Are we allowed to use external data to train our models?
\n\nDo we have to share the external data to all?
\n\nBut how will this be validated?
\n\nWhat if we generate data ourselves (esp. people with knowledge of the language)?
", "messages": [ { "id": "737120", "postDate": "02/04/2020 23:55:04", "content": "Are we allowed to use external data to train our models?
\n\nDo we have to share the external data to all?
\n\nBut how will this be validated?
\n\nWhat if we generate data ourselves (esp. people with knowledge of the language)?
", "rawMarkdown": "Are we allowed to use external data to train our models?\n\nDo we have to share the external data to all?\n\nBut how will this be validated?\n\nWhat if we generate data ourselves (esp. people with knowledge of the language)?", "votes": null }, { "id": "737162", "postDate": "02/05/2020 01:57:44", "content": "Hello, for your question, you can read this Topic regarding the part about external data. Your situation is also similar to some comment there so better check it.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hello, for your question, you can read this Topic regarding the part about external data. Your situation is also similar to some comment there so better check it.", "votes": null }, { "id": "737948", "postDate": "02/06/2020 00:48:29", "content": "Thanks, \nI posted a question there, but still waiting for response.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks, \nI posted a question [there](https://www.kaggle.com/c/bengaliai-cv19/discussion/122396#737174), but still waiting for response.", "votes": null }, { "id": "737991", "postDate": "02/06/2020 02:27:34", "content": "I see. Also, to add, you can check the Rules here. Try finding:\nUnder B. General Competition Rules; 7. Competition Data; C. External Data
\n\n\n", "rawMarkdown": "I see. Also, to add, you can check the Rules here. Try finding:\nUnder **B. General Competition Rules**; **7. Competition Data**; **C. External Data**\n> C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your models and Submissions. However, you will (i) ensure the External Data is available to use by all participants of the competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants and (ii) post such access to the External Data for the participants to the official competition forum prior to the Entry Deadline.", "votes": null }, { "id": "737993", "postDate": "02/06/2020 02:36:44", "content": "C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your models and Submissions. However, you will (i) ensure the External Data is available to use by all participants of the competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants and (ii) post such access to the External Data for the participants to the official competition forum prior to the Entry Deadline.
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Thanks for clarifying @seraphwedd18 . Yes, I understand, I read this too.
\n\nBut, if some native bengali speaker creates more dataset himself/herself and uses this to further train the data but decides not to share, then how will the moderators identify such cases?
\n\nDoesn't this give undue advantage to native bengali speakers compared to others who don't understand the language?
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for clarifying @seraphwedd18 . Yes, I understand, I read this too.\n\nBut, if some native bengali speaker creates more dataset himself/herself and uses this to further train the data but decides not to share, then how will the moderators identify such cases?\n\nDoesn't this give undue advantage to native bengali speakers compared to others who don't understand the language?", "votes": null }, { "id": "738008", "postDate": "02/06/2020 03:30:11", "content": "If they themselves creates additional data then I guess they do have that choice, and they don't need to share it as it is their \"OWN\" work. But still, it is hard to make sure that the created data is unbiased so it isn't necessarily an advantage. But of course, native speakers will have an edge as they have knowledge on the language, just like any other language based competitions.
", "rawMarkdown": "If they themselves creates additional data then I guess they do have that choice, and they don't need to share it as it is their \"OWN\" work. But still, it is hard to make sure that the created data is unbiased so it isn't necessarily an advantage. But of course, native speakers will have an edge as they have knowledge on the language, just like any other language based competitions.", "votes": null }, { "id": "740545", "postDate": "02/09/2020 14:02:30", "content": "Thanks for sharing.... upvoted!!
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for sharing.... upvoted!!", "votes": null }, { "id": "740627", "postDate": "02/09/2020 15:42:21", "content": "Having subject matter expertise to improve one's performance is never an issue, it helps increase competitiveness by ensuring competitors have a fair way of catching up with others.
