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Many teams were removed from the top, and I'd like to know why...\nCongrats @haqishen and the korean team [ka.kr] Save our eyes @pudae81 @yslee04 @youhanlee for the money!
\n\n\n\n\nI don't know why they where removed
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Many teams were removed from the top, and I'd like to know why...\nCongrats @haqishen and the korean team [ka.kr] Save our eyes @pudae81 @yslee04 @youhanlee for the money!
\n\n\n\n\nI don't know why they where removed
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Hey. Kidding is kidding, but the name X5 can not be used casually. It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hey. Kidding is kidding, but the name **X5** can not be used casually. It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623644", "postDate": "09/11/2019 07:07:02", "content": "true but it's funny because if you sum the team members = 5.\n> It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.
\n\nTrue I don't know, but if you didn't do nothing wrong, why would kaggle remove you from the comp if you didn't do nothing wrong? I don't know the reasons, but at the same time I know it's no accident.
", "rawMarkdown": "true but it's funny because if you sum the team members = 5.\n> It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.\n\nTrue I don't know, but if you didn't do nothing wrong, why would kaggle remove you from the comp if you didn't do nothing wrong? I don't know the reasons, but at the same time I know it's no accident.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623647", "postDate": "09/11/2019 07:11:49", "content": "May I ask your one question, Do you know what X5 did before?\nIf you know, you can post it here.
", "rawMarkdown": "May I ask your one question, Do you know what X5 did before?\nIf you know, you can post it here.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623654", "postDate": "09/11/2019 07:17:40", "content": "to be honest nop, and the only reason why I wrote the infamous X5 is because sum(members) = 5, and they were removed for whatever reason. As I said, I don't know why they were removed but I think it's not a coincidence. \nI just tracked the changes from the new/old private LB and did that joke.\nbut yes @garybios the only thing a new about X5 is what you can read at the posts.\n(btw, there are a lot of jokes about this)
", "rawMarkdown": "to be honest nop, and the only reason why I wrote the infamous X5 is because sum(members) = 5, and they were removed for whatever reason. As I said, I don't know why they were removed but I think it's not a coincidence. \nI just tracked the changes from the new/old private LB and did that joke.\nbut yes @garybios the only thing a new about X5 is what you can read at the posts.\n(btw, there are a lot of jokes about this)", "votes": null }, { "id": "623737", "postDate": "09/11/2019 08:52:40", "content": "It's still possible that this is a personal issue where two members of WAIR (previous 2nd place) may not know anything about this. For example, only one of the team created fake account.
\n\nSince this is a sensitive matter, we should be careful on labeling some of our innocent friends. :)
", "rawMarkdown": "It's still possible that this is a **personal issue** where two members of WAIR (previous 2nd place) may not know anything about this. For example, only one of the team created fake account.\n\nSince this is a sensitive matter, we should be careful on labeling some of our innocent friends. :)", "votes": null }, { "id": "623786", "postDate": "09/11/2019 09:51:08", "content": "I don't think it's ethical to tag the people whose teams removed from the LB here as you don't know exactly what happened behind the scene. And even if you do, it's still very unnecessary, no need to bully people off the community, whatever mistake they made I'm sure they paid the price.
", "rawMarkdown": "I don't think it's ethical to tag the people whose teams removed from the LB here as you don't know exactly what happened behind the scene. And even if you do, it's still very unnecessary, no need to bully people off the community, whatever mistake they made I'm sure they paid the price.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623859", "postDate": "09/11/2019 10:57:08", "content": "I didn't mean that.\nI only tracked the changes, and as I said it was a joke just because the sum of members=5.\nI see a lot of jokes about x5 teams and hate against ods.ai and I don't read comments like: \"it's not ethical, no need to bully people\" I think the post is very clear: compare old vs new private LB, and I think there is nothing wrong in pointing the changes.
\n\nFrom my point of view, something weird happened there; the LB changed and I said the changes. I don't blame nobody for those removed teams, I just said which teams where removed or improved. If you think that's a bully actitud you should check posts like this \nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/open-images-2019-instance-segmentation/discussion/105257#latest-623642 , https://www.kaggle.com/c/aptos2019-blindness-detection/discussion/105511#latest-621235
\n\nAnyway, I understand that maybe some people in those teams are victims and respecting those people, I'll take the joke back. Like you said: I'm sure they paid the price.
