn. The problem is with people. There is a problem with the mentality that people get an advantage by submitting others work. To the detriment of participants who have invested energy to achieve the same result.
\nThis mentality is not worthy of a scientist, even if the rules allow it. Suppose the first place winner of the competition shares a notebook in the middle of the competition. 95 percent of participants would not be able to achieve this result on their own and will not be able to improve on this score. Shouldn’t the first 5 percent, a good portion of whom won’t be able to improve on their point either, be disappointed? And does the organizer pay everyone the first place prize for nothing? It does not improve competition, it does not increase knowledge.
\nThis is a moral problem. You may hate me for that, but someone has to speak up because it happens in several competitions.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1757030, "author_name": "ravi20076", "author_url": "", "post_date": "04/16/2022 06:55:16", "content": "Calm down Sir, this is only an insignificant competition with a small incentive. The real test lies outside of Kaggle where one's own work is accredited and such copy-paste cases are suitably filtered out.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1756707, "author_name": "nischaydnk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "04/15/2022 18:53:56", "content": "I understand your frustration about this. But I truly think you can make great use of the high-scoring baseline yourself, just look where you lagged behind and try to make improvements based on that in your own pipeline. you must have already experimented a lot so it would be easier for you to get ahead of all those who just fork and submits in a long run. I don't think 0.71x scores would stand anywhere close to a medal by end of the competition.
\nPs: I wouldn't have supported it if the notebook had some dirty ensemble or bad code, but since the author published a good baseline, I am gonna appreciate him for that.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1758053, "author_name": "kaerunantoka", "author_url": "", "post_date": "04/17/2022 09:17:15", "content": "Thank you for your support.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1758716, "author_name": "yangranran", "author_url": "", "post_date": "04/18/2022 02:19:05", "content": "I can understand your point. But we have more 1 months to try and improve our scores in this competition. Just running open source code won't get a medal! Calm down and keep trying. Hope you enjoy the competition and have a good result :D
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1766576, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "04/24/2022 16:28:15", "content": "I can understand your frustration, however, I think that trying to improve on your own instead of copying others will make you a better competitor in the long run. Other people have already made great strides in this competition and sharing code isn't going to help you catch up at this point. Keep working hard and learning from your mistakes, and you'll definitely be able to medal by the end!
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1777080, "author_name": "yoyobar", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/04/2022 11:46:02", "content": "Although I used the public notebook with 0.71 points, I got 0.74 points with my own knowledge, so, come on!! ^W^
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1778569, "author_name": "vexxingbanana", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/05/2022 13:02:43", "content": "I also used techniques from the public notebook and then added some new things. I think its a great baseline, but there's many areas for improvement.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "1756086": "\nWith a public notebook, some took the last 60 medal places in the leaderboard without changing a single line. Did you also copy your math homework from someone else at school instead of learning it? Those who fought hard for the lower scores are now discouraged by it. That's a shame. This is not a science. What do you think?\n\n**Please downvote it if you are one of the sixty team. :)**\n\nComment here if you also have any opinion.", "1756295": "I can understand your point. personally, I don't have a problem with it we still have a month left in the comp, and sharing results has only raised the bar further which makes the competition more fun. maybe instead of sharing the entire code, sharing the insights on a discussion post or making weights private like other people did would have been better.", "1756370": "I don't have a problem with notebook sharing. It really increases competition, helps others learn. The problem is with people. There is a problem with the mentality that people get an advantage by submitting others work. To the detriment of participants who have invested energy to achieve the same result.\n\nThis mentality is not worthy of a scientist, even if the rules allow it. Suppose the first place winner of the competition shares a notebook in the middle of the competition. 95 percent of participants would not be able to achieve this result on their own and will not be able to improve on this score. Shouldn’t the first 5 percent, a good portion of whom won’t be able to improve on their point either, be disappointed? And does the organizer pay everyone the first place prize for nothing? It does not improve competition, it does not increase knowledge.\n\nThis is a moral problem. You may hate me for that, but someone has to speak up because it happens in several competitions.", "1756707": "I understand your frustration about this. But I truly think you can make great use of the high-scoring baseline yourself, just look where you lagged behind and try to make improvements based on that in your own pipeline. you must have already experimented a lot so it would be easier for you to get ahead of all those who just fork and submits in a long run. I don't think 0.71x scores would stand anywhere close to a medal by end of the competition.\n\nPs: I wouldn't have supported it if the notebook had some dirty ensemble or bad code, but since the author published a good baseline, I am gonna appreciate him for that.", "1757030": "Calm down Sir, this is only an insignificant competition with a small incentive. The real test lies outside of Kaggle where one's own work is accredited and such copy-paste cases are suitably filtered out.", "1758053": "Thank you for your support.", "1758716": "I can understand your point. But we have more 1 months to try and improve our scores in this competition. Just running open source code won't get a medal! Calm down and keep trying. Hope you enjoy the competition and have a good result :D", "1766576": "I can understand your frustration, however, I think that trying to improve on your own instead of copying others will make you a better competitor in the long run. Other people have already made great strides in this competition and sharing code isn't going to help you catch up at this point. Keep working hard and learning from your mistakes, and you'll definitely be able to medal by the end!", "1777080": "Although I used the public notebook with 0.71 points, I got 0.74 points with my own knowledge, so, come on!! ^W^", "1778569": "I also used techniques from the public notebook and then added some new things. I think its a great baseline, but there's many areas for improvement." }, "source": "meta" }