{ "id": 237807, "title": "GMs are coming", "url": "/competitions/birdclef-2021/discussion/237807", "author_name": "", "post_date": "2021-05-10T10:31:36.633231900Z", "votes": 30, "comment_count": 20, "views": 0, "content": "

With three competitions ending today and tomorrow we can expect well known GMs to join this competition this week, including some of my colleagues. I hope 3 weeks is not enough for them to climb the LB to the top…

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With three competitions ending today and tomorrow we can expect well known GMs to join this competition this week, including some of my colleagues. I hope 3 weeks is not enough for them to climb the LB to the top…

", "rawMarkdown": "With three competitions ending today and tomorrow we can expect well known GMs to join this competition this week, including some of my colleagues. I hope 3 weeks is not enough for them to climb the LB to the top...", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300553", "postDate": "05/10/2021 15:00:20", "content": "

With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚

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Some of the Masters are already here.

", "rawMarkdown": "With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚\n\nSome of the Masters are already here.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300567", "postDate": "05/10/2021 15:06:43", "content": "
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With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚

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We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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Some of the Masters are already here.

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I am speaking of competition grandmasters, not competition masters.

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And yes, there are at least two competition GMs in top 10 now, Sefim Seferbekov, and someone else.

", "rawMarkdown": "> With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚\n\nWe will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\n> Some of the Masters are already here.\n\nI am speaking of competition grandmasters, not competition masters.\n\nAnd yes, there are at least two competition GMs in top 10 now, Sefim Seferbekov, and someone else.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300609", "postDate": "05/10/2021 15:31:56", "content": "
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For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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Interesting opinion. Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset? (you don't have to comment on this)

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not competition masters.

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I got the GM part. I did't want to discount the competition masters.

", "rawMarkdown": "> For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\nInteresting opinion. Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset? (you don't have to comment on this)\n\n> not competition masters.\n\nI got the GM part. I did't want to discount the competition masters.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300617", "postDate": "05/10/2021 15:40:01", "content": "
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Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset?

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That's not what I said.

", "rawMarkdown": "> Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset?\n\nThat's not what I said.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300620", "postDate": "05/10/2021 15:41:13", "content": "
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I did't want to discount the competition masters.

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Neither do I. Some are doing great and also did great in previous bird call competitions. My post was not about people currently in the competition.

", "rawMarkdown": "> I did't want to discount the competition masters.\n\nNeither do I. Some are doing great and also did great in previous bird call competitions. My post was not about people currently in the competition.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300725", "postDate": "05/10/2021 16:57:33", "content": "
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I did't want to discount the competition masters.

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That is correct @jy2tong . I was checking the previous Birdclef and the 1st was a comp Master, the second was a Comp Expert and the third too were comp Masters (I think this was just before Theo became a GM). Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!

", "rawMarkdown": "> I did't want to discount the competition masters.\n\nThat is correct @jy2tong . I was checking the previous Birdclef and the 1st was a comp Master, the second was a Comp Expert and the third too were comp Masters (I think this was just before Theo became a GM). Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300977", "postDate": "05/10/2021 21:46:32", "content": "

@cpmpml sorry I read too much/wrongly into what you said. It was before my morning coffee.

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@allohvk I could be overfitting to LB. My models currently have pretty high variance, will be kicked out of gold zone soon.

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Good luck to everyone.

", "rawMarkdown": "cpmpml sorry I read too much/wrongly into what you said. It was before my morning coffee.\n\n@allohvk I could be overfitting to LB. My models currently have pretty high variance, will be kicked out of gold zone soon.\n\nGood luck to everyone.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1300996", "postDate": "05/10/2021 22:03:35", "content": "

@jy2tong You did not over react. My first comment could be read as condescending for masters. I hope it is clear now it was not my intent. Thanks for helping me making it clearer.

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To your point about overfitting, I may also overfit badly. We will know in 3 weeks…

", "rawMarkdown": "jy2tong You did not over react. My first comment could be read as condescending for masters. I hope it is clear now it was not my intent. Thanks for helping me making it clearer.\n\nTo your point about overfitting, I may also overfit badly. We will know in 3 weeks...", "votes": null }, { "id": "1301004", "postDate": "05/10/2021 22:12:46", "content": "
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We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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luckily we have 3 weeks

", "rawMarkdown": "> We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\nluckily we have 3 weeks", "votes": null }, { "id": "1301547", "postDate": "05/11/2021 06:16:23", "content": "
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luckily we have 3 weeks

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Alas ;)

", "rawMarkdown": "> luckily we have 3 weeks\n\nAlas ;)", "votes": null }, { "id": "1302552", "postDate": "05/11/2021 15:37:19", "content": "

Hmm, Houston, we got a problem :D

", "rawMarkdown": "Hmm, Houston, we got a problem :D", "votes": null }, { "id": "1305137", "postDate": "05/13/2021 05:39:46", "content": "

1 week is enough for GMs like you to win prize πŸ˜‚

", "rawMarkdown": "1 week is enough for GMs like you to win prize πŸ˜‚", "votes": null }, { "id": "1305558", "postDate": "05/13/2021 11:13:24", "content": "