", "rawMarkdown": "I didn't mean that.\nI only tracked the changes, and as I said it was a joke just because the sum of members=5.\nI see a lot of jokes about x5 teams and hate against ods.ai and I don't read comments like: \"it's not ethical, no need to bully people\" I think the post is very clear: compare old vs new private LB, and I think there is nothing wrong in pointing the changes.\n\nFrom my point of view, something weird happened there; the LB changed and I said the changes. I don't blame nobody for those removed teams, I just said which teams where removed or improved. If you think that's a bully actitud you should check posts like this \nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/open-images-2019-instance-segmentation/discussion/105257#latest-623642 , https://www.kaggle.com/c/aptos2019-blindness-detection/discussion/105511#latest-621235\n\nAnyway, I understand that **maybe** some people in those teams are **victims** and respecting those people, I'll take the joke back. Like you said: *I'm sure they paid the price.*", "votes": null }, { "id": "623874", "postDate": "09/11/2019 11:13:18", "content": "@suicaokhoailang @garybios @ratthachat
\n\nAt the post [Busted]+[Here we go again] Is this cheating? <1h on kaggle and 1 submission with 0.817 scoreby @valanm
\n\nyou can read from @sohier a kaggle admins: We do monitor these threads (as with the competitions forums in general).
\n\nand the following comment:
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I think is not a coincidence that those 2 persons pointed there were removed from the competition.
\n\nEverybody do mistakes, I did a big one at molecular comp and I apologized and explained it. \nI think is legit and very ethical to point out cheaters and immoral behaviour during competitions (ie private sharing, fake accounts...) and that's why I don't think that post, this post and those comments are \"bully\" or \"unnecessary\", and I'll continue doing this as many others in the kaggle community. Feels bad if someone of those teams is a victim, but it doesn't change the fact that something weird/wrong happened.\nAlso I understand that the X5 rule wasn't funny and I removed it.
", "rawMarkdown": "suicaokhoailang @garybios @ratthachat \n\nAt the post [[Busted]+[Here we go again] Is this cheating? <1h on kaggle and 1 submission with 0.817 score](https://www.kaggle.com/c/aptos2019-blindness-detection/discussion/105511#latest-621235)by @valanm \n\nyou can read from @sohier a kaggle admins: *We do monitor these threads (as with the competitions forums in general).*\n\nand the following comment:\n\n\n\nI think is not a coincidence that those 2 persons pointed there were removed from the competition.\n\nEverybody do mistakes, I did a big one at molecular comp and I apologized and explained it. \nI think is legit and very ethical to point out cheaters and immoral behaviour during competitions (ie private sharing, fake accounts...) and that's why I don't think that post, this post and those comments are \"bully\" or \"unnecessary\", and I'll continue doing this as many others in the kaggle community. Feels bad if **someone** of those teams is a victim, but it doesn't change the fact that something weird/wrong happened.\nAlso I understand that the X5 rule wasn't funny and I removed it.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623921", "postDate": "09/11/2019 12:16:12", "content": "I am pretty sure one of the removals is based on unlucky merge, but we probably won't know which is fine. Can be heartbreaking enough for involved persons.
", "rawMarkdown": "I am pretty sure one of the removals is based on unlucky merge, but we probably won't know which is fine. Can be heartbreaking enough for involved persons.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623953", "postDate": "09/11/2019 13:06:41", "content": "Kaggle is just doing anti-cheat silently without any notification.\nIn this case new comers will never know that there's a punishment waiting for them if they cheat . (People tend to feel lucky to do something out of the range without punishment )\nSo IMO some kind of notification is necessary, but not sure in what way it should be. Like, anonymous notification or named notification.
", "rawMarkdown": "Kaggle is just doing anti-cheat silently without any notification.\nIn this case new comers will never know that there's a punishment waiting for them if they cheat . (People tend to feel lucky to do something out of the range without punishment )\nSo IMO some kind of notification is necessary, but not sure in what way it should be. Like, anonymous notification or named notification.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623970", "postDate": "09/11/2019 13:26:50", "content": "Maybe it's better for Kaggle to have a video for every new comer to know all the cases that they'll be removed as cheaters. We don't like X5 because they cheated so obviously but were not punished, they felt not guilty for what they had done.