", "rawMarkdown": "Having subject matter expertise to improve one's performance is never an issue, it helps increase competitiveness by ensuring competitors have a fair way of catching up with others.", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 737162, "author_name": "seraphwedd18", "author_url": "", "post_date": "02/05/2020 01:57:44", "content": "Hello, for your question, you can read this Topic regarding the part about external data. Your situation is also similar to some comment there so better check it.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 737948, "author_name": "rohitagarwal", "author_url": "", "post_date": "02/06/2020 00:48:29", "content": "Thanks, \nI posted a question there, but still waiting for response.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 737991, "author_name": "seraphwedd18", "author_url": "", "post_date": "02/06/2020 02:27:34", "content": "I see. Also, to add, you can check the Rules here. Try finding:\nUnder B. General Competition Rules; 7. Competition Data; C. External Data
\n\n\n", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 737993, "author_name": "rohitagarwal", "author_url": "", "post_date": "02/06/2020 02:36:44", "content": "C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your models and Submissions. However, you will (i) ensure the External Data is available to use by all participants of the competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants and (ii) post such access to the External Data for the participants to the official competition forum prior to the Entry Deadline.
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Thanks for clarifying @seraphwedd18 . Yes, I understand, I read this too.
\n\nBut, if some native bengali speaker creates more dataset himself/herself and uses this to further train the data but decides not to share, then how will the moderators identify such cases?
\n\nDoesn't this give undue advantage to native bengali speakers compared to others who don't understand the language?
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 738008, "author_name": "seraphwedd18", "author_url": "", "post_date": "02/06/2020 03:30:11", "content": "If they themselves creates additional data then I guess they do have that choice, and they don't need to share it as it is their \"OWN\" work. But still, it is hard to make sure that the created data is unbiased so it isn't necessarily an advantage. But of course, native speakers will have an edge as they have knowledge on the language, just like any other language based competitions.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 740627, "author_name": "rohitagarwal", "author_url": "", "post_date": "02/09/2020 15:42:21", "content": "Having subject matter expertise to improve one's performance is never an issue, it helps increase competitiveness by ensuring competitors have a fair way of catching up with others.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 740545, "author_name": "manojkumar96", "author_url": "", "post_date": "02/09/2020 14:02:30", "content": "Thanks for sharing.... upvoted!!
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "737120": "Are we allowed to use external data to train our models?\n\nDo we have to share the external data to all?\n\nBut how will this be validated?\n\nWhat if we generate data ourselves (esp. people with knowledge of the language)?", "737162": "Hello, for your question, you can read this Topic regarding the part about external data. Your situation is also similar to some comment there so better check it.", "737948": "Thanks, \nI posted a question [there](https://www.kaggle.com/c/bengaliai-cv19/discussion/122396#737174), but still waiting for response.", "737991": "I see. Also, to add, you can check the Rules here. Try finding:\nUnder **B. General Competition Rules**; **7. Competition Data**; **C. External Data**\n> C. External Data. You may use data other than the Competition Data (“External Data”) to develop and test your models and Submissions. However, you will (i) ensure the External Data is available to use by all participants of the competition for purposes of the competition at no cost to the other participants and (ii) post such access to the External Data for the participants to the official competition forum prior to the Entry Deadline.", "737993": "Thanks for clarifying @seraphwedd18 . Yes, I understand, I read this too.\n\nBut, if some native bengali speaker creates more dataset himself/herself and uses this to further train the data but decides not to share, then how will the moderators identify such cases?\n\nDoesn't this give undue advantage to native bengali speakers compared to others who don't understand the language?", "738008": "If they themselves creates additional data then I guess they do have that choice, and they don't need to share it as it is their \"OWN\" work. But still, it is hard to make sure that the created data is unbiased so it isn't necessarily an advantage. But of course, native speakers will have an edge as they have knowledge on the language, just like any other language based competitions.", "740545": "Thanks for sharing.... upvoted!!", "740627": "Having subject matter expertise to improve one's performance is never an issue, it helps increase competitiveness by ensuring competitors have a fair way of catching up with others." }, "source": "meta" }