{ "id": 56061, "title": "Russian [ods.ai] guys will smash the (top) LB ?", "url": "/competitions/avito-demand-prediction/discussion/56061", "author_name": "Serigne ", "post_date": "2018-05-05T10:05:27.971000", "votes": 11, "comment_count": 22, "views": 0, "content": "

You guys , beyond being great data scientists, have clearly two big advantages here : The language and very powerful hardware...;)

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I guess we are many here to do not have a clue what the text in titles and descriptions is talking about ...so text processing won't be easy :)

", "messages": [ { "id": 324580, "postDate": "2018-05-07T20:28:51.623Z", "content": "

Besides the language, Russian guys have a secret weapon - the programming language they call \"pee-tohn\". It's extremely powerfull in this kind of competitions.

", "rawMarkdown": "Besides the language, Russian guys have a secret weapon - the programming language they call \"pee-tohn\". It's extremely powerfull in this kind of competitions.", "votes": 9, "replies": [ { "id": 327723, "postDate": "2018-05-12T09:19:42.027Z", "content": "

Who else was spelling \"pee-tohn\" in his mind? You got me with this one. :D

", "rawMarkdown": "Who else was spelling \"pee-tohn\" in his mind? You got me with this one. :D", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 323504, "postDate": "2018-05-05T10:05:27.970Z", "content": "

You guys , beyond being great data scientists, have clearly two big advantages here : The language and very powerful hardware...;)

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I guess we are many here to do not have a clue what the text in titles and descriptions is talking about ...so text processing won't be easy :)

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I hope so ;) BTW I haven't read any description yet. It's very close to Mercari contest as for me. Some stuff from there works pretty good here too.

", "rawMarkdown": "I hope so ;) BTW I haven't read any description yet. It's very close to Mercari contest as for me. Some stuff from there works pretty good here too.", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 323562, "postDate": "2018-05-05T13:51:57.913Z", "content": "

@Sergei

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Good you confirmed it !

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I haven't tried anything yet here ..but I saw indeed some similarities with Mercari after some reading.

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@Serigne

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Comme on dit chez nous : \"Я не могу читать русский\"

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As we say in French : \"Я не могу читать русский\"

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@mezoganet

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En effet, je ne peux pas lire ^^

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Hope knowing Russian will help me as I am going to learn NLP from scratch.

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Me too. I have no background of NLP. I used some modules of NLP without understand what/how does it work

", "rawMarkdown": "Me too. I have no background of NLP. I used some modules of NLP without understand what/how does it work" } ] }, { "id": 324662, "postDate": "2018-05-07T22:02:56.527Z", "content": "

For what it's worth, it doesn't look like the Russian language barrier held back any of the English speakers in previous Avito competitions.

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Nothing is impossible to a willing mind. :)

", "rawMarkdown": "Nothing is impossible to a willing mind. :)", "votes": 4, "replies": [ { "id": 323554, "postDate": "2018-05-05T13:15:33.610Z", "content": "

I know I know...I was not commenting too seriously (there is a bit of second degree joke in my post) :)

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BTW I am too excited with this competition even before entering : too many things to do and to learn (DL, NLP, images processing etc.) and some similarities with the exciting Mercari competition.

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Good luck with the competition! And remember, that Russians also face \"language barrier\" when they take part in competitions with non-russian texts.

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Yes, but the majority here speaks or understand English...

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I do speak French, Spanih, Italian... But Russian is useless in France and United States, unless you want to compete in a Kaggle competition ;-)

", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, but the majority here speaks or understand English...\n\nI do speak French, Spanih, Italian... But Russian is useless in France and United States, unless you want to compete in a Kaggle competition ;-)" }, { "id": 323935, "postDate": "2018-05-06T17:56:38.500Z", "content": "

I'm data agnostic and prefer to think that we already have all we need with char n-grams, word n-grams and all of that amazing DL technics, you know. Some random titles and descriptions make no sence for me.

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Same feeling here. It sounds hard enough already, and also having to translate sounds like a waste of time.... Maybe, if there is an EDA out there somewhere with good translations already (but that's impossible to judge for me ;-))......

", "rawMarkdown": "Same feeling here. It sounds hard enough already, and also having to translate sounds like a waste of time.... Maybe, if there is an EDA out there somewhere with good translations already (but that's impossible to judge for me ;-))......" }, { "id": 324667, "postDate": "2018-05-07T22:04:14.193Z", "content": "

@Sergei what's the theory behind char n-grams? I also saw some people used them in the Mercari competition but I find it confusing. I guess given that Russian has a morphological structure (i.e., different ending suffixes for the same word meaning) it could help normalize that?

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@Peter They are not so powerfull as bpe (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.02187.pdf) but powerfull enough to handle the dataset specific abbreviations, measure units and some morphological stuff. I use them for some kind of models.

", "rawMarkdown": "@Peter They are not so powerfull as bpe (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.02187.pdf) but powerfull enough to handle the dataset specific abbreviations, measure units and some morphological stuff. I use them for some kind of models.", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 327803, "postDate": "2018-05-12T14:36:43.867Z", "content": "

Maybe after a few shots of vodka features engineering becomes easier:-). . ваше здоровье

", "rawMarkdown": "Maybe after a few shots of vodka features engineering becomes easier:-). . ваше здоровье", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 326560, "postDate": "2018-05-09T23:20:10.950Z", "content": "

For people like Michael Jahrer, CPMP, KazAnova, PiuPiu, bestfiting, plantsgo, beluga, Pawel and other grandmasters, even the Martian Language would not be a problem. :-)

", "rawMarkdown": "For people like Michael Jahrer, CPMP, KazAnova, PiuPiu, bestfiting, plantsgo, beluga, Pawel and other grandmasters, even the Martian Language would not be a problem. :-)", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 323912, "postDate": "2018-05-06T16:42:29.483Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true, "replies": [ { "id": 323915, "postDate": "2018-05-06T16:54:10.523Z", "content": "

You will loose your time...