", "rawMarkdown": "Maybe it's better for Kaggle to have a video for every new comer to know all the cases that they'll be removed as cheaters. We don't like **X5** because they cheated so obviously but were not punished, they felt not guilty for what they had done.", "votes": null }, { "id": "623973", "postDate": "09/11/2019 13:29:39", "content": "If one member of a team cheats then that team will be dropped no matter how innocent other team members might be. It's harsh truth. It may not be fair for them but I think it's fair for other teams in general.
", "rawMarkdown": "If one member of a team cheats then that team will be dropped no matter how innocent other team members might be. It's harsh truth. It may not be fair for them but I think it's fair for other teams in general.", "votes": null }, { "id": "624032", "postDate": "09/11/2019 14:37:12", "content": "Given large majority of cheating come from multiple accounts users and you can read this at first lines of every competition's rules :
\n\n\n\n\nOne account per participant\n You cannot sign up to Kaggle from multiple accounts and therefore you cannot submit from multiple accounts.
\n
So I don't know what Kaggle can do more as notification ...
\n\nBut, as said by @philippsinger, It's heartbreaking for honest kagglers removed because of unlucky merging (It happened to me twice). Particularly those who worked really hard to be in gold medal and/or prize zone.
", "rawMarkdown": "Given large majority of cheating come from multiple accounts users and you can read this at first lines of every competition's rules :\n\n> **One account per participant**\nYou cannot sign up to Kaggle from multiple accounts and therefore you cannot submit from multiple accounts.\n\nSo I don't know what Kaggle can do more as notification ...\n\n\nBut, as said by @philippsinger, It's heartbreaking for honest kagglers removed because of unlucky merging (It happened to me twice). Particularly those who worked really hard to be in gold medal and/or prize zone.", "votes": null }, { "id": "624042", "postDate": "09/11/2019 14:54:12", "content": "@serigne I mean punishment notification in each competition, rather than rule clarification at registration, may be necessary.\nAnd sorry to hear that... Is it happens quite often? that some teams of high ranking get removed.
", "rawMarkdown": "serigne I mean punishment notification in each competition, rather than rule clarification at registration, may be necessary.\nAnd sorry to hear that... Is it happens quite often? that some teams of high ranking get removed.", "votes": null }, { "id": "624043", "postDate": "09/11/2019 14:56:29", "content": "@jionie So this time kaggle shows that they have some technical ways to identify private sharing, which is quite encourageable.
", "rawMarkdown": "jionie So this time kaggle shows that they have some technical ways to identify private sharing, which is quite encourageable.", "votes": null }, { "id": "624044", "postDate": "09/11/2019 14:57:49", "content": "Hey @serigne, what do you mean by \"unlucky merging\"?
", "rawMarkdown": "Hey @serigne, what do you mean by \"unlucky merging\"?", "votes": null }, { "id": "624056", "postDate": "09/11/2019 15:38:16", "content": "@rishabhiitbhu It means you merged with a cheated person sincerely (meaning you didn’t / don’t know that he/she has cheated)
", "rawMarkdown": "rishabhiitbhu It means you merged with a cheated person sincerely (meaning you didn’t / don’t know that he/she has cheated)", "votes": null }, { "id": "624326", "postDate": "09/12/2019 01:42:26", "content": "God , the rank list changed so much , in my memory , two week ago , there should be a lot of guy ranked in the top
", "rawMarkdown": "God , the rank list changed so much , in my memory , two week ago , there should be a lot of guy ranked in the top", "votes": null }, { "id": "625258", "postDate": "09/12/2019 20:42:59", "content": "Before calling X5 cheaters you need to provide evidences for that. So stop doing that :)
", "rawMarkdown": "Before calling X5 cheaters you need to provide evidences for that. So stop doing that :)", "votes": null }, { "id": "625260", "postDate": "09/12/2019 20:53:08", "content": "@kvigly55 I stopped it 2 days ago, and I explained everything in these posts (the x5 was a joke). I'm sorry but I think that comment was unnecessary/late, I almost forgot this post hahaha\nbtw, I apologized via email with one of the kagglers, I really thought he/she was a victim of \"unlucky merging\"
", "rawMarkdown": "kvigly55 I stopped it 2 days ago, and I explained everything in these posts (the *x5* was a joke). I'm sorry but I think that comment was unnecessary/late, I almost forgot this post hahaha\nbtw, I apologized via email with one of the kagglers, I really thought he/she was a victim of \"unlucky merging\"", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 623636, "author_name": "garybios", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 07:01:18", "content": "Hey. Kidding is kidding, but the name X5 can not be used casually. It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 623644, "author_name": "jesucristo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 07:07:02", "content": "true but it's funny because if you sum the team members = 5.\n> It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.