I wish you were true but you aren't in this case. I had a 0.75 score after one week (after 3 days actually). It is already out of prize zone… Ofc we should wait for private LB scores before concluding, but I doubt my early submissions would get a prize. I'd be happy if my final submissions get me a prize though ;)

", "rawMarkdown": "I wish you were true but you aren't in this case. I had a 0.75 score after one week (after 3 days actually). It is already out of prize zone... Ofc we should wait for private LB scores before concluding, but I doubt my early submissions would get a prize. I'd be happy if my final submissions get me a prize though ;)", "votes": null }, { "id": "1308687", "postDate": "05/15/2021 11:35:50", "content": "

1st test sub after 8 epochs w/ LB .59, it's a start! My 3rd bird/audio competition so hope that can help this time. And we have mr CPMP in top, glad to see.πŸ‘

", "rawMarkdown": "1st test sub after 8 epochs w/ LB .59, it's a start! My 3rd bird/audio competition so hope that can help this time. And we have mr CPMP in top, glad to see.πŸ‘", "votes": null }, { "id": "1322321", "postDate": "05/25/2021 11:17:53", "content": "

I may regret this a week from now but I could not resist. I was right when I wrote this:

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We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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I doubt this will hold one more week. I expect several teams to achieve 0.80 or better.

", "rawMarkdown": "I may regret this a week from now but I could not resist. I was right when I wrote this:\n\n> We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\nI doubt this will hold one more week. I expect several teams to achieve 0.80 or better.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1322339", "postDate": "05/25/2021 11:37:36", "content": "

Your original statement was correct, though ;)
\nWe are giving our best

", "rawMarkdown": "Your original statement was correct, though ;)\nWe are giving our best", "votes": null }, { "id": "1322370", "postDate": "05/25/2021 12:17:23", "content": "
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We are giving our best

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I know ;)

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And many others are.

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I can't rest…

", "rawMarkdown": "> We are giving our best\n\nI know ;)\n\nAnd many others are. \n\nI can't rest...", "votes": null }, { "id": "1332456", "postDate": "06/02/2021 06:14:20", "content": "

Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!

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congrats @jy2tong for a high silver. The shakeup was a bit unfortunate. Congrats @cpmpml and Dieter! That was quite a comp and quite a shakeup.

", "rawMarkdown": "`Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!`\n\ncongrats @jy2tong for a high silver. The shakeup was a bit unfortunate. Congrats @cpmpml and Dieter! That was quite a comp and quite a shakeup.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1332502", "postDate": "06/02/2021 06:43:47", "content": "

luckily we had 3 weeks πŸ˜‰

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@allohvk Thanks! The shake is a little disappointing indeed. We thought we had a solid validation scheme as with many other teams, but it was not robust enough.

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Nonetheless learned a great deal from the competition and the teammates!

", "rawMarkdown": "allohvk Thanks! The shake is a little disappointing indeed. We thought we had a solid validation scheme as with many other teams, but it was not robust enough. \n\nNonetheless learned a great deal from the competition and the teammates!", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 1300553, "author_name": "jy2tong", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/10/2021 15:00:20", "content": "

With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚

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Some of the Masters are already here.

", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1300567, "author_name": "cpmpml", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/10/2021 15:06:43", "content": "
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With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚

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We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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Some of the Masters are already here.

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I am speaking of competition grandmasters, not competition masters.

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And yes, there are at least two competition GMs in top 10 now, Sefim Seferbekov, and someone else.

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For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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Interesting opinion. Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset? (you don't have to comment on this)

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not competition masters.

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I got the GM part. I did't want to discount the competition masters.

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Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset?

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That's not what I said.

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I did't want to discount the competition masters.

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Neither do I. Some are doing great and also did great in previous bird call competitions. My post was not about people currently in the competition.

", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1300725, "author_name": "allohvk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/10/2021 16:57:33", "content": "
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I did't want to discount the competition masters.

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That is correct @jy2tong . I was checking the previous Birdclef and the 1st was a comp Master, the second was a Comp Expert and the third too were comp Masters (I think this was just before Theo became a GM). Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!

", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1300977, "author_name": "jy2tong", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/10/2021 21:46:32", "content": "

@cpmpml sorry I read too much/wrongly into what you said. It was before my morning coffee.

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@allohvk I could be overfitting to LB. My models currently have pretty high variance, will be kicked out of gold zone soon.

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Good luck to everyone.

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@jy2tong You did not over react. My first comment could be read as condescending for masters. I hope it is clear now it was not my intent. Thanks for helping me making it clearer.

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To your point about overfitting, I may also overfit badly. We will know in 3 weeks…

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We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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luckily we have 3 weeks

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luckily we have 3 weeks

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Alas ;)

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Hmm, Houston, we got a problem :D

", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1322321, "author_name": "cpmpml", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/25/2021 11:17:53", "content": "

I may regret this a week from now but I could not resist. I was right when I wrote this:

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We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.

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I doubt this will hold one more week. I expect several teams to achieve 0.80 or better.