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I’have tried some translation and it was a googleised sentence, ie nonsense.

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If we have to check every single word, competition will be over before we end the job.

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Sounds like an idea for a new competition from Google :)

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Besides the language, Russian guys have a secret weapon - the programming language they call \"pee-tohn\". It's extremely powerfull in this kind of competitions.

", "votes": 9, "replies": [ { "id": 327723, "author_name": "Dieter", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-12T09:19:42.027000", "content": "

Who else was spelling \"pee-tohn\" in his mind? You got me with this one. :D

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 323559, "author_name": "Sergei Fironov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-05T13:38:21.650000", "content": "

I hope so ;) BTW I haven't read any description yet. It's very close to Mercari contest as for me. Some stuff from there works pretty good here too.

", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 323562, "author_name": "Serigne ", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-05T13:51:57.913000", "content": "

@Sergei

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Good you confirmed it !

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I haven't tried anything yet here ..but I saw indeed some similarities with Mercari after some reading.

", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 323799, "author_name": "mezoganet", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-06T08:56:33.610000", "content": "

@Serigne

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Comme on dit chez nous : \"Я не могу читать русский\"

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As we say in French : \"Я не могу читать русский\"

", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 323921, "author_name": "Serigne ", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-06T17:10:22.503000", "content": "

@mezoganet

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En effet, je ne peux pas lire ^^

", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 325830, "author_name": "Araks Stepanyan", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-08T23:36:39.140000", "content": "

Hope knowing Russian will help me as I am going to learn NLP from scratch.

", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 327736, "author_name": "Totoro (ごめん)", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-12T09:54:56.277000", "content": "

Me too. I have no background of NLP. I used some modules of NLP without understand what/how does it work

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 324662, "author_name": "Peter Hurford", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-07T22:02:56.527000", "content": "

For what it's worth, it doesn't look like the Russian language barrier held back any of the English speakers in previous Avito competitions.

", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 323542, "author_name": "Andrey Lukyanenko", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-05T12:41:09.033000", "content": "

Nothing is impossible to a willing mind. :)

", "votes": 4, "replies": [ { "id": 323554, "author_name": "Serigne ", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-05T13:15:33.610000", "content": "

I know I know...I was not commenting too seriously (there is a bit of second degree joke in my post) :)

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BTW I am too excited with this competition even before entering : too many things to do and to learn (DL, NLP, images processing etc.) and some similarities with the exciting Mercari competition.

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 323555, "author_name": "Andrey Lukyanenko", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-05T13:22:49.753000", "content": "

Good luck with the competition! And remember, that Russians also face \"language barrier\" when they take part in competitions with non-russian texts.

", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 323914, "author_name": "mezoganet", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-06T16:46:52.497000", "content": "

Yes, but the majority here speaks or understand English...

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I do speak French, Spanih, Italian... But Russian is useless in France and United States, unless you want to compete in a Kaggle competition ;-)

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 323935, "author_name": "Sergei Fironov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-06T17:56:38.500000", "content": "

I'm data agnostic and prefer to think that we already have all we need with char n-grams, word n-grams and all of that amazing DL technics, you know. Some random titles and descriptions make no sence for me.

", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 324196, "author_name": "Erik Bruin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-07T10:51:26.470000", "content": "

Same feeling here. It sounds hard enough already, and also having to translate sounds like a waste of time.... Maybe, if there is an EDA out there somewhere with good translations already (but that's impossible to judge for me ;-))......

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 324667, "author_name": "Peter Hurford", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-07T22:04:14.193000", "content": "

@Sergei what's the theory behind char n-grams? I also saw some people used them in the Mercari competition but I find it confusing. I guess given that Russian has a morphological structure (i.e., different ending suffixes for the same word meaning) it could help normalize that?

", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 325063, "author_name": "Sergei Fironov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-08T04:39:30.040000", "content": "

@Peter They are not so powerfull as bpe (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.02187.pdf) but powerfull enough to handle the dataset specific abbreviations, measure units and some morphological stuff. I use them for some kind of models.

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 327803, "author_name": "Eric", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-12T14:36:43.867000", "content": "

Maybe after a few shots of vodka features engineering becomes easier:-). . ваше здоровье

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 326560, "author_name": "Marcelo Senaga", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-09T23:20:10.950000", "content": "

For people like Michael Jahrer, CPMP, KazAnova, PiuPiu, bestfiting, plantsgo, beluga, Pawel and other grandmasters, even the Martian Language would not be a problem. :-)

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 323912, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-06T16:42:29.483000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 323915, "author_name": "mezoganet", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-06T16:54:10.523000", "content": "

You will loose your time...

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I’have tried some translation and it was a googleised sentence, ie nonsense.

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If we have to check every single word, competition will be over before we end the job.

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 325812, "author_name": "sanbarus", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2018-05-08T22:15:10.813000", "content": "

Sounds like an idea for a new competition from Google :)

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