\n\nTrue I don't know, but if you didn't do nothing wrong, why would kaggle remove you from the comp if you didn't do nothing wrong? I don't know the reasons, but at the same time I know it's no accident.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 623647, "author_name": "garybios", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 07:11:49", "content": "May I ask your one question, Do you know what X5 did before?\nIf you know, you can post it here.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 623654, "author_name": "jesucristo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 07:17:40", "content": "to be honest nop, and the only reason why I wrote the infamous X5 is because sum(members) = 5, and they were removed for whatever reason. As I said, I don't know why they were removed but I think it's not a coincidence. \nI just tracked the changes from the new/old private LB and did that joke.\nbut yes @garybios the only thing a new about X5 is what you can read at the posts.\n(btw, there are a lot of jokes about this)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 623737, "author_name": "ratthachat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 08:52:40", "content": "It's still possible that this is a personal issue where two members of WAIR (previous 2nd place) may not know anything about this. For example, only one of the team created fake account.
\n\nSince this is a sensitive matter, we should be careful on labeling some of our innocent friends. :)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 623973, "author_name": "quandapro", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 13:29:39", "content": "If one member of a team cheats then that team will be dropped no matter how innocent other team members might be. It's harsh truth. It may not be fair for them but I think it's fair for other teams in general.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 623786, "author_name": "suicaokhoailang", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 09:51:08", "content": "I don't think it's ethical to tag the people whose teams removed from the LB here as you don't know exactly what happened behind the scene. And even if you do, it's still very unnecessary, no need to bully people off the community, whatever mistake they made I'm sure they paid the price.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 623859, "author_name": "jesucristo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 10:57:08", "content": "I didn't mean that.\nI only tracked the changes, and as I said it was a joke just because the sum of members=5.\nI see a lot of jokes about x5 teams and hate against ods.ai and I don't read comments like: \"it's not ethical, no need to bully people\" I think the post is very clear: compare old vs new private LB, and I think there is nothing wrong in pointing the changes.
\n\nFrom my point of view, something weird happened there; the LB changed and I said the changes. I don't blame nobody for those removed teams, I just said which teams where removed or improved. If you think that's a bully actitud you should check posts like this \nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/open-images-2019-instance-segmentation/discussion/105257#latest-623642 , https://www.kaggle.com/c/aptos2019-blindness-detection/discussion/105511#latest-621235
\n\nAnyway, I understand that maybe some people in those teams are victims and respecting those people, I'll take the joke back. Like you said: I'm sure they paid the price.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 623921, "author_name": "philippsinger", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 12:16:12", "content": "I am pretty sure one of the removals is based on unlucky merge, but we probably won't know which is fine. Can be heartbreaking enough for involved persons.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 623874, "author_name": "jesucristo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 11:13:18", "content": "@suicaokhoailang @garybios @ratthachat
\n\nAt the post [Busted]+[Here we go again] Is this cheating? <1h on kaggle and 1 submission with 0.817 scoreby @valanm
\n\nyou can read from @sohier a kaggle admins: We do monitor these threads (as with the competitions forums in general).
\n\nand the following comment:
\n\n
I think is not a coincidence that those 2 persons pointed there were removed from the competition.
\n\nEverybody do mistakes, I did a big one at molecular comp and I apologized and explained it. \nI think is legit and very ethical to point out cheaters and immoral behaviour during competitions (ie private sharing, fake accounts...) and that's why I don't think that post, this post and those comments are \"bully\" or \"unnecessary\", and I'll continue doing this as many others in the kaggle community. Feels bad if someone of those teams is a victim, but it doesn't change the fact that something weird/wrong happened.\nAlso I understand that the X5 rule wasn't funny and I removed it.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 623953, "author_name": "haqishen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 13:06:41", "content": "Kaggle is just doing anti-cheat silently without any notification.\nIn this case new comers will never know that there's a punishment waiting for them if they cheat . (People tend to feel lucky to do something out of the range without punishment )\nSo IMO some kind of notification is necessary, but not sure in what way it should be. Like, anonymous notification or named notification.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 623970, "author_name": "jionie", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 13:26:50", "content": "Maybe it's better for Kaggle to have a video for every new comer to know all the cases that they'll be removed as cheaters. We don't like X5 because they cheated so obviously but were not punished, they felt not guilty for what they had done.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 624032, "author_name": "serigne", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 14:37:12", "content": "Given large majority of cheating come from multiple accounts users and you can read this at first lines of every competition's rules :
\n\n\n\n\nOne account per participant\n You cannot sign up to Kaggle from multiple accounts and therefore you cannot submit from multiple accounts.