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Your original statement was correct, though ;)
\nWe are giving our best

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We are giving our best

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I know ;)

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And many others are.

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I can't rest…

", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1332456, "author_name": "allohvk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/02/2021 06:14:20", "content": "

Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!

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congrats @jy2tong for a high silver. The shakeup was a bit unfortunate. Congrats @cpmpml and Dieter! That was quite a comp and quite a shakeup.

", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1333476, "author_name": "jy2tong", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/02/2021 18:49:51", "content": "

@allohvk Thanks! The shake is a little disappointing indeed. We thought we had a solid validation scheme as with many other teams, but it was not robust enough.

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Nonetheless learned a great deal from the competition and the teammates!

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1 week is enough for GMs like you to win prize πŸ˜‚

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I wish you were true but you aren't in this case. I had a 0.75 score after one week (after 3 days actually). It is already out of prize zone… Ofc we should wait for private LB scores before concluding, but I doubt my early submissions would get a prize. I'd be happy if my final submissions get me a prize though ;)

", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1308687, "author_name": "kirderf", "author_url": "", "post_date": "05/15/2021 11:35:50", "content": "

1st test sub after 8 epochs w/ LB .59, it's a start! My 3rd bird/audio competition so hope that can help this time. And we have mr CPMP in top, glad to see.πŸ‘

", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1332502, "author_name": "christofhenkel", "author_url": "", "post_date": "06/02/2021 06:43:47", "content": "

luckily we had 3 weeks πŸ˜‰

", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "1300208": "With three competitions ending today and tomorrow we can expect well known GMs to join this competition this week, including some of my colleagues. I hope 3 weeks is not enough for them to climb the LB to the top...", "1300553": "With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚\n\nSome of the Masters are already here.", "1300567": "> With sufficient GPUs/TPUs and past competition experience, two weeks will be enough πŸ˜‚\n\nWe will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\n> Some of the Masters are already here.\n\nI am speaking of competition grandmasters, not competition masters.\n\nAnd yes, there are at least two competition GMs in top 10 now, Sefim Seferbekov, and someone else.", "1300609": "> For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\nInteresting opinion. Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset? (you don't have to comment on this)\n\n> not competition masters.\n\nI got the GM part. I did't want to discount the competition masters.", "1300617": "> Seems like you think the 0.79/0.80 is near maximum of the dataset?\n\nThat's not what I said.", "1300620": "> I did't want to discount the competition masters.\n\nNeither do I. Some are doing great and also did great in previous bird call competitions. My post was not about people currently in the competition.", "1300725": "> I did't want to discount the competition masters.\n\nThat is correct @jy2tong . I was checking the previous Birdclef and the 1st was a comp Master, the second was a Comp Expert and the third too were comp Masters (I think this was just before Theo became a GM). Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!", "1300977": "cpmpml sorry I read too much/wrongly into what you said. It was before my morning coffee.\n\n@allohvk I could be overfitting to LB. My models currently have pretty high variance, will be kicked out of gold zone soon.\n\nGood luck to everyone.", "1300996": "jy2tong You did not over react. My first comment could be read as condescending for masters. I hope it is clear now it was not my intent. Thanks for helping me making it clearer.\n\nTo your point about overfitting, I may also overfit badly. We will know in 3 weeks...", "1301004": "> We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\nluckily we have 3 weeks", "1301547": "> luckily we have 3 weeks\n\nAlas ;)", "1302552": "Hmm, Houston, we got a problem :D", "1305137": "1 week is enough for GMs like you to win prize πŸ˜‚", "1305558": "I wish you were true but you aren't in this case. I had a 0.75 score after one week (after 3 days actually). It is already out of prize zone... Ofc we should wait for private LB scores before concluding, but I doubt my early submissions would get a prize. I'd be happy if my final submissions get me a prize though ;)", "1308687": "1st test sub after 8 epochs w/ LB .59, it's a start! My 3rd bird/audio competition so hope that can help this time. And we have mr CPMP in top, glad to see.πŸ‘", "1322321": "I may regret this a week from now but I could not resist. I was right when I wrote this:\n\n> We will see. For the record I don't think 2 weeks from today will be enough to get a better score than my current score (0.79) for someone entering now.\n\nI doubt this will hold one more week. I expect several teams to achieve 0.80 or better.", "1322339": "Your original statement was correct, though ;)\nWe are giving our best", "1322370": "> We are giving our best\n\nI know ;)\n\nAnd many others are. \n\nI can't rest...", "1332456": "`Anyway point I am making is anything is possible. Why not a comp contributor this time? You are in gold zone already. Go for it. All the best!`\n\ncongrats @jy2tong for a high silver. The shakeup was a bit unfortunate. Congrats @cpmpml and Dieter! That was quite a comp and quite a shakeup.", "1332502": "luckily we had 3 weeks πŸ˜‰", "1333476": "allohvk Thanks! The shake is a little disappointing indeed. We thought we had a solid validation scheme as with many other teams, but it was not robust enough. \n\nNonetheless learned a great deal from the competition and the teammates!" }, "source": "meta" }