\n
So I don't know what Kaggle can do more as notification ...
\n\nBut, as said by @philippsinger, It's heartbreaking for honest kagglers removed because of unlucky merging (It happened to me twice). Particularly those who worked really hard to be in gold medal and/or prize zone.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 624042, "author_name": "haqishen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 14:54:12", "content": "@serigne I mean punishment notification in each competition, rather than rule clarification at registration, may be necessary.\nAnd sorry to hear that... Is it happens quite often? that some teams of high ranking get removed.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 624043, "author_name": "haqishen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 14:56:29", "content": "@jionie So this time kaggle shows that they have some technical ways to identify private sharing, which is quite encourageable.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 624044, "author_name": "rishabhiitbhu", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 14:57:49", "content": "Hey @serigne, what do you mean by \"unlucky merging\"?
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 624056, "author_name": "ratthachat", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/11/2019 15:38:16", "content": "@rishabhiitbhu It means you merged with a cheated person sincerely (meaning you didn’t / don’t know that he/she has cheated)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 625258, "author_name": "kvigly55", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/12/2019 20:42:59", "content": "Before calling X5 cheaters you need to provide evidences for that. So stop doing that :)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 625260, "author_name": "jesucristo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/12/2019 20:53:08", "content": "@kvigly55 I stopped it 2 days ago, and I explained everything in these posts (the x5 was a joke). I'm sorry but I think that comment was unnecessary/late, I almost forgot this post hahaha\nbtw, I apologized via email with one of the kagglers, I really thought he/she was a victim of \"unlucky merging\"
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 624326, "author_name": "xujingzhao", "author_url": "", "post_date": "09/12/2019 01:42:26", "content": "God , the rank list changed so much , in my memory , two week ago , there should be a lot of guy ranked in the top
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "623619": "Many teams were removed from the top, and I'd like to know why...\nCongrats @haqishen and the korean team **[ka.kr] Save our eyes** @pudae81 @yslee04 @youhanlee for the money!\n\n- **The Zoo** from 12 to 9! well deserved @philippsinger and new GM @dott1718 \n- @artemis874 (old 3rd place) was removed from the comp.\n- @lanjunyelan @dxchen (old 2nd place) was removed form the comp.\n- @huangzihan (old 5th place) was removed.\n\n> I don't know why they where removed\n\n# NEW private LB\n\n\n# OLD private LB\n", "623636": "Hey. Kidding is kidding, but the name **X5** can not be used casually. It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.", "623644": "true but it's funny because if you sum the team members = 5.\n> It is a big problem if you don't know why they were removed.\n\nTrue I don't know, but if you didn't do nothing wrong, why would kaggle remove you from the comp if you didn't do nothing wrong? I don't know the reasons, but at the same time I know it's no accident.", "623647": "May I ask your one question, Do you know what X5 did before?\nIf you know, you can post it here.", "623654": "to be honest nop, and the only reason why I wrote the infamous X5 is because sum(members) = 5, and they were removed for whatever reason. As I said, I don't know why they were removed but I think it's not a coincidence. \nI just tracked the changes from the new/old private LB and did that joke.\nbut yes @garybios the only thing a new about X5 is what you can read at the posts.\n(btw, there are a lot of jokes about this)", "623737": "It's still possible that this is a **personal issue** where two members of WAIR (previous 2nd place) may not know anything about this. For example, only one of the team created fake account.\n\nSince this is a sensitive matter, we should be careful on labeling some of our innocent friends. :)", "623786": "I don't think it's ethical to tag the people whose teams removed from the LB here as you don't know exactly what happened behind the scene. And even if you do, it's still very unnecessary, no need to bully people off the community, whatever mistake they made I'm sure they paid the price.", "623859": "I didn't mean that.\nI only tracked the changes, and as I said it was a joke just because the sum of members=5.\nI see a lot of jokes about x5 teams and hate against ods.ai and I don't read comments like: \"it's not ethical, no need to bully people\" I think the post is very clear: compare old vs new private LB, and I think there is nothing wrong in pointing the changes.\n\nFrom my point of view, something weird happened there; the LB changed and I said the changes. I don't blame nobody for those removed teams, I just said which teams where removed or improved. If you think that's a bully actitud you should check posts like this \nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/open-images-2019-instance-segmentation/discussion/105257#latest-623642 , https://www.kaggle.com/c/aptos2019-blindness-detection/discussion/105511#latest-621235\n\nAnyway, I understand that **maybe** some people in those teams are **victims** and respecting those people, I'll take the joke back. Like you said: *I'm sure they paid the price.*", "623874": "suicaokhoailang @garybios @ratthachat \n\nAt the post [[Busted]+[Here we go again] Is this cheating? <1h on kaggle and 1 submission with 0.817 score](https://www.kaggle.com/c/aptos2019-blindness-detection/discussion/105511#latest-621235)by @valanm \n\nyou can read from @sohier a kaggle admins: *We do monitor these threads (as with the competitions forums in general).*\n\nand the following comment:\n\n\n\nI think is not a coincidence that those 2 persons pointed there were removed from the competition.\n\nEverybody do mistakes, I did a big one at molecular comp and I apologized and explained it. \nI think is legit and very ethical to point out cheaters and immoral behaviour during competitions (ie private sharing, fake accounts...) and that's why I don't think that post, this post and those comments are \"bully\" or \"unnecessary\", and I'll continue doing this as many others in the kaggle community. Feels bad if **someone** of those teams is a victim, but it doesn't change the fact that something weird/wrong happened.\nAlso I understand that the X5 rule wasn't funny and I removed it.", "623921": "I am pretty sure one of the removals is based on unlucky merge, but we probably won't know which is fine. Can be heartbreaking enough for involved persons.", "623953": "Kaggle is just doing anti-cheat silently without any notification.\nIn this case new comers will never know that there's a punishment waiting for them if they cheat . (People tend to feel lucky to do something out of the range without punishment )\nSo IMO some kind of notification is necessary, but not sure in what way it should be. Like, anonymous notification or named notification.", "623970": "Maybe it's better for Kaggle to have a video for every new comer to know all the cases that they'll be removed as cheaters. We don't like **X5** because they cheated so obviously but were not punished, they felt not guilty for what they had done.", "623973": "If one member of a team cheats then that team will be dropped no matter how innocent other team members might be. It's harsh truth. It may not be fair for them but I think it's fair for other teams in general.", "624032": "Given large majority of cheating come from multiple accounts users and you can read this at first lines of every competition's rules :\n\n> **One account per participant**\nYou cannot sign up to Kaggle from multiple accounts and therefore you cannot submit from multiple accounts.\n\nSo I don't know what Kaggle can do more as notification ...\n\n\nBut, as said by @philippsinger, It's heartbreaking for honest kagglers removed because of unlucky merging (It happened to me twice). Particularly those who worked really hard to be in gold medal and/or prize zone.", "624042": "serigne I mean punishment notification in each competition, rather than rule clarification at registration, may be necessary.\nAnd sorry to hear that... Is it happens quite often? that some teams of high ranking get removed.", "624043": "jionie So this time kaggle shows that they have some technical ways to identify private sharing, which is quite encourageable.", "624044": "Hey @serigne, what do you mean by \"unlucky merging\"?", "624056": "rishabhiitbhu It means you merged with a cheated person sincerely (meaning you didn’t / don’t know that he/she has cheated)", "624326": "God , the rank list changed so much , in my memory , two week ago , there should be a lot of guy ranked in the top", "625258": "Before calling X5 cheaters you need to provide evidences for that. So stop doing that :)", "625260": "kvigly55 I stopped it 2 days ago, and I explained everything in these posts (the *x5* was a joke). I'm sorry but I think that comment was unnecessary/late, I almost forgot this post hahaha\nbtw, I apologized via email with one of the kagglers, I really thought he/she was a victim of \"unlucky merging\"" }, "source": "meta